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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:09:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Why did it get moved? Seriously...
Welcome to the junkyard. Currently CCP is moving any thead from general discussion, that threatens them, since general discussion is the most traficed forum section, here to the thread junkyard. Just had a thread about the TAR moved over here myself.
So, *sound of many voices shouting at the same time* WELCOME! |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
33
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:10:00 -
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Close this thread its silly if you get rid of contact nades might as well get rid of the MD and FP to make it fair. All three do the same crap. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
230
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:12:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:C Saunders wrote:Why did it get moved? Seriously... Welcome to the junkyard. Currently CCP is moving any thead from general discussion, that threatens them, since general discussion is the most traficed forum section, here to the thread junkyard. Just had a thread abou the TAR moved over here myself. So, *sound of many voices shouting at the same time* WELCOME! Are you ******* serious? A thread with gameplay feedback/suggestions/requests was moved from general to the FEEDBACK/REQUEST FORUM, where it belongs, is a conspiracy to silence the thread? How stupid are you? If they wanted to suppress it like you describe they'd lock and/or delete it, they wouldn't simply PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:37:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:C Saunders wrote:Why did it get moved? Seriously... Welcome to the junkyard. Currently CCP is moving any thead from general discussion, that threatens them, since general discussion is the most traficed forum section, here to the thread junkyard. Just had a thread abou the TAR moved over here myself. So, *sound of many voices shouting at the same time* WELCOME! Are you ******* serious? A thread with gameplay feedback/suggestions/requests was moved from general to the FEEDBACK/REQUEST FORUM, where it belongs, is a conspiracy to silence the thread? How stupid are you? If they wanted to suppress it like you describe they'd lock and/or delete it, they wouldn't simply PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS.
It belongs where we originally put it. So that it can be discussed, not locked away in the dungeon. Do you even grasp the concept of "general discussion". |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:50:00 -
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Maybe its cause the meta game hasnt settled yet.. but I havent died to a fused nade yet, and still havent seen a thukker on the battlefield at all.
Buddy of mine tried the thukker and said he actually prefers the core, the radius on the thukker is really small and hard to hit with. |
xSivartx
Valor Tactical Operations
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:55:00 -
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I like these grenades and think they should remain. 1. It beats using a regular one that takes forever to arm to kill a group. 2. It's faster to clear a spot of remote explosives with than using a flux. 3. Accidentally killing myself on invisible walls puts an extra sense of fear in using them, which I find exhilarating.
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Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
230
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:C Saunders wrote:Why did it get moved? Seriously... Welcome to the junkyard. Currently CCP is moving any thead from general discussion, that threatens them, since general discussion is the most traficed forum section, here to the thread junkyard. Just had a thread abou the TAR moved over here myself. So, *sound of many voices shouting at the same time* WELCOME! Are you ******* serious? A thread with gameplay feedback/suggestions/requests was moved from general to the FEEDBACK/REQUEST FORUM, where it belongs, is a conspiracy to silence the thread? How stupid are you? If they wanted to suppress it like you describe they'd lock and/or delete it, they wouldn't simply PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS. It belongs where we originally put it. So that it can be discussed, not locked away in the dungeon. Do you even grasp the concept of "general discussion". I do, and the OP is not it. The OP is very clearly gameplay feedback and a request. The post was not about discussing the mechanics, it was not about looking for what other people thought about it, it was him saying how he thinks it should be (feedback) and a way to get there (suggestion).
You say this is the junk heap? Those of us that actually give a ****, if we go to the forums at all (due to the overwhelming amount of stupid thst ALL forums contain), are here more than the other sub-boards.
Be GLAD the majority stick to general, since it keeps them for being mistaken for someone with a point, let alone one that should be listened to. Devs are right to not pay attention to it.
The fact that this was moved here and not just locked indicates clearly that they want actual, useful feedback, not just a bunch of Call of Halo rejects whinging.
Again, your post that i quoted is pure stupid. They didn't move it here to be lost, they movec it here to look for actual feedback. If they wanted to suppress it they'd have simply locked or deleted it, not put it in the CORRECT forum forwhat the post IS. |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
134
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:41:00 -
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I doubt they'll be removed, but the damage needs to be reduced. Something along the lines of 200-250 damage for a direct impact. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:43:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:C Saunders wrote:Why did it get moved? Seriously... Welcome to the junkyard. Currently CCP is moving any thead from general discussion, that threatens them, since general discussion is the most traficed forum section, here to the thread junkyard. Just had a thread abou the TAR moved over here myself. So, *sound of many voices shouting at the same time* WELCOME! Are you ******* serious? A thread with gameplay feedback/suggestions/requests was moved from general to the FEEDBACK/REQUEST FORUM, where it belongs, is a conspiracy to silence the thread? How stupid are you? If they wanted to suppress it like you describe they'd lock and/or delete it, they wouldn't simply PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS. It belongs where we originally put it. So that it can be discussed, not locked away in the dungeon. Do you even grasp the concept of "general discussion". I do, and the OP is not it. The OP is very clearly gameplay feedback and a request. The post was not about discussing the mechanics, it was not about looking for what other people thought about it, it was him saying how he thinks it should be (feedback) and a way to get there (suggestion). You say this is the junk heap? Those of us that actually give a ****, if we go to the forums at all (due to the overwhelming amount of stupid thst ALL forums contain), are here more than the other sub-boards. Be GLAD the majority stick to general, since it keeps them for being mistaken for someone with a point, let alone one that should be listened to. Devs are right to not pay attention to it. The fact that this was moved here and not just locked indicates clearly that they want actual, useful feedback, not just a bunch of Call of Halo rejects whinging. Again, your post that i quoted is pure stupid. They didn't move it here to be lost, they movec it here to look for actual feedback. If they wanted to suppress it they'd have simply locked or deleted it, not put it in the CORRECT forum forwhat the post IS.
Dude, you are pure stupid. This forum section is damn near worthless concerning maters such as this. A petition needs high trafic to be effective. End of story.
The thread of mine, about the TAR nerf, that was also moved here, needs discussion, which requires a certain volume of trafic/participation that this section simply does not/cannot provide. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
129
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:29:00 -
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/signed
At almost 800 armor damage it's an instakill on pretty much any armor suit once you remove their shields.
Amazingly bad idea CCP. *golfclap* |
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Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
234
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:32:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
Dude, you are pure stupid. This forum section is damn near worthless concerning maters such as this. A petition needs high trafic to be effective. End of story.
The thread of mine, about the TAR nerf, that was also moved here, needs discussion, which requires a certain volume of trafic/participation that this section simply does not/cannot provide.
Popular vote is how you ruin games, not how you improve them, just look at the original planetside (and most SOE games). What's needed isn't a volume of discussion, but CONSTRUCTIVE discussion.
When a post actually has merit, there's generally quite a bit of discussion on this board. When it doesn't, it's either ignored, ridiculed, or ridiculed and then ignored. This is a good thing, since it results in greater SNR.
As to the TAR, all it needs is some kickback between shots and to be in the sniper progression where it belongs, instead of the AR progression. Otherwise, the weapon is just fine. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4224
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:40:00 -
[42] - Quote
/signed
Alternative would be to just nerf the damage so that they're useful for a quick wounding, and not free kills. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
100
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:07:00 -
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I enjoy the fused locus grenades no matter how many times I get hit with them. They are fun to use and require actually aiming your throw to make them work. My reason for keeping them in game is that if you hit something you weren't aiming at and kill yourself it is still your own fault for killing yourself. I am currently sitting on a pile of them and will continue to use them while I have them. Grenade bouquets for everyone. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
234
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:11:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:I enjoy the fused locus grenades no matter how many times I get hit with them. They are fun to use and require actually aiming your throw to make them work. My reason for keeping them in game is that if you hit something you weren't aiming at and kill yourself it is still your own fault for killing yourself. I am currently sitting on a pile of them and will continue to use them while I have them. Grenade bouquets for everyone. For once something we can agree on
Though i do wish grenade throws felt more natural / predictable; it never feels like the throw goes in the way it seems like it should have. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
304
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:06:00 -
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FLG should stay, though be available for ISK on the market.
Adapt or die. |
Ankoku Daishogun
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:51:00 -
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I support the petition. I noticed one thing, all the players that spammed the tactical assault rifle before the nerf are using contact grenades religiously. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
327
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:58:00 -
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I immediately propose a 1 week ban on anyone requesting a nerf or removal of a weapon/equipment/vehicle.
For F's sake if its something that is kicking your ass, use it and get good.
If its an exploit such as being paired with a modded controller there are exceptions to the rule, but proceed carefully. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
234
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I immediately propose a 1 week ban on anyone requesting a nerf or removal of a weapon/equipment/vehicle.
For F's sake if its something that is kicking your ass, use it and get good.
If its an exploit such as being paired with a modded controller there are exceptions to the rule, but proceed carefully. That's technically not an exploit (it's not a bug, it's the RoF that was set), but otherwise, i agree entirely. Most of these whinges boil down to people that suck, can't/won't adapt, or both. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
268
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:51:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I immediately propose a 1 week ban on anyone requesting a nerf or removal of a weapon/equipment/vehicle.
For F's sake if its something that is kicking your ass, use it and get good.
If its an exploit such as being paired with a modded controller there are exceptions to the rule, but proceed carefully. That's technically not an exploit (it's not a bug, it's the RoF that was set), but otherwise, i agree entirely. Most of these whinges boil down to people that suck, can't/won't adapt, or both.
You wait till everyone is holding those things. You won't be telling people to adapt then. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
306
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:04:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I immediately propose a 1 week ban on anyone requesting a nerf or removal of a weapon/equipment/vehicle.
For F's sake if its something that is kicking your ass, use it and get good.
If its an exploit such as being paired with a modded controller there are exceptions to the rule, but proceed carefully. That's technically not an exploit (it's not a bug, it's the RoF that was set), but otherwise, i agree entirely. Most of these whinges boil down to people that suck, can't/won't adapt, or both. You wait till everyone is holding those things. You won't be telling people to adapt then.
Usage would spike for a while and then settle back down to a more reasonable percentage as everyone who was using them either grew tired of them or moved on to other games.
They aren't as bad as they were before and if you think they are, you obviously weren't here for the sea of FLG that used to be. |
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Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
435
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:20:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:Close this thread its silly if you get rid of contact nades might as well get rid of the MD and FP to make it fair. All three do the same crap.
This^
I don't like contact nades, MD, or the FP either. But they are here, and they are here to stay. They have a purpose, and the fact that they kill us, means they are serving their purpose well.
Were it not for those weapons, some players would be damn near unstoppable. It's good if there is a weapon that you absolutely HATE to face.
These weapons are balanced, guys. They don't have much weapon persistence (exhausted quickly), and are only efficient at very limited ranges, and contact nades are crazy expensive and impractical to field regularly. They also give newbros a better shot at killing veteran cqcers.
Just toughen up, and work out a strategy for dealing with them, or anticipating them.
/not signed |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
435
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:26:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:I enjoy the fused locus grenades no matter how many times I get hit with them. They are fun to use and require actually aiming your throw to make them work. My reason for keeping them in game is that if you hit something you weren't aiming at and kill yourself it is still your own fault for killing yourself. I am currently sitting on a pile of them and will continue to use them while I have them. Grenade bouquets for everyone.
Made me lol |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
104
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:34:00 -
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Ankoku Daishogun wrote:I support the petition. I noticed one thing, all the players that spammed the tactical assault rifle before the nerf are using contact grenades religiously.
Pray to god for a contact grenade? Come on, that's just ridiculous but on the other hand the Tac nerf makes it shoot slower than it should. My finger raps faster than the gun will shoot and sometimes doesn't fire at all when I pull the trigger. Stop with the nerf threads lets fix gameplay not working weapons. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
955
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:18:00 -
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I hope they stay.
Mostly because they're another tactical option.
But I find AV nades far more useful except on forge gun fits. |
Jammer JAMS
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:30:00 -
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Whiners more Whiners yea lets take away all weapons and give every foam darts and bacon canons. That will work for LAV driving whiners that drive into AV grenades. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
139
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:11:00 -
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/signed
Quite possibly CCP's worst idea to date |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:24:00 -
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Or they could be better balanced.
No, lets just remove them from the game entirely... and whine. A lot. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
139
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:42:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Or they could be better balanced.
No, lets just remove them from the game entirely... and whine. A lot.
Armor tanking is already blatantly inferior to shield tanking, then adding an instant detonation grenade that does 600 damage to armor is just the height of stupidity.
Shield suits are faster, yet Flux grenades have a detonation timer. Armor suits are slower, yet contact grenades have no timer. Makes perfect sense.
There's a reason these were removed in Beta, it's because they were a dumbass idea then, and that hasn't changed.
There's no point in swapping to a secondary weapon or being smart about ammo usage(and having to reload if you wasted most of your mag), when you can just say "Screw it" and toss a mortar round at them. Contact grenades are the definition of a Crutch. And they're a crutch that effects 1/4 of the dropsuits far more harshly than the rest. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:17:00 -
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Yeah. I'm still of the opinion that contact grenades can be balanced within this game.
Keyword: balanced |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4248
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Posted - 2013.06.07 20:48:00 -
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These abominations should not exist. |
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