In chromo I had a decent fit with a shotgun and since HMG was nerfed, and TAR is now going to be nerfed and the SR was just weak and the LR has a garbage ADS. I figured I would try the SG again to see how it stands up.

First I tried my scout suit. I got wrecked. One hit and that thing dies, and the ground still kills me as I try to traverse the mountainsides and get caught in the infinite falling loop of the hillsides while chasing down snipers....

So then I tried my Minny medium suit with kin cata for a whopping 7.91 sprint speed. I did better due to more shields but I still ended up getting wrecked. And this is why. Due to the now horrid melee range of the SG, unless I was behind someone all they had to do was backpedal and fire at me. And since I can't sprint and fire at the same time unless I had a corner to jump behind I was dead. It seems silly that a shotgun can't hit someone that is within the little circle on your scanner. You literally have to be right next to them to kill them. At such a close range, the lag and the bad controls and the low FPS really combine to make your life hell as a shotgunner. While all an AR or HMG needs to do is spray and pray.

How to fix SG, add 5-7 meters to optimal range. Make the spread constant while ASD and hip fire. If ADS and hip fire spread is already the same it could of fooled me. Last, raise the ROF. I do not think these changes would make the SG OP.

As a shotgun scout I can only agree with the post. I can also add that point blank shots do no damage most of the time which actually makes the shotgun worse.

I will keep using it though just for the rush and get most of my kills with RE's.

sorry, we dont need one hit kills at 20meters range like in last build. l2p

Though I agree the shotgun needs a smal optimal boost 5-7M may be a bit too much. Its optimal in Chromo was 8, now it is 4. I say start with a small change like 6m and work our way up.

As a shotty scout i don't agree with this. The shotgun imo is fine. It's still a great gun. The only problem with it currently is the times when it doesn't register.

The rof is fine. As well as the range.

sorry, we dont need one hit kills at 20meters range like in last build. l2p

Im a scout with about 13m SP. Standard SG range is currently 4m for 100%. Adv is 5m and Proto is 6m. The main problem here lies in the fact that scouts cannot afford to fit adv and Proto SG on their suit, and are relegated to 4-5m range. I speak from experience here, I have maxed almost all pg/CPU skills, bar sidearm operation lv 5. Currently, I use adv SG and SMG with a CPU enhancer, it offers the best compromise.

However this does not mean I don't want more range on the SG. I personally think there should be a variant with 20% more spread and the current range, and the new standard ranges should be 6, 8 and 10m respectively.

In chromo I had a decent fit with a shotgun and since HMG was nerfed, and TAR is now going to be nerfed and the SR was just weak and the LR has a garbage ADS. I figured I would try the SG again to see how it stands up.

First I tried my scout suit. I got wrecked. One hit and that thing dies, and the ground still kills me as I try to traverse the mountainsides and get caught in the infinite falling loop of the hillsides while chasing down snipers....

So then I tried my Minny medium suit with kin cata for a whopping 7.91 sprint speed. I did better due to more shields but I still ended up getting wrecked. And this is why. Due to the now horrid melee range of the SG, unless I was behind someone all they had to do was backpedal and fire at me. And since I can't sprint and fire at the same time unless I had a corner to jump behind I was dead. It seems silly that a shotgun can't hit someone that is within the little circle on your scanner. You literally have to be right next to them to kill them. At such a close range, the lag and the bad controls and the low FPS really combine to make your life hell as a shotgunner. While all an AR or HMG needs to do is spray and pray.

How to fix SG, add 5-7 meters to optimal range. Make the spread constant while ASD and hip fire. If ADS and hip fire spread is already the same it could of fooled me. Last, raise the ROF. I do not think these changes would make the SG OP.

As a full-time shotgun scout I can say....HTFU....As soon as the controls get a bit more smoothed out SG will be right back where it needs to be. My only complaint is that proficiency gives a ROF bonus and not a damage %. If I can't hit people (aiming issue) neither is very useful, but to be competitive against proto assault/logis I need the damage in one shot not spread out to ruin my surprise. That said, anyone under proto I can pretty much 2 hit kill and Std is a OHK. If you can't manage to get close enough to do that, that's your fault not the weapon's.

TL/DR another person QQing about the loss of SS. HTFU, I'm a shotgun scout and I disagree.

EDIT: also for those people who think the answer is to INCREASE spread. You are dumb. Seriously. If you increase spread it means you don't hit with all the pellets and your total damage goes to BALLS. As in bad. If anything I want a fricken slug shotgun. Increasing the spread is just making it a noob weapon. Kills the std suit but can't put a dent in proto. Just because it's a shotgun doesn't mean you don't have to learn how to aim....(mind you if you have hit detection issues, that's different. It sounds like some of you do have that problem ie the guy who tried to shoot an uplink 4 times. That's NOT an issue with spread. Hit Detection is currently a Known Issue hopefully they'll reduce the impact of this soon)

As a shotty scout i don't agree with this. The shotgun imo is fine. It's still a great gun. The only problem with it currently is the times when it doesn't register.

The rof is fine. As well as the range.

Im a scout with about 13m SP. Standard SG range is currently 4m for 100%. Adv is 5m and Proto is 6m. The main problem here lies in the fact that scouts cannot afford to fit adv and Proto SG on their suit, and are relegated to 4-5m range. I speak from experience here, I have maxed almost all pg/CPU skills, bar sidearm operation lv 5. Currently, I use adv SG and SMG with a CPU enhancer, it offers the best compromise.

However this does not mean I don't want more range on the SG. I personally think there should be a variant with 20% more spread and the current range, and the new standard ranges should be 6, 8 and 10m respectively.

As a full-time shotgun scout I can say....HTFU....As soon as the controls get a bit more smoothed out SG will be right back where it needs to be. My only complaint is that proficiency gives a ROF bonus and not a damage %. If I can't hit people (aiming issue) neither is very useful, but to be competitive against proto assault/logis I need the damage in one shot not spread out to ruin my surprise. That said, anyone under proto I can pretty much 2 hit kill and Std is a OHK. If you can't manage to get close enough to do that, that's your fault not the weapon's.

TL/DR another person QQing about the loss of SS. HTFU, I'm a shotgun scout and I disagree.

EDIT: also for those people who think the answer is to INCREASE spread. You are dumb. Seriously. If you increase spread it means you don't hit with all the pellets and your total damage goes to BALLS. As in bad. If anything I want a fricken slug shotgun. Increasing the spread is just making it a noob weapon. Kills the std suit but can't put a dent in proto. Just because it's a shotgun doesn't mean you don't have to learn how to aim....(mind you if you have hit detection issues, that's different. It sounds like some of you do have that problem ie the guy who tried to shoot an uplink 4 times. That's NOT an issue with spread. Hit Detection is currently a Known Issue hopefully they'll reduce the impact of this soon)