WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

It's funny that so much attention is being paid to impacts on weapon performance now.

Where was this deep concern when Mass Drivers were tossed off a cliff?

You would think that an entire class of slowly firing, difficult to aim weapons that don't actually do any damage would have caught someone's attention by now.

your comparing a standard grade weapon(with longer range and lower damage) to a militia grade sidearm(which has the same damage as a standard grade sidearm) you also have what.... 3x the ammo a drum which means u out dps the smg and your drums last longer which is why u have slower reload...

the reason why i used militia is because you need no skill points in it. there is no militia hmg. you need to be freaking lvl 5 weaponry for that. and 88hp more damager per second, it doesnt make sense.

the smg reloads 3x faster than the hmg so they balance out in dps with regards reload. so yes i have a bigger mag with over heating, but i takes me 8seconds to reload. even at max reload skill, its still 6.8 seconds reload speed.

inaddition the assault does not add much range. its only about 5-10% more range. for a damage drop that big. not worth it.

in the kill feeds all i see are tacs, geks, and glus.

they all need a nerf, starting with the tac. then a nerf on the glu and then gek respectively. they shouldn't be over nerfed.
but they should only be doing the type of damage they do, when someone has damage mods and proficiency sp at max in ARs. they are all way too powerful.

anyone who plays this game will see that. if CCP were to anaylize the kill feeds in every game played between this week and last week alone, they will see that these weapons attain 65-70% of all kills (among small arms). probably more.

if CCP were to post the kills per weapon stats for the past month. among small arms, i guarantee you 67%~77% will be tac, glu, and gek.

something must be done to balance the game out. as a side note, the smallest percentages will be lasers, MD and scrambler pistols.

AHMG has a max range almost on par with an AR but shorter optimum.... regardless why not instead compare the basic HMG to the basic SMG doesnt that then become something like 18dmg@2k RPM to 22.3dmg@1k RPM

Mass Drivers are suffering from a bug that is making them very difficult to use for long range, numbers wise it should be in theory a good weapon. It may take a code deployment to fix.

Mass Drivers are suffering from a bug that is making them very difficult to use for long range, numbers wise it should be in theory a good weapon. It may take a code deployment to fix.

My fellow wolf is correct, the mass drivers are suffering from a couple of technical issues. The first is a problem with how we check splash damage for partially occluded targets. The second is a client/server de-sync issue for the projectile which is exacerbated in poor network conditions.

We have made fixes for both of those issues internally and have been testing them over the last few days. So far weGÇÖve been getting good results. Unfortunately these fixes are on both the client and the server so they canGÇÖt be easily hotfixed in the same way as the TAC updates weGÇÖre putting out. They will be in the next full update.

CCP Wolfman

#1. no. the assault hmg has no where near as much range as an Ar even in chromosome with sharp shooter. trust me ive been play heavy since chromosome. and especially now with the range nerf, all AR has more range than the AHMG.

#2. the dps although substantially different in this case, is still a different situaltion. why? because the HMG in this build is unfortunately a CQC weapon. and with a **** poor turning speed, i cnt hit anything so im my 600dps is just hitting the wall. still it doesnt change the fact that the AHMG is only marginally better than an smg at half the rpm.

Are you factoring the support and area denial functions the weapon had with its old arcing trajectory and larger splash area. Also, don't forget about the nanohive nerf and buffs to shields which neutered the weapon.

the max range of normal ARs is 65-71m(38-42m optimum) while the AHMG was 67-74m(40-45m optimum)

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886

My fellow wolf is correct, the mass drivers are suffering from a couple of technical issues. The first is a problem with how we check splash damage for partially occluded targets. The second is a client/server de-sync issue for the projectile which is exacerbated in poor network conditions.

We have made fixes for both of those issues internally and have been testing them over the last few days. So far weGÇÖve been getting good results. Unfortunately these fixes are on both the client and the server so they canGÇÖt be easily hotfixed in the same way as the TAC updates weGÇÖre putting out. They will be in the next full update.

CCP Wolfman

the smg, does more damage per shot (militia), than even the officer HMG. the officer is 22.5 hp, the militia smg is 23hp. yes, i know the fire rate is havlfed, but why should an hmg need to put out twice as many bullets to do any real damage. the std assault heavy machine gun does 13.8 damage per shot and with the horrible dispersion its laughable.

i feel like i have a rainbow cannon firing glitter instead of a death machnine

Are dust players just dumb? I've notice this trend.. it's is just that the idea of mmo stats and balance confuses them?

21 damage per shot 600rpm is 210 dps

Smg is 24 damage but only 300 rpm so it only does 120dps

The HMG is MUCH better than then SMG don't even I'm so confused by the forums nowadays : (

really? then that must be in theory because in practice the the reg. assault rifle has a better range than the AHMG. why? the effective range on the AHMG is shorter than an AR and the dispersion is much higher that an AR, in addition the damage per shot is much lower so overall, its effective range is on slightly better than a reg. HMG

I think he's mad because I won a gun fight with him using a militia SMG by aiming for his head while behind cover or outrunning his rate of turn.

well how about this get into a ring with me in rl and see how that works for you

However this update with all the positives comes with one negative, recall I said 45% of the 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's just so they can use the TAC's. After this update (or after the damage Nerf of the TAC's update) about 45 or that 75% who spec into AR's will request a skill respec when this is all said and done with.

I would like to say for the record that the Gek-38 AR, Duvolle AR (Not the Tactical one) and just the regular AR (counting Dren and Toxin) are automatics with 60 round mags. Honestly I find them more balanced than the Tactical AR's as well as saying that I find many of the AR's UU (in other-words Underused). People need to understand that the AR's are the most used weapon in any first person shooter. It is true that about 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's, but of that 75%, 45% did because the TAC's were the only liable option to keep up with the meta-game (level 5 AR operations at at least a level 1 AR proficiency).

D legendary you even heard me say I rather be killed by a Gek-38 or just a plain Duvolle before haven't you? Recall in beta, AR's were a good option to use but wasn't always the best option versus now where the TAC's are the solution to everything. Lowering the clip size to 18 bullets would make the "spray and pray" players think twice before shooting now. an increase in dispersion of hip-firing bullets will make to where the TAC's are not the go to weapon for CQC situations. Finally a lower rate of fire from the 789 rpm to hopefully 450 rpm will kill all "spray and pray" tactics along with trigger happy users and killing any use of the modded controller users from trying to make it an automatic weapon.

However this update with all the positives comes with one negative, recall I said 45% of the 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's just so they can use the TAC's. After this update (or after the damage Nerf of the TAC's update) about 45 or that 75% who spec into AR's will request a skill respec when this is all said and done with.

I think he's mad because I won a gun fight with him using a militia SMG by aiming for his head while behind cover or outrunning his rate of turn.

I would like to say for the record that the Gek-38 AR, Duvolle AR (Not the Tactical one) and just the regular AR (counting Dren and Toxin) are automatics with 60 round mags. Honestly I find them more balanced than the Tactical AR's as well as saying that I find many of the AR's UU (in other-words Underused). People need to understand that the AR's are the most used weapon in any first person shooter. It is true that about 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's, but of that 75%, 45% did because the TAC's were the only liable option to keep up with the meta-game (level 5 AR operations at at least a level 1 AR proficiency).

D legendary you even heard me say I rather be killed by a Gek-38 or just a plain Duvolle before haven't you? Recall in beta, AR's were a good option to use but wasn't always the best option versus now where the TAC's are the solution to everything. Lowering the clip size to 18 bullets would make the "spray and pray" players think twice before shooting now. an increase in dispersion of hip-firing bullets will make to where the TAC's are not the go to weapon for CQC situations. Finally a lower rate of fire from the 789 rpm to hopefully 450 rpm will kill all "spray and pray" tactics along with trigger happy users and killing any use of the modded controller users from trying to make it an automatic weapon.

However this update with all the positives comes with one negative, recall I said 45% of the 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's just so they can use the TAC's. After this update (or after the damage Nerf of the TAC's update) about 45 or that 75% who spec into AR's will request a skill respec when this is all said and done with.