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Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote I have tried to weight up the pros and cons of the FP to justify its effectiveness and ive gotten to the point where its nothing now but a seriously broken noob tube. Take away its splash damage, half its power, make it a light weapon and give it vastly increased fitting requirements, do anything you want with it but fix it so people cant 1 man army with the thing while you shoot them in the face. Far more broke than the TAC ever was. Oh and thukker grenades... yea ill leave this wall of tears for another time.
Templar Renegade119 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:05:00 - [2] - Quote it has 3 shots. how many does it take to kill one person. 2-3. So what his clip can kill 1 person at a time.
Summer-Wolf BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 56	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:10:00 - [3] - Quote what is it with people wanting to nerf everything? we gonna get to the point where we are going to stand in front of each others and shoot and nothing will happen...
Thanos Warpfiend HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp 8	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: what is it with people wanting to nerf everything? we gonna get to the point where we are going to stand in front of each others and shoot and nothing will happen... butthurts QQ if they don't get to roflstomp and want anything they don't use to be useless
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 327	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:14:00 - [5] - Quote So... let me get this straight... what you're asking is that the Flaylock pistol, which has to hit dead on with at least 2 of 3 shots to likely kill anyone... should be................ drum roll..... A Mass Driver? Anyone being John Rambo with a Flaylock deserves props. Try using one. It's hardly the "noob tube" people keep calling it.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2008	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:14:00 - [6] - Quote It one shots scouts. Well some at least.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 397	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: what is it with people wanting to nerf everything? we gonna get to the point where we are going to stand in front of each others and shoot and nothing will happen... That won't happen... once the Nerfing circle finish, we will start the buffing one ... no wonder this game never gets any new content .
Templar Renegade119 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:16:00 - [8] - Quote gbghg wrote: It one shots scouts. Well some at least. you know how hard it is to hit a scout with one. and if u have any ehp whatsoever you can survive 1 hit.
TEBOW BAGGINS GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA 578	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:16:00 - [9] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: what is it with people wanting to nerf everything? . COD kids these days
Chris F2112 187. Unclaimed. 197	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:18:00 - [10] - Quote The flaylock is fine. If anything, a ten percent reduction to shield damage would be fine. But otherwise they are well balanced, and a situational weapon.

CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 370	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:19:00 - [11] - Quote gbghg wrote: It one shots scouts. Well some at least. all 7 of em?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2008	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:21:00 - [12] - Quote Templar Renegade119 wrote: gbghg wrote: It one shots scouts. Well some at least. you know how hard it is to hit a scout with one. and if u have any ehp whatsoever you can survive 1 hit. That's true, but tis annoying.
Aero Yassavi Imperial Resurrection Organization 16	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:21:00 - [13] - Quote Don't confuse someone who is good with the flaylock pistol for the flaylock pistol being too good. Go ahead and try it yourself and come back.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote Actually, I am not calling for a nerf or anything really, but I thought I would clarify.... it is a OHK weapon at advanced level and Prototype level, or did you all forget that there is a something called the sidearm damage mods. Not to mention the splash damage but it is appearing to me that the problem is related to reload speed.... so as far as my nerf suggestion goes... give it an extra 2 seconds to reload.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 146	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote ok ;ets do it this way INLESS YOU USE THE FLAYLOCK, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! now I used the Flaylock and only got it up to Flay Lock operation lv3 and side arm lv2-3 which is the minimum required and I got 2 kills per mag (its a mag not a clip btw, a clip is a stack of bullets inside of a mag) and it was so easy that I think in needs a little nerf, something like what I used should be when I upgrade the skills beyond that not when I get the minimum, also the top guy on the leader boards uses 2x Core flaylocks so I wonder what he's thinking, no 1 chooses a bad gun and gets up that high just a fact.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:26:00 - [16] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: So... let me get this straight... what you're asking is that the Flaylock pistol, which has to hit dead on with at least 2 of 3 shots to likely kill anyone... should be................ drum roll..... A Mass Driver? Anyone being John Rambo with a Flaylock deserves props. Try using one. It's hardly the "noob tube" people keep calling it. Dead on? You can hit anywhere near close to apply full damage, 2-3 shots to kill a full tanked prototype with a side arm, not having to aim for headshots or even body shots. This weapon is OP.
Templar Renegade119 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: ok ;ets do it this way INLESS YOU USE THE FLAYLOCK, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! now I used the Flaylock and only got it up to Flay Lock operation lv3 and side arm lv2-3 which is the minimum required and I got 2 kills per mag (its a mag not a clip btw, a clip is a stack of bullets inside of a mag) and it was so easy that I think in needs a little nerf, something like what I used should be when I upgrade the skills beyond that not when I get the minimum, also the top guy on the leader boards uses 2x Core flaylocks so I wonder what he's thinking, no 1 chooses a bad gun and gets up that high just a fact. EDIT: no mods, strictly a naked suit with guns and uplinks. also it was Ammarr. congrats to him. maybe it's his type of gun and i've used it. it does not need a nerf.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1871	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:44:00 - [18] - Quote it needs higher fitting requirements to be more in line with the other side arms.
TEBOW BAGGINS GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA 578	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:48:00 - [19] - Quote yea thats an excellent flow of logic- lets study the top of the leaderboard and nerf accordingly
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 146	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:50:00 - [20] - Quote Templar Renegade119 wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: ok ;ets do it this way INLESS YOU USE THE FLAYLOCK, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! now I used the Flaylock and only got it up to Flay Lock operation lv3 and side arm lv2-3 which is the minimum required and I got 2 kills per mag (its a mag not a clip btw, a clip is a stack of bullets inside of a mag) and it was so easy that I think in needs a little nerf, something like what I used should be when I upgrade the skills beyond that not when I get the minimum, also the top guy on the leader boards uses 2x Core flaylocks so I wonder what he's thinking, no 1 chooses a bad gun and gets up that high just a fact. EDIT: no mods, strictly a naked suit with guns and uplinks. also it was Ammarr. congrats to him. maybe it's his type of gun and i've used it. it does not need a nerf. can you further go into detail on what you load-out and skill was and other?

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 146	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:53:00 - [21] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: yea thats an excellent flow of logic- lets study the top of the leaderboard and nerf accordingly in all shooter games no 1 plays by the rules or uses balanced weapons to get to the top, in the front page 50% is talented players the other halve are always cheaters less face it. but your probably right, he must have thought the light weapon he gave up for a side arm was better and wanted to play nicer, thanks for your logic. (note sarcasm, thought I would need to tell you that).
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 278	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:55:00 - [22] - Quote Give me the scrambler pistol anyday. Flaylock is annoying because, like the Mass Driver, it feels like the player figthing you with it "doesnt need skill" since it relies on splash. But, one pistol shot to the head solves that problem. If I let a flaylock beat my scrambler pistol, thats on me. Its annoying, and Ill ***** about it to myself, but it wasnt like I didnt have enough time to kill him.
Felix Faraday KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote I can't believe they haven't nerfed this yet. Just watch the kill feed, it's nothing but Flaylock Pistol, Flaylock Pistol, Flaylock Pistol. Oh wait...
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1871	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:57:00 - [24] - Quote CCP needs to increase the fitting requirements of the flaylock, or reduce the fitting requirements on other side arms. It's way to easy to fit a proto flaylock on any suit.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 71	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:02:00 - [25] - Quote yeah, it's frustrating to get killed by this thing. it's a close-medium monster. i also have FP op 5 and can tell you, this is not TAR level of brokenness. you don't see squads of core fps rolling through other teams. it's limitations are enough that i still use an AR for serious work, i still use SMG and SP for sidearms depending on the fit. i think the splash dmg and overall range could be GENTLY walked down. 5%, that's it.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 278	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:07:00 - [26] - Quote Heres the thing, has anyone bitching about the flaylock ever used it? The projectile is a lot harder to aim than hit scan weapons. The slow fire right means any miss puts you at a huge disadvantage. In good hands its deadly, and in bad hands it may lead to a lucky kill or two. But id much rather turn the corner and see a great player using this than using a scrambler pistol.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 878	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:12:00 - [27] - Quote Shockingly, I kind of agree with Protoman. Though I'd much, much rather see the other sidearms get reduced rather than the FP get nerfed. Sidearms should be easy to fit. As far as it being OP, the idea is patently ridiculous. It is not viable without another weapon as backup. Sure you can rain down fire from elevated positions and get easy kills against low eHP dropsuits, but it is mediocre at best in 1v1 situations, and nigh useless when you are outnumbered or your opponents have the high ground. Also, it's one of the few weapons that require leading your target. Taking people out when they are running perpendicular to your position at range takes a lot of skill and/or practice, but is crazy satisfying. (Really, any medium range direct hit against a moving target is both tricky and rewarding.)
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 71	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:13:00 - [28] - Quote i also think the splash radii are wonky throughout the progression. it's too wide at PRO and too narrow at STD. if you look at other side arms, you see a lot of STD, a few ADV, and rarely PRO. with FP it's upside down, mostly Cores and a couple Specialists. the splash is why. the STD splash is too inconsistent. i think something like 1.5, 1.65, and 1.8 would work much better.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:19:00 - [29] - Quote I use it - the specialist serves me well because I run a scout. If there is anything I would agree with its slightly ticking up its fitting requirements. The Specialist is easier to fit than my ZN-28 knives though - to use a flaylock you do have to go higher in the tree than knives, pistols or submachine guns. I really dont understand the QQ though - if you stand still to get hit by three missiles, well thats your fault. Stand infront of an SMG and see how long you last. It has high splash damage but the blast radius is tiny, just jumping negates the damage and netcode / lag is an opponents best friend. Move along - lets buff weapons that need love, implement the other rifles and then see what needs balancing.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 813	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:26:00 - [30] - Quote I use it as my logi weapon. It is not a slayer weapon, it is very situational and a team running just flaylock would not be OP against even the nerfed TAR.



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