#1. all those numbers are completely off. the smg does 23hp, or 383.33 dps. the assault heavy machine gun does 460dps. a difference of little over 76dps. for all the points and SP you need to skill into HMGs it doesnt sem fair that an smg can basically out gun a heavy machine gun (because you can get more head shots with an smg that dps is virtually doubled. where as with an hmg headshots are only possible against other heavies.)

#2. when you factor in the high dispersion and horrible turn speed of heavies (because if you dnt know you gotta be a heavy to use an hmg) most of you dps is going into the wall. so even the regular hmg at 600dps doesnt mean sqaut with dispersion and turn speed like that.

#3 @ the CP. dude, im not mad at that i mad when caldari scouts with more EHP that a heavy, standing directly in front of me in my stream of bullets with a militia smg killing my heavy. dnt gimme that bs. most of you guys just bunny hop and shield tank. no one should be able to stand directly in front of a heavy machine gun and out gun him with an smg. (spraying and praying with the cross hairs at the head aint skills bro et real)

Hi guys,

We are performing final tests on an update today. As long as all goes well and the game doesn't explode we will be deploying some changes to the TAC as well as fixing the explosives skill that wasnGÇÖt working. The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

CCP Wolfman

... Caldari Scouts?

When is ccp going to address this weapon? There are far too many players either using a mouse or a modded controller (ie something with a turbo button) out there that simply flock to this weapon. With suck mods these guns simply own anyone at any range. I run a heavy with a boundless so when an assault suit pops up from around the corner it should not be instant death for me yet it happens often and this dtar is what they always seem to have.

in the kill feeds all i see are tacs, geks, and glus.

they all need a nerf, starting with the tac. then a nerf on the glu and then gek respectively. they shouldn't be over nerfed.
but they should only be doing the type of damage they do, when someone has damage mods and proficiency sp at max in ARs. they are all way too powerful.

i hope you are also working on the GLU, and GEK, because those are just as dangerous.

... Caldari Scouts?

I think the problem here is that you think 'most' of the people shooting you with these weapons don't already have them maxed?

I would guess that more people have these maxed than not. So working as intended for non Tac AR's I'm afraid dude.

i am getting realy close to wanting to punch some FMs i the face the weapons are ******* broke the HMG does less damage then any weapon tell me how is that possible and use LOGIC

Mass Drivers are suffering from a bug that is making them very difficult to use for long range, numbers wise it should be in theory a good weapon. It may take a code deployment to fix.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

Hi guys,

The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

We are performing final tests on an update today. As long as all goes well and the game doesn't explode we will be deploying some changes to the TAC as well as fixing the explosives skill that wasnGÇÖt working. The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

We are performing final tests on an update today. As long as all goes well and the game doesn't explode we will be deploying some changes to the TAC as well as fixing the explosives skill that wasnGÇÖt working. The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

CCP Wolfman

My fellow wolf is correct, the mass drivers are suffering from a couple of technical issues. The first is a problem with how we check splash damage for partially occluded targets. The second is a client/server de-sync issue for the projectile which is exacerbated in poor network conditions.

We have made fixes for both of those issues internally and have been testing them over the last few days. So far weGÇÖve been getting good results. Unfortunately these fixes are on both the client and the server so they canGÇÖt be easily hotfixed in the same way as the TAC updates weGÇÖre putting out. They will be in the next full update.

CCP Wolfman

There's a third bug, native to all explosives, which causes the rounds to sometimes vanish without detonation. This also happens with all types of grenade and has been confirmed under Uprising as recently as 6/4/2013

Cheers,
Cross

I've been killed more by HMG's than I have any other weapon in the game.

My fellow wolf is correct, the mass drivers are suffering from a couple of technical issues. The first is a problem with how we check splash damage for partially occluded targets. The second is a client/server de-sync issue for the projectile which is exacerbated in poor network conditions.

We have made fixes for both of those issues internally and have been testing them over the last few days. So far weGÇÖve been getting good results. Unfortunately these fixes are on both the client and the server so they canGÇÖt be easily hotfixed in the same way as the TAC updates weGÇÖre putting out. They will be in the next full update.

CCP Wolfman

the std assault heavy machine gun does 13.8 damage per shot and with the horrible dispersion its laughable.

Bro. From one heavy to another: don't use the assault hmg. The Damage is laughable and in no way makes up for the extended range. You'll probably be better off using the standard type or the burst.

I did lawl at the rainbow cannon though.

The HMG is insanely powerful, are you people on crack? I've been killed more by HMG's than I have any other weapon in the game.

I thought the patch was coming out today.