DUST Search - Planetside 2 got it right, why can't dust?

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

gbghg wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hbv2BFuSbU

Boom, that is what dropships should be like. Able to stand up to enough AV fire to do their job (and maybe get out), be able to effectively deploy troops and get points for it, and having maps large enough and built in such a way that air transport is a major advantage.

Planetside 2 aircraft are stupid faceroll. At least in the first game you had to Cert into them, but now you can fly any of them as a brand new player, and they made them require no skill at all to pilot to appeal to noobs.

They're also completely useless for anything other than flying over a target and ditching them, and The Enclave is the only outfit that even really uses the damn things.

Guys, please stop making threads about Planetside 2 being a good game. You're embarrassing yourselves.

As someone who got in at the very start of the Tech Test before they even announced the Closed Beta, I have a long developed and well informed opinion of both the game and the team they have developing it.

It's ****, and it's not going to get better.

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gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1992	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:12:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hbv2BFuSbU Boom, that is what dropships should be like. Able to stand up to enough AV fire to do their job (and maybe get out), be able to effectively deploy troops and get points for it, and having maps large enough and built in such a way that air transport is a major advantage.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:19:00 - [2] - Quote gbghg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hbv2BFuSbU Boom, that is what dropships should be like. Able to stand up to enough AV fire to do their job (and maybe get out), be able to effectively deploy troops and get points for it, and having maps large enough and built in such a way that air transport is a major advantage. we only use STD DSes and maybe an ADV Logi DS, I have high expectaition for the additional starter base stats and additional modules to keep a PRO DS in the air (they fixed the tags recently of the vehicles so now we know their tech lv) also we MIGHT be using STD-ADV vehicle modules in some cases such as shield modules, as for core modules I think we got STD-PRO is some cases.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:22:00 - [3] - Quote I also suggested earlier that dropships should be heavy aircraft. Good job bringing up Planetside for a comparison.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:24:00 - [4] - Quote I would like to see an HAA like that but without so much passengers to be real gunship, 1 large turret and 4 small. my second thought on an HAA is a giant fighter where the large turret is fixed in position and fly's like an LAA/ jet (maybe minus the hover mode).
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:24:00 - [5] - Quote Dropships should be SP and ISK free till they can get fixed just like the LAV's are free. Give a free respec to those who have speced into them.
Baldr Grimm OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 36	Posted - 2013.06.03 19:44:00 - [6] - Quote To be fair, Planetside 1 got it right like 10 years ago, too. I was a DS pilot there and they worked great.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 107	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:21:00 - [7] - Quote Baldr Grimm wrote: To be fair, Planetside 1 got it right like 10 years ago, too. I was a DS pilot there and they worked great. There's a bit of a theme going on with Dust. In many aspects where Dust is not a lot of fun you can look at games from 10 years ago for a solution. Annoying lag screwing up aiming? Half-Life/CounterStrike solved that. Getting annoyed by people spawning 2 meter behind you? Battlefield 1942 had that in check. Wondering how to implement aiming on a two stick controller? Halo is from 2001. Can't figure out how to design proper map progression for your class based shooter? Look no further than Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. You've already mentioned Planetside 1 which belongs on this list for a number of reasons. If I was allowed to put games in this list that are only 5 years old (and I'd actually bother to write them down) this would become a wall of text.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 358	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:32:00 - [8] - Quote Dropships need HP buff and flares. That's all. That game looks pretty sick btw
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 770	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:34:00 - [9] - Quote Well if you want to be limited to 1 vehicle every 10 minutes (or whatever it is)...
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote Rynx Sinfar wrote: Well if you want to be limited to 1 vehicle every 10 minutes (or whatever it is)... The point was that planetside 2 has an aerial transport vehicle that does its job, does it well, and rewards its pilot for doing it. Lets leave the spawn mechanics out of it.

Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 389	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote My only annoyance in Planetside 2 is the Galaxy isn't purely VTOL. None of the vehicles are. I want a vehicle that handles like a dropship does in DUST (aka more like a helicopter than an Osprey).
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.06.03 20:47:00 - [12] - Quote yer it is a pretty good game. played some more 2day but felt the full brunt of the bad-ness. spawning ina little buildint thats crowded by 100 other players being shot at by 200 enemy players outside lol while all your own players are dropping bad nades and killing your team
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Dropships need HP buff and flares. That's all. That game looks pretty sick btw well idk, I see the PRO DSes as extraordinarily hard to kill (when they come out) because they will have so much modules they could choose 75% resistance to shields or a ton of azotopic for HP then through 1 afterburner module on and bam, I`m nto saying they need a nerf because I expect stuff but idk if they need a buff considering they are STD and survive pretty well, but their needs to be PRO gear for armor and shields as well. We can expect to figure out the AV arguments soon because they will need to do is give us all the STD-PRO DSes by the end of the year, if they can`t do that then this game will truly be lacking vehicle wise.
Magpie Raven ZionTCD Unclaimed. 219	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:31:00 - [14] - Quote If Planetside 2, Battlefield 3, and EVE Online had a threesome. And the result was Dust 514. It would be the perfect game. Although give Dust enough time and it could get there on its own
The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 30	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:51:00 - [15] - Quote Wow!!!!! There is no way in he_ _ you can even think about flying like that in dust because that forge gunner hiding behind a rock behind you as you try to pick up a squad has shot you once and you are either dead, or one more shot from dead. Props to you guys who are still flying. Since I have stopped I am actually making isk now for the first time in a long long time.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 525	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote The problem is that they made drop ships in this game too good at offense which in turn justified the nerf.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 112	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:53:00 - [17] - Quote It looks like Toy Story graphics wise, but the gameplay they got right...
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 704	Posted - 2013.06.03 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote Dropships don't need more EHP. Here's a post I made discussing it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=894382#post894382
Azri Sarum 843 Boot Camp 24	Posted - 2013.06.03 22:27:00 - [19] - Quote You can't compare the DS in DUST to a Galaxy in PS2. The DUST DS is closer to a liberator in PS2 with a couple extra seats. Less capacity, less hitpoints, more firepower than a proper dropship. I think that is most of the problem right there. If you make a clean division between gunship and dropship then you can have things like a super high hit point drop ship without creating an OP gunship.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 112	Posted - 2013.06.03 22:28:00 - [20] - Quote And you wanna see a good dropship, here is the link to what DUST 514 could of been.

Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2013.06.03 22:38:00 - [21] - Quote I would like to think that once heavy aircraft and gunships comes out they will re purpose the drop ships instead of them trying to pull double duty as team carrier and air support
Golda Go Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:39:00 - [22] - Quote It sure did lOl
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1983	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:45:00 - [23] - Quote gbghg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hbv2BFuSbU Boom, that is what dropships should be like. Able to stand up to enough AV fire to do their job (and maybe get out), be able to effectively deploy troops and get points for it, and having maps large enough and built in such a way that air transport is a major advantage. Planetside 2 aircraft are stupid faceroll. At least in the first game you had to Cert into them, but now you can fly any of them as a brand new player, and they made them require no skill at all to pilot to appeal to noobs. They're also completely useless for anything other than flying over a target and ditching them, and The Enclave is the only outfit that even really uses the damn things. Guys, please stop making threads about Planetside 2 being a good game. You're embarrassing yourselves. As someone who got in at the very start of the Tech Test before they even announced the Closed Beta, I have a long developed and well informed opinion of both the game and the team they have developing it. It's ****, and it's not going to get better.
Golda Go Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:52:00 - [24] - Quote Dropships are useless dude, this game got it right.
Planetside2 FreeonPS4 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:52:00 - [25] - Quote Planetside 2 PS4
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 93	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:53:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: gbghg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hbv2BFuSbU Boom, that is what dropships should be like. Able to stand up to enough AV fire to do their job (and maybe get out), be able to effectively deploy troops and get points for it, and having maps large enough and built in such a way that air transport is a major advantage. Planetside 2 aircraft are stupid faceroll. At least in the first game you had to Cert into them, but now you can fly any of them as a brand new player, and they made them require no skill at all to pilot to appeal to noobs. They're also completely useless for anything other than flying over a target and ditching them, and The Enclave is the only outfit that even really uses the damn things. Guys, please stop making threads about Planetside 2 being a good game. You're embarrassing yourselves. As someone who got in at the very start of the Tech Test before they even announced the Closed Beta, I have a long developed and well informed opinion of both the game and the team they have developing it. It's ****, and it's not going to get better. If I said the same thing about DUST you'd cry at me.


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