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ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:30:00 - [1] - Quote Fact is at least 10% (I am betting a whole lot more with the whole KB/M) of the player base is from Eve and play this game only to support CCP(Contradictory Callous Products) or just need a change of scenery from Eve but wanna remain loyal to CCP(Contradictory Callous Products). At least another 25% (again I bet it's a lot higher % but being modest) feel obligated to play this game because they have already invested in this horrible product in hopes that it will get better. For example, some players played the beta for almost a year or a year to help test the game and help it start off strong. What good did it do to waist real cash on a beta only to have Contradictory Callous Products completely wipe everything you have tested and played and give you a crappy release called Uprising on 5-14 just to get the "cool" release date? (Contradictory) Again they mess up day in day out, they offer 1 respec (which some people still didn't get from what I read) to try to make small player base happy for all the broken crap Contradictory Callous Products have messed up. They manage to mess that easy task up that they have already done once flawlessly by giving everybody double their ISK (In game currency for those who live under rock) than proceed to post on their forums, not in the game they messed up in, just the forums that you have to log in to look at. They strongly advise the player base not to spend the extra ISK or they will go into a negative balance. After all this they allow the player base who attempted to cheat and get forced into negative balance to clean their slate and go back down to 0ISK while being able to keep all assets bought(supposedly they are gonna fix this, I'll believe it when I see it at this point). (Callous) Conclusion- You get 35% (Once again I am sure this is a lot higher but for the sake of being modest we will only say 35%) of a player base who has been screwed over time in time out and are forced to put up with this crap for the sake of being a loyal person to a company who doesn't appreciate Dust514 players as a true customer. We are nothing more than a side project who is giving CCP a little extra cash each day,week, or month in hopes that someday in the very distant future this game might be something. 2 Major reliable game sites have already decapitated this game brutally honest and the other took the professional approach but still owned CCP with honesty. BF manages to make a game that you can play as infantry or in a war machine where Dust struggles to make the game fun and playable on something basic like shooting in a FPS(First Person Shooter) game. (Contradictory Callous Products)
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 166	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:34:00 - [2] - Quote *Crowd Control Productions
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 604	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:46:00 - [3] - Quote You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well...
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:49:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 205	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:50:00 - [5] - Quote I would say at least 50% of the player base is made up of eve players
Jay Omega DIOS X. II 0	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:59:00 - [7] - Quote EvE players & Open Beta Believers.... That is what is left in Dust 514. The EvE players will most likely never leave. The Open Beta Believers, only going to believe for so long, before they stop believing. If you want to know who is who, look at the Server population about 2 weeks before Uprising, Those are the EvE players.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 604	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:01:00 - [8] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read. You're going on about how terrible CCP are, and how there shouldn't be 7k players. Clearly you can't read what I said?
grreen mctree Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:14:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read. You're going on about how terrible CCP are, and how there shouldn't be 7k players. Clearly you can't read what I said? To be fair ccp are terrible and 7k players online playing this mess is pretty amazing.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:15:00 - [10] - Quote Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state.

ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:18:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read. You're going on about how terrible CCP are, and how there shouldn't be 7k players. Clearly you can't read what I said? Well you are accusing me of telling people to stop playing Dust514. If you could read correctly, I don't know how you are getting me telling everybody to stop playing out of what I typed. Perhaps level your reading comprehension up? I was simply stating there is problems with the game and pointing out my opinion on situations why people don't pack up and go to another game. So until you level reading comprehension up in the reading parent tree I suggest you just keep quiet and let the people who can read have a discussion, thanks.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:21:00 - [12] - Quote Bullcrap
Adam Average D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:23:00 - [13] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:24:00 - [14] - Quote grreen mctree wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read. You're going on about how terrible CCP are, and how there shouldn't be 7k players. Clearly you can't read what I said? To be fair ccp are terrible and 7k players online playing this mess is pretty amazing. Isn't going to take long for that numbers to drop to 2000-3000 players. CCP have to take action right now, to keep the already fragile player base. Anyone that leave the game this early in the Official Release, will most likely never come back.
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 646	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:24:00 - [15] - Quote or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:32:00 - [16] - Quote Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree, so why are you wasting your time? I don't include MAG players in my math because they are customers that don't have a biased opinion on CCP products. I wasn't gonna go around and take a poll and say 35% Mag players, 2% Tetris, 9% Socom, ect. Also most of them would probably fall into the % that feel obligated to play this game because they have real cash invested into a game. Nobody is gonna leave a game where they still have cash in boosters, items, or cash currency(Aur) No matter how bad the game is. There are people who enjoy this game no doubt, but there is also a huge% who constantly hate this game. Just because people continue to play it doesn't mean they like it.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:33:00 - [17] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release WoW didn't have a 8 month closed beta and than a 4 month open beta, after the beta process they go out and give you Ultima Online or a completely different game than you have been testing the whole time.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:36:00 - [18] - Quote If CCP was just looking to keep the game mechanics the same and just add better features, graphics, or anything else to the game they should of kept the things that actually worked. The shooting mechanics worked just fine in Chromosome, the hit detection was another issue but every game has lag. Uprising on the other hand is horrible, you shoot people and they aren't even there or taking damage 80% of the time. Don't believe me? Here's the proof watch the whole thing.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:38:00 - [19] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree, so why are you wasting your time? I don't include MAG players in my math because they are customers that don't have a biased opinion on CCP products. I wasn't gonna go around and take a poll and say 35% Mag players, 2% Tetris, 9% Socom, ect. Also most of them would probably fall into the % that feel obligated to play this game because they have real cash invested into a game. Nobody is gonna leave a game where they still have cash in boosters, items, or cash currency(Aur) No matter how bad the game is. There are people who enjoy this game no doubt, but there is also a huge% who constantly hate this game. Just because people continue to play it doesn't mean they like it. It won't be the first time in History that this happen, the difference is; that when other companies have learn from their mistakes, with years of experience making different games. CCP have practically no experience, and they trying to use the same formula that worked "10 YEARS AGO"
Mat Snam Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:42:00 - [20] - Quote This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0

ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:44:00 - [21] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree, so why are you wasting your time? I don't include MAG players in my math because they are customers that don't have a biased opinion on CCP products. I wasn't gonna go around and take a poll and say 35% Mag players, 2% Tetris, 9% Socom, ect. Also most of them would probably fall into the % that feel obligated to play this game because they have real cash invested into a game. Nobody is gonna leave a game where they still have cash in boosters, items, or cash currency(Aur) No matter how bad the game is. There are people who enjoy this game no doubt, but there is also a huge% who constantly hate this game. Just because people continue to play it doesn't mean they like it. It won't be the first time in History that this happen, the difference is; that when other companies have learn from their mistakes, with years of experience making different games. CCP have practically no experience, and they trying to use the same formula that worked "10 YEARS AGO" That's great and I don't expect CCP to know how to make a game properly. They lack experience they aren't ready, bla bla bla. So why did they release the game knowing they aren't ready? This game needs at least one more year of beta in the current road it's heading. I just don't see anything positive happening for quite some time. You kept most people playing this game with the much awaited Planetary Conquest but even that is laggy almost 100% of the time. The public matches work much better. Forcing corporations from different part of the world to compete for hosting the server before the match starts is a joke. Can't there be a server dedicated just for holding PC matches so the matches can be lag free? Ya it's not a big deal right now because it's only 80M but what happens when each PC match costs half a Bil or even maybe a Billion Isk after buying MCC and all kinds of other things that need to be in the district? It just seems like you are getting shot and you are just putting band aids on bullet wounds. Your sight can't go no further than 27M in front of you. You make many decisions without even stopping to think what effects they can have on the game and players in the game.
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 647	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:49:00 - [22] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release WoW didn't have a 8 month closed beta and than a 4 month open beta, after the beta process they go out and give you Ultima Online or a completely different game than you have been testing the whole time. AHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ^^ im laughing because WoW had a very long testing phase and launch was basically a beta because it was so unstable. and look at WoW now its nothing like it was back when it first game out, for example it used to world PvP :P.
Adam Average D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:51:00 - [23] - Quote Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 After watching, that summed up how i feel too.
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 244	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:52:00 - [24] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: ShakeMS wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release WoW didn't have a 8 month closed beta and than a 4 month open beta, after the beta process they go out and give you Ultima Online or a completely different game than you have been testing the whole time. AHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ^^ im laughing because WoW had a very long testing phase and launch was basically a beta because it was so unstable. and look at WoW now its nothing like it was back when it first game out, for example it used to world PvP :P. Absolutely, right. I also played WoW since the beta and I can say that when the game was launched it had a LOT of problems people couldn't imagine right now. The game now is much more polished, balanced and stable nowadays but I personally think it lost something in the process.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 147	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:52:00 - [25] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: this horrible product Youre a f**king joke dude. Stop playing this game if you don-¦t like it and find something better to do than crying over it on this forum.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:54:00 - [26] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: ShakeMS wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release WoW didn't have a 8 month closed beta and than a 4 month open beta, after the beta process they go out and give you Ultima Online or a completely different game than you have been testing the whole time. AHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ^^ im laughing because WoW had a very long testing phase and launch was basically a beta because it was so unstable. and look at WoW now its nothing like it was back when it first game out, for example it used to world PvP :P. Sorry... how can you possible compare WoW with Dust 514 ? WoW wasn't perfect at release, but was a complete MMORPG experience...They where, and they still are, the pioneers of the MMO genre, the ones that started the full thing.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:55:00 - [27] - Quote Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:00:00 - [28] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: ShakeMS wrote: this horrible product Youre a f**king joke dude. Stop playing this game if you don-¦t like it and find something better to do than crying over it on this forum. Grow up
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:08:00 - [29] - Quote ShakeMS wrote: Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO. EDIT- I am pretty sure WoW had more player base than 7k. You guys trying to toss up that Dust514 could be the next WoW is pretty far fetched. I know right ? Dust 514 isn't good enough to compete with "Blacklight: Tango Down", yet the Fanboys think, that Dust 514 is going to be the next WoW...
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:16:00 - [30] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO. EDIT- I am pretty sure WoW had more player base than 7k. You guys trying to toss up that Dust514 could be the next WoW is pretty far fetched. I know right ? Dust 514 isn't good enough to compete with "Blacklight: Tango Down", yet the Fanboys think, that Dust 514 is going to be the next WoW... It just further proves my point yet again. These Eve guys are like ambassadors of CCP. Their job is to come in here and support CCP no matter how god awful this game gets. They will continue to say it's great and throw in insanely dumb things like comparing a game with 7k player base to a game that made MMO world wide famous. I think Ultima Online was the first that got MMOs on the market but no doubt WoW is what made it cool. Ultima Online was good but WoW has just surpassed every bar and set it so high for any MMO. Dust514 is not a MMO. I am slightly becoming more annoyed every time somebody calls it that because they read on the internet that it was a MMO.



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