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ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:30:00 - [1] - Quote Fact is at least 10% (I am betting a whole lot more with the whole KB/M) of the player base is from Eve and play this game only to support CCP(Contradictory Callous Products) or just need a change of scenery from Eve but wanna remain loyal to CCP(Contradictory Callous Products). At least another 25% (again I bet it's a lot higher % but being modest) feel obligated to play this game because they have already invested in this horrible product in hopes that it will get better. For example, some players played the beta for almost a year or a year to help test the game and help it start off strong. What good did it do to waist real cash on a beta only to have Contradictory Callous Products completely wipe everything you have tested and played and give you a crappy release called Uprising on 5-14 just to get the "cool" release date? (Contradictory) Again they mess up day in day out, they offer 1 respec (which some people still didn't get from what I read) to try to make small player base happy for all the broken crap Contradictory Callous Products have messed up. They manage to mess that easy task up that they have already done once flawlessly by giving everybody double their ISK (In game currency for those who live under rock) than proceed to post on their forums, not in the game they messed up in, just the forums that you have to log in to look at. They strongly advise the player base not to spend the extra ISK or they will go into a negative balance. After all this they allow the player base who attempted to cheat and get forced into negative balance to clean their slate and go back down to 0ISK while being able to keep all assets bought(supposedly they are gonna fix this, I'll believe it when I see it at this point). (Callous) Conclusion- You get 35% (Once again I am sure this is a lot higher but for the sake of being modest we will only say 35%) of a player base who has been screwed over time in time out and are forced to put up with this crap for the sake of being a loyal person to a company who doesn't appreciate Dust514 players as a true customer. We are nothing more than a side project who is giving CCP a little extra cash each day,week, or month in hopes that someday in the very distant future this game might be something. 2 Major reliable game sites have already decapitated this game brutally honest and the other took the professional approach but still owned CCP with honesty. BF manages to make a game that you can play as infantry or in a war machine where Dust struggles to make the game fun and playable on something basic like shooting in a FPS(First Person Shooter) game. (Contradictory Callous Products)
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.06.02 08:49:00 - [2] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:15:00 - [3] - Quote Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:18:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You know, if you want to leave, just leave. You don't really need to tell everyone else to leave as well... Clearly you can't read. You're going on about how terrible CCP are, and how there shouldn't be 7k players. Clearly you can't read what I said? Well you are accusing me of telling people to stop playing Dust514. If you could read correctly, I don't know how you are getting me telling everybody to stop playing out of what I typed. Perhaps level your reading comprehension up? I was simply stating there is problems with the game and pointing out my opinion on situations why people don't pack up and go to another game. So until you level reading comprehension up in the reading parent tree I suggest you just keep quiet and let the people who can read have a discussion, thanks.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:32:00 - [5] - Quote Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree, so why are you wasting your time? I don't include MAG players in my math because they are customers that don't have a biased opinion on CCP products. I wasn't gonna go around and take a poll and say 35% Mag players, 2% Tetris, 9% Socom, ect. Also most of them would probably fall into the % that feel obligated to play this game because they have real cash invested into a game. Nobody is gonna leave a game where they still have cash in boosters, items, or cash currency(Aur) No matter how bad the game is. There are people who enjoy this game no doubt, but there is also a huge% who constantly hate this game. Just because people continue to play it doesn't mean they like it.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:33:00 - [6] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: or you know a lot of people do find this game fun, and dont log onto the forums to be told why they cant be having fun playing dust. i admit CCP really really drops the ball quite often at the moment. (Templar event = noone would chose to be cannon fodder iv better things to do with my weekend). that said they have built a game that keeps me logging in everyday the only other game that did that was WoW and i think that was a awful state in its first year of release WoW didn't have a 8 month closed beta and than a 4 month open beta, after the beta process they go out and give you Ultima Online or a completely different game than you have been testing the whole time.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:36:00 - [7] - Quote If CCP was just looking to keep the game mechanics the same and just add better features, graphics, or anything else to the game they should of kept the things that actually worked. The shooting mechanics worked just fine in Chromosome, the hit detection was another issue but every game has lag. Uprising on the other hand is horrible, you shoot people and they aren't even there or taking damage 80% of the time. Don't believe me? Here's the proof watch the whole thing.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:44:00 - [8] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Jay Omega wrote: Lol, honestly I sat though mag and before 2.0 it was amazing. Right now dust is like a story to me, and I wanna see how it turns out. This game is fun and is a nice break from cod or other fps. Maybe your just playing the game wrong and that makes you grumpy. This game has it's moments I will give you that. Just read the thread though man. Watch the reviews. There is so many problems done with this game. When I think of the current state of things I picture CCP scrambling around the office screaming WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?!!?!? The current state of this game is pretty chaotic right now. Which is extremely crazy seeing as the game was just released. We spent all this time testing the game in beta only for them to completely change it and make a brand new game that we haven't tested at all. If anything there should be respec for a few months so we can find all the FOTM (Flavor Of The Month) and get them all nerfed down to where there is complete balance. That is what I would do anyway. Of course I would of done that in the beta state. Some of the player base is actually MAG players. You didn't include them in the percentage. Telling people something is terrible, when they enjoy it, is as hard as it is to tell those who think it is terrible, that it's actually enjoyable. Neither group will ever agree, so why are you wasting your time? I don't include MAG players in my math because they are customers that don't have a biased opinion on CCP products. I wasn't gonna go around and take a poll and say 35% Mag players, 2% Tetris, 9% Socom, ect. Also most of them would probably fall into the % that feel obligated to play this game because they have real cash invested into a game. Nobody is gonna leave a game where they still have cash in boosters, items, or cash currency(Aur) No matter how bad the game is. There are people who enjoy this game no doubt, but there is also a huge% who constantly hate this game. Just because people continue to play it doesn't mean they like it. It won't be the first time in History that this happen, the difference is; that when other companies have learn from their mistakes, with years of experience making different games. CCP have practically no experience, and they trying to use the same formula that worked "10 YEARS AGO" That's great and I don't expect CCP to know how to make a game properly. They lack experience they aren't ready, bla bla bla. So why did they release the game knowing they aren't ready? This game needs at least one more year of beta in the current road it's heading. I just don't see anything positive happening for quite some time. You kept most people playing this game with the much awaited Planetary Conquest but even that is laggy almost 100% of the time. The public matches work much better. Forcing corporations from different part of the world to compete for hosting the server before the match starts is a joke. Can't there be a server dedicated just for holding PC matches so the matches can be lag free? Ya it's not a big deal right now because it's only 80M but what happens when each PC match costs half a Bil or even maybe a Billion Isk after buying MCC and all kinds of other things that need to be in the district? It just seems like you are getting shot and you are just putting band aids on bullet wounds. Your sight can't go no further than 27M in front of you. You make many decisions without even stopping to think what effects they can have on the game and players in the game.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 09:55:00 - [9] - Quote Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:00:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: ShakeMS wrote: this horrible product Youre a f**king joke dude. Stop playing this game if you don-¦t like it and find something better to do than crying over it on this forum. Grow up

ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:16:00 - [11] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO. EDIT- I am pretty sure WoW had more player base than 7k. You guys trying to toss up that Dust514 could be the next WoW is pretty far fetched. I know right ? Dust 514 isn't good enough to compete with "Blacklight: Tango Down", yet the Fanboys think, that Dust 514 is going to be the next WoW... It just further proves my point yet again. These Eve guys are like ambassadors of CCP. Their job is to come in here and support CCP no matter how god awful this game gets. They will continue to say it's great and throw in insanely dumb things like comparing a game with 7k player base to a game that made MMO world wide famous. I think Ultima Online was the first that got MMOs on the market but no doubt WoW is what made it cool. Ultima Online was good but WoW has just surpassed every bar and set it so high for any MMO. Dust514 is not a MMO. I am slightly becoming more annoyed every time somebody calls it that because they read on the internet that it was a MMO.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:18:00 - [12] - Quote I honestly think CCP should get on their knees and be thanking their lucky stars that they have 7k-8k player base right now. They will be blessed with angels on their shoulders to keep this player base by the end of this year at it's current path it's traveling.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:25:00 - [13] - Quote Adam Average wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO. EDIT- I am pretty sure WoW had more player base than 7k. You guys trying to toss up that Dust514 could be the next WoW is pretty far fetched. I know right ? Dust 514 isn't good enough to compete with "Blacklight: Tango Down", yet the Fanboys think, that Dust 514 is going to be the next WoW... It just further proves my point yet again. These Eve guys are like ambassadors of CCP. Their job is to come in here and support CCP no matter how god awful this game gets. They will continue to say it's great and throw in insanely dumb things like comparing a game with 7k player base to a game that made MMO world wide famous. I think Ultima Online was the first that got MMOs on the market but no doubt WoW is what made it cool. Ultima Online was good but WoW has just surpassed every bar and set it so high for any MMO. Dust514 is not a MMO. I am slightly becoming more annoyed every time somebody calls it that because they read on the internet that it was a MMO. MMO stands for massively multiplayer online. If we want to get down to what that exactly means, almost any game with online multiplayer support can be considered an MMO. But generally, the one thing that defines an MMO, is if every player exists in a server or servers, and isn't purely lobby based. Maybe the term needs a change, or we need a new acronym. This is a lobby based shooter. CCP is trying to find some loop hole to make their game sound better than it is. Notice it's pathetic tactics. Tetris, Socom, or even MAG didn't go around pretending and calling itself MMOs. I think MMOs have set the bar that they are open world games with massive players online living in a avatar world (servers) CCP trys to past Dust off as a MMO for the fact that it is a add-on to a MMO (Eve Online)
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:32:00 - [14] - Quote ImpureMort wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Mat Snam wrote: This YT vid explains how I too feel about EVE/DUST. http://youtu.be/TgV6OoAT4q0 This video is my proof. Eve players are biased, out of loyalty for CCP that comes from them playing a game for so long and feeling they have to come over here and try to keep being positive and saying how it has potential how as long as CCP is behind this so will they. They are loyal to CCP and will continue to support Dust because it is not their main game. It is just something they do when they need a break from Eve. The whole I want a game that doesn't end it keeps going forever. How will this game continue to move on if CCP constantly screws up as sure as the sun will come up? In Console there is competition, in CPU they have free run companies aren't making aquarium MMOs right now. Unfortunately for CCP There are quite a few companies that do make PS3-PS4 FPS, 3PS, Massive Online Shooters. None of these have to masquerade as a MMO. I am pretty sure the only reason it is considered a MMO is because it is a "add-on" to a MMO. EDIT- I am pretty sure WoW had more player base than 7k. You guys trying to toss up that Dust514 could be the next WoW is pretty far fetched. I know right ? Dust 514 isn't good enough to compete with "Blacklight: Tango Down", yet the Fanboys think, that Dust 514 is going to be the next WoW... It just further proves my point yet again. These Eve guys are like ambassadors of CCP. Their job is to come in here and support CCP no matter how god awful this game gets. They will continue to say it's great and throw in insanely dumb things like comparing a game with 7k player base to a game that made MMO world wide famous. I think Ultima Online was the first that got MMOs on the market but no doubt WoW is what made it cool. Ultima Online was good but WoW has just surpassed every bar and set it so high for any MMO. Dust514 is not a MMO. I am slightly becoming more annoyed every time somebody calls it that because they read on the internet that it was a MMO. i agree ccp stateing that they were gunna make a mmo rpg fps for ps3 that connects and interacts with the preexisting eve may have been biting off more than they can chew. especially for they're first console fps....they now have 4 different gaming communities critiquing and mocking them. i dunno if they can truly combine all 3 of those aspects and not have it fail in some regards...they cannot perfect the fps and the mmo and the rpg aspects altogether and if they do it is going to take a long while....but console gamers do not has the shelf life for an uninteresting game like pc gamer do. i think allot of what is even keeping the measily 3-8 k player actively in dust. is just purely lack of another serious fps to traverse to. game drought and if ccp does not get the ball rolling in big ways with dust then dust will most likely die out with the start of destiny by bungie and ffxiv by square enix. or shortly afterwards...gamplay ccp fix the gameplay...no more new items and fix whats here Ya once FF14 comes out I am not really sure Dust will go on. Perhaps players will get on AFK farm maybe the occasional PC battle here and there. Eventually though if FF14 has it's **** together somewhat and just has a sense of direction where it's going the Dust community will be cut by another 10-20% (being modest yet again, most likely higher)
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:34:00 - [15] - Quote Khan Hun wrote: I'm confused.. Your whole thread is about two points 1) people only playing dust to support CCP 2) CCP is so awful no one would ever want to support them. To me at least that seems to make about as much sense as a invisible pink elephant. I still cant work out what the end goal or point of your post was. My best guess is you came up with the "CCP(Contradictory Callous Products)" thing and were so pleased with yourself you rushed to post any nonsense just to share your quip with the rest of us. If you want to be critical of the game or CCP say something that is coherent and useful with some suggestions. LMFAO! Have you not been reading the damn thread? Please leave the thread if you can't read I have already posted that.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:43:00 - [16] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Dude I think its time to put the game down for awhile. You have obviously passed that point of anything constructive and have divulged into an end of the world scenario. We get it you DON'T like the game. There are a lot of good games out there, try those. I don't know if you've invested a ton of money or are a former Eve player or what but I think it is time to cut your losses. We have all done it, tried a game that we realized had too many problems. Take a break, leave your char with passive sp or just quit and move on to greener pastures. Maybe in a month the game will be fixed and maybe it will be dead but come back and find out. I am one of those players that is obligated because there's a booster running. Still doesn't mean I can't give a honest opinion for others. Why would I allow other people to fall into this cash quicksand? Any smart review points it out.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.02 10:51:00 - [17] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: I crack the mystery !! Dust 514 is : A Massive Online Chat Room / First Person Shooter. ( MOCFPS ) Pretty much. A % of players admit they only play dust to stay with their friends. They are shooting their gun while visiting with each other.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.02 11:03:00 - [18] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: I crack the mystery !! Dust 514 is : A Massive Online Chat Room / First Person Shooter. ( MOCFPS ) Pretty much. A % of players admit they only play dust to stay with their friends. They are shooting their gun while visiting with each other. Dude... I been desperately trying to explain to people, that Dust 514 is NOT a MMO. But EvE players are blind to the truth. I too have attempted this in a few threads in the past but they always just google Dust514 and CCP has it posted as a MMOFPS. They are too clueless to know what a real MMO is. The fact that a shooter is linked to a MMO slightly doesn't make it a real MMO more like a mmo by association
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.02 11:10:00 - [19] - Quote pew pew youredead wrote: ShakeMS wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Dude I think its time to put the game down for awhile. You have obviously passed that point of anything constructive and have divulged into an end of the world scenario. We get it you DON'T like the game. There are a lot of good games out there, try those. I don't know if you've invested a ton of money or are a former Eve player or what but I think it is time to cut your losses. We have all done it, tried a game that we realized had too many problems. Take a break, leave your char with passive sp or just quit and move on to greener pastures. Maybe in a month the game will be fixed and maybe it will be dead but come back and find out. I am one of those players that is obligated because there's a booster running. Still doesn't mean I can't give a honest opinion for others. Why would I allow other people to fall into this cash quicksand? Any smart review points it out. Seriously? All the mindless ranting because because you have a booster running and dont want to leave? Feck man just quit the game if its that bad . you dont need to splurge your opinioon for 8 pages of whine to pass your opinion as justified, just leave, noone cares about you and your opinion especially that 7k players that logs in everyday..... Go away! Now! SHOOOO!! Pathetic attention *** Go lose more territories. Your forum trolling is nearly as pathetic as your ability to win. It's sad that in a game I hate and have lost interest in I am still better than you and you are passionate as ** about it. Keep the mouth up you'll lose all your districts.