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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
539
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:06:00 -
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I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff.
I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical.
And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance  |

BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
93
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:09:00 -
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I don't use the TAC since it is to heavily abused, but the nerf wants to ruin it for modded controllers and have the gun do what its supposed to do which is long ranged fire. I also am worried about not getting another respec while CCP "balances" everything. |

Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
89
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:09:00 -
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I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many. |

Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
574
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:09:00 -
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Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails). |

Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1485
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:10:00 -
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Oh noes! They're turning off easy mode? Whatever will you do? |

BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
93
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:11:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.
I cant wait for a nerf, although the gun will still very powerful since it hits so freaking hard, and countering it with a regular assault rifle is near impossible when the gun is at optimal range, actually there is no gun that can counter it except a sniper rifle or another TAC when the gun is at optimal range. |

Collar Duty
Grief University
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:11:00 -
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You relied on the TAC so much that can't fight with other weapons now?
That's pretty funny! |

Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
317
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:17:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails).
You're wrong men. It's still a beta
Oh wait... That excuse ended long time ago....
You're right men! |

BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
32
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:17:00 -
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I copied this into my iPods notes a few days ago, it says range will also get reduced as well if I read it right...
CCP Remnant C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 229 #27Posted: 2013.05.28 02:48 | Report Like 25 We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:
Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range
Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time. QUOTE |

NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
32
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:18:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff. I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical. And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance 
Can you give a little more info on your experience with the full auto SCR? I too am looking for something to use when I am not shotgunning.I am not a huge fan of the lower semi auto SCR but the auto one sounds kinda useful.
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Klank Klank
The Cuirassers
21
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:20:00 -
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CCP overnerfs. The TAC needed a nerf, but 1 or maybe 2 nerfs. But it's getting 3. Why do they do this? We say a weapon is OP and suggest a number of ways that could fix it, each on their own. And they pick them all. Every time.
I don't want to fall in love with another gun and have it taken away from me. I'm still in pain over my Mass Driver. |

Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
322
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:20:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:I copied this into my iPods notes a few days ago, it says range will also get reduced as well if I read it right...
CCP Remnant C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 229 #27Posted: 2013.05.28 02:48 | Report Like 25 We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:
Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range
Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time. QUOTE
Lol, they can't handle 1 rifle since the start of the closed beta and they want to add more.
(LOL Cat)
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Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
322
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:20:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:Sontie wrote:I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff. I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical. And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance  Can you give a little more info on your experience with the full auto SCR? I too am looking for something to use when I am not shotgunning.I am not a huge fan of the lower semi auto SCR but the auto one sounds kinda useful.
It's weak. Need a damage buff. |

NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
32
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:22:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:Sontie wrote:I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff. I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical. And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance  Can you give a little more info on your experience with the full auto SCR? I too am looking for something to use when I am not shotgunning.I am not a huge fan of the lower semi auto SCR but the auto one sounds kinda useful. It's weak. Need a damage buff.
Maybe one of the new guns will be my answer. |

Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:24:00 -
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It shines against Caldari shield tanks only. But it has a huge clip (72) and a slightly slower ROF meaning you can fire for longer without having to reload. That, plus the dot sight makes is a great cqc to short range weapon. It's terrible range means that what feels like medium range (which is considered long in this game) is to far out and you must push forward to engage. |

NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
32
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:25:00 -
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Sontie wrote:It shines against Caldari shield tanks only. But it has a huge clip (72) and a slightly slower ROF meaning you can fire for longer without having to reload. That, plus the dot sight makes is a great cqc to short range weapon. It's terrible range means that what feels like medium range (which is considered long in this game) is to far out and you must push forward to engage.
Thanks =] |

ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
538
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:25:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Oh noes! They're turning off easy mode? Whatever will you do? oh no WHY turn off easy mode... lol. I think if done right it should be balanced and there will be massive fall off of TARs and more random weapons popping up. can't wait for it. |

Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:26:00 -
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The guy talking at fanfest about the combat rifle made it sound sexy but... everything at fanfest sounded sexy but the reality was something ugly.
Still, I'm a Winmatar almost purist so I will probably use that weapon... but it will probably suck since the burst sucks (hard) |

WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
356
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:32:00 -
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The duvolle is still superior to any light weapon. |

gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1972
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:37:00 -
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I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. |
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NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
32
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:42:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.
What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given. |

Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
253
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:47:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:I copied this into my iPods notes a few days ago, it says range will also get reduced as well if I read it right...
CCP Remnant C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 229 #27Posted: 2013.05.28 02:48 | Report Like 25 We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:
Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range
Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time. QUOTE
Edit: sorry I don't have a link. No worries man, I got your back.  https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=869944#post869944 |

Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1646
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:47:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. There are other variants? 
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ovary obliterator
Shadows United TACNET
22
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:51:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given.
Sympathy is the anti-tear and we all know tears are delicious... |

dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
68
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:56:00 -
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Tbh, I just want to play this game when it is done. Hopefully then it will have been done right. If not I can then move on. The only reason I still play is in the hope CCP will get it right eventually. Although not sure how long that will take. |

Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
329
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:58:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Tbh, I just want to play this game when it is done. Hopefully then it will have been done right. If not I can then move on. The only reason I still play is in the hope CCP will get it right eventually. Although not sure how long that will take.
Well, at least you're Gandalf, I don't think you could wait so long till see the game done. |

undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
506
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:00:00 -
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Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.
Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?
Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?
Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay |

DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
723
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:02:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.
Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?
Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?
Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay :(
I hope not... Contact nades are worse than the tar  |

NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
34
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:09:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.
Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?
Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?
Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay
Learn the difference between a cry baby thread and a thread asking for advice and opinions. Someone asks for info and/or opinions and everyone rushes to call them a cry baby.
I am currently specced in both a weapon and dropsuit I no longer want to use,you will not see me crying about it but I have been asking for advice on things here and there. |

DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
332
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:10:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given. Right? I'd love to know how one skills into just the tactical rifles and how decreased clip size and increased hip fire spread will make the weapon useless when used as intended. 
There's a difference between a nerf and a tweak. I can't believe I still have to explain that. |
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