I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.

Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails).

I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff.

I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical.

And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance

I copied this into my iPods notes a few days ago, it says range will also get reduced as well if I read it right...



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We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time.
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Can you give a little more info on your experience with the full auto SCR? I too am looking for something to use when I am not shotgunning.I am not a huge fan of the lower semi auto SCR but the auto one sounds kinda useful.

It's weak. Need a damage buff.

It shines against Caldari shield tanks only. But it has a huge clip (72) and a slightly slower ROF meaning you can fire for longer without having to reload. That, plus the dot sight makes is a great cqc to short range weapon. It's terrible range means that what feels like medium range (which is considered long in this game) is to far out and you must push forward to engage.

Oh noes! They're turning off easy mode? Whatever will you do?

I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.

I copied this into my iPods notes a few days ago, it says range will also get reduced as well if I read it right...



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#27Posted: 2013.05.28 02:48 | Report
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We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time.
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Edit: sorry I don't have a link.

I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.

What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given.

Tbh, I just want to play this game when it is done. Hopefully then it will have been done right. If not I can then move on. The only reason I still play is in the hope CCP will get it right eventually. Although not sure how long that will take.

Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.

Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?

Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?

Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay

Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.

Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?

Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?

Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay

What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given.

Right? I'd love to know how one skills into just the tactical rifles and how decreased clip size and increased hip fire spread will make the weapon useless when used as intended.

There's a difference between a nerf and a tweak. I can't believe I still have to explain that.

I don't want to use the regular AR.

I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.

Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.

Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?

Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?

Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay

I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.

The TAC has its own skill category?

it wasn't the gun that was broken.

it was the players getting killed by it.

the only way they could avoid that is to WFMN

now they got em.


what's next ladies?
the glu or the flaylock?


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I also am worried about not getting another respec while CCP "balances" everything.

Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails).

You clearly aren't familiar with the still ****** weapon balance in Planetside 2 that is a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs EIGHT MONTHS after launch.

By eight months, we'll have had our first expansion and time for an update or two after that. I would imagine this would all be sorted out before then.

You relied on the TAC so much that can't fight with other weapons now?

That's pretty funny!

I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.

I just looked into my crystal ball. It was fuzzy, but overall it looked like the ARs are still going to be the bread 'n butter weaponry on New Eden's battlegrounds.

You clearly aren't familiar with the still ****** weapon balance in Planetside 2 that is a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs EIGHT MONTHS after launch.

By eight months, we'll have had our first expansion and time for an update or two after that. I would imagine this would all be sorted out before then.

I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff.

I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical.

And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance

I just looked into my crystal ball. It was fuzzy, but overall it looked like the ARs are still going to be the bread 'n butter weaponry on New Eden's battlegrounds.

i really dont understand peoples frustration with the TAR , ive used it since day 1 of its existence and im not exactly going 10-0 every match , the AR is the most common weapon in the game therefore YOU ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY AR's ALOT STUPID PEOPLE >:C so stop bitching ,almost every weapon can be made ridiculously powerful when fully specked and modded SO STOP CRYING

I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.

"I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place"


wait so you got your ass kicked and you blame the people using the gun?


you're a casual gamer.

you guys are the ones who ruined this game you're just too stupid to see it.


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I haven't actually used any of the AR's except my trusty Exile in Uprising, but what about the burst AR? You don't mention it specifically and it used to fire quickly and hit pretty hard (at least I thought it was ok). What's your take on potentially using that?

My only other suggestion is to maybe skill fully into the SMG. Obviously not a light weapon but if you are willing to use the shotgun which is such a CQC limited weapon, maybe the SMG is a viable option. Especially if you have a fast suit like the Minmitar Medium/Assault, or another suit w/ a kin/cat on it.