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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:43:00 -
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That is all.
But don't expect this thread to stay around very long. It is sure to be quickly moved to "feedback/suggestions" like my last thread. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:46:00 -
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Lol, why you think you can upgrade range on weapons when you max it out.... |
DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:47:00 -
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I like it |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
497
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:48:00 -
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OP, are you bitching about the "stated" numbers of the on-screen gameplay?
Try a sniper rifle. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
207
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:48:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Lol, why you think you can upgrade range on weapons when you max it out....
He never said that.
Point blank Ranges of the AR should be 500 meters from the start regardless of how much SP you spent or what AR you use. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
879
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:50:00 -
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You guys must really like shooting at tiny pixels in the distance. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:56:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:You guys must really like shooting at tiny pixels in the distance.
Either get a bigger TV or sit closer to it.
You are blind if you think a players at 50 meters are tiny pixels. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:57:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:You guys must really like shooting at tiny pixels in the distance.
Scope attachments.
That is all. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
879
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:01:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Knarf Black wrote:You guys must really like shooting at tiny pixels in the distance. Either get a bigger TV or sit closer to it. You are blind if you think a players at 50 meters are tiny pixels.
You said 500 previously (must have been a typo), but I just meant that as a general comment on everybody wanting to shoot from as far away as possible. I prefer to see whites of my enemy's (sometimes nonexistent) eyes when I fight.
Anywho, I'm just glad to see you're butthurt about something other than SP for once. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4909
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:02:00 -
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Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say. |
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Luk Manag
of Terror
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:04:00 -
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Firstly, yes, it is annoying to sight up and let off a few rounds with no hits. The Devs said they know the hard stop doesn't feel right, so they plan to have damage fall off gradually. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:07:00 -
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Use a mass driver, they have massively long range. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
597
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say.
And since we have these huge outposts and maps in Dust you would assume we would have good ranges to go with it.
Seriously though, did the OP mention CoD? Why are you bringing that up? This is Dust. These kind of posts from you are why a lot of people don't take you serious.
Ranges on the weapons in Dust are so bad. |
Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:08:00 -
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If this is the future of weaponry, then I'll be glad to have my primitive 240B laying waste to all the dropsuits up to 1000 meters away from me. And I think an M1A1 would destroy all these tanks in game now. Good luck with your rail gunlogi when an Abrams is circling you at 60 MPH with accurate fire from the main cannon. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:10:00 -
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Damage fall off to be implemented in next major patch.
CCP, you can close this thread, as question has been answered. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say.
? What
What does a really bland tasting fish have to do with the quite simple fact that this game's small arms effective ranges are absolutely pathetic? Also I was unaware that fish had maps. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
879
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:13:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Firstly, yes, it is annoying to sight up and let off a few rounds with no hits. The Devs said they know the hard stop doesn't feel right, so they plan to have damage fall off gradually.
The hard stop is very immersion breaking. It looks weird to see the bullet trails just stop a foot in front of your face.
However, it is kind of a useful tool in battle. When the finally implement proper falloff, your bullets will still connect beyond their max range, but will probably do next to no damage. I foresee this confusing people even more than the hard stop, as they won't be able to determine the max range as easily. (It will be good for stopping shields from recharging, though.)
As usual, CCP has their work cut out for them. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2019
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:14:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:If this is the future of weaponry, then I'll be glad to have my primitive 240B laying waste to all the dropsuits up to 1000 meters away from me. And I think an M1A1 would destroy all these tanks in game now. Good luck with your rail gunlogi when an Abrams is circling you at 60 MPH with accurate fire from the main cannon.
Well all the rail tank needs to do is hit once, then the inside of the Abrams would be... Well quite messy. Plus the gunlogi has shields. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4910
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:15:00 -
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I was just stating that range is not critical for the game to be fun. Trying to be realistic is also not something everyone should be doing either, there is a reason why most combat simulators are not all that popular. Although realism is great for inspiration it shouldn't be the sole reason to balance something because we all know, Real life is effing unfair.
Regardless they are working on something that was announced at fanfest to deal with the whole effective range and optimal range other than having bullets simply disappear. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
497
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:17:00 -
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I'll say it again... it isn't the "stated" range that is important. It's the visual playing range and the relative ranges between the weapons.
If you are happy with the relative ranges are you just saying the maps should be increased by a factor of 10 so that the weapon ranges are more "realistic" or something stupid like that? |
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was just stating that range is not critical for the game to be fun. Trying to be realistic is also not something everyone should be doing either, there is a reason why most combat simulators are not all that popular. Although realism is great for inspiration it shouldn't be the sole reason to balance something because we all know, Real life is effing unfair.
Regardless they are working on something that was announced at fanfest to deal with the whole effective range and optimal range other than having bullets simply disappear.
You're friken kidding me with this right. I can literally throw a baseball further than most of the small arms in dust can shoot. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:20:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Luk Manag wrote:Firstly, yes, it is annoying to sight up and let off a few rounds with no hits. The Devs said they know the hard stop doesn't feel right, so they plan to have damage fall off gradually. The hard stop is very immersion breaking. It looks weird to see the bullet trails just stop a foot in front of your face. However, it is kind of a useful tool in battle. When the finally implement proper falloff, your bullets will still connect beyond their max range, but will probably do next to no damage. I foresee this confusing people even more than the hard stop, as they won't be able to determine the max range as easily. (It will be good for stopping shields from recharging, though.) As usual, CCP has their work cut out for them.
As a counter argument the ARs are plasma weaponary so they don't actually shoot projectials. Super heated plasma would eventually disappear. So their short range makes sense from a lore point of view.
But I don't care about lore. What I do care about is game balance but making the ARs long ranged would make all over weapons inferier. |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:24:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Lol, why you think you can upgrade range on weapons when you max it out....
WTF are you smoking? Sharpshooter for light and heavy weapons is long gone. Sharpshooter skill on the AR and SMG only effect dispersion NOT increased range.
Don't tell me you really never read the skill description for the new sharpshooter skill.
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
879
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:25:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was just stating that range is not critical for the game to be fun. Trying to be realistic is also not something everyone should be doing either, there is a reason why most combat simulators are not all that popular. Although realism is great for inspiration it shouldn't be the sole reason to balance something because we all know, Real life is effing unfair.
Regardless they are working on something that was announced at fanfest to deal with the whole effective range and optimal range other than having bullets simply disappear. You're friken kidding me with this right. I can literally throw a baseball further than most of the small arms in dust can shoot.
How'd you manage that without breaking your TV? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4911
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:25:00 -
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The average adult can only throw a baseball 54 meters.
The average person cannot shoot another person let alone a moving target past 4 meters. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say.
Why are we always talking about CoD?
In terms of map size vehicles and general FPS game play Dust is much closer to battle field 1942 then it is to a brand new CoD title.
And yes in all the BF titles your bullets go very far. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
209
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The average adult can only throw a baseball 54 meters.
The average person cannot shoot another person let alone a moving target past 4 meters.
Are we playing average persons? or are we playing deigned vat grown clones trained in combat?
Also a human running at human speeds is hardly a moving target. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4911
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:30:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say. Why are we always talking about CoD? In terms of map size vehicles and general FPS game play Dust is much closer to battle field 1942 then it is to a brand new CoD title. And yes in all the BF titles your bullets go very far.
Well range adjustments are more of in question to what sort of environment the developers want. I mean if everyone had sniper rifles it could turn out to be a very boring game of dominos as one person giving his position away getting shot by someone else giving his position away. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The average adult can only throw a baseball 54 meters.
The average person cannot shoot another person let alone a moving target past 4 meters.
Dude, you are not helping yourself man. You should just stop. Your starting to make me feel bad for you. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2023
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well considering even the largest of COD maps are not as large as some outposts... I don't know what to say. Why are we always talking about CoD? In terms of map size vehicles and general FPS game play Dust is much closer to battle field 1942 then it is to a brand new CoD title. And yes in all the BF titles your bullets go very far. Well range adjustments are more of in question to what sort of environment the developers want. I mean if everyone had sniper rifles it could turn out to be a very boring game of dominos as one person giving his position away getting shot by someone else giving his position away.
Sniper ghost warrior multiplayer, though that could be pretty good at times, there's something about staring at a patch of green for 2 minutes trying to figure out whether or not a person is there. Makes for a very tense time. |
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