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NoxiousMentos
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:13:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. What is it with these posts everywhere.No one is asking for your sympathy that you desperately want to be known won't be given. Right? I'd love to know how one skills into just the tactical rifles and how decreased clip size and increased hip fire spread will make the weapon useless when used as intended.  There's a difference between a nerf and a tweak. I can't believe I still have to explain that.
Seems like a good deal of people just come into a thread and post based on title and don't actually read the damn thing. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:16:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I don't want to use the regular AR. 
Stopped reading, started ROFLMAOFTW.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:20:00 -
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tac overnerfed?
Remnant changed exactly the things that needed to be changed with that gun, to limit its CQC efficacy while retaining its long range efficacy.
The gun sounds like it'll be exactly what its supposed to be.
Until we see hard numbers on the changes you can't really say its been over or under nerfed. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1329
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:29:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.
The TAC has its own skill category? |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1329
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:30:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Tac ar cry baby threads? Wow.
Didn't the duvolle ar get a 10% dmg buff? Doesn't it melt people more than it used to?
Wait..... aren't there like a bunch of other weapons?
Easy mode ar is gone so now everyone's main weapon will be fused locus..... yay
Wait...the duvolle got a 10% dmg buff, in addition to the 10% given to all handheld weapons? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
280
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:37:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.
Sad thing is that the D-TARDs will see the gains in KDR made by abusing the TAR as totally worth it and they'll either move on to the next OP FOTM or cry like babies and ragequit Dust entirely.
TBH, I'm hoping they ragequit entirely, after all, it'll take them too long without a respec to spec into another OP weapon class. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Gentlemen's Agreement
182
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:47:00 -
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I don't use an TAC and i think this nerf is lame.
The lower levels of the weapon (GLU?) are not very good and if are in god mode 10 million SP it really does not matter which weapon you use.
If you are low SP and put everything into a proto TAC then this is a good thing as it stops God mode players in their tracks. (they are literally running around in the open and waiting for people to shoot them so they can find them then run them down...this is not elite skill this is BEING CARRIED)
This whole debate over which weapon is OP is idiotic when people with 10 million SP are face stomping better players simply because they have less SP regardless of which weapon then use. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1976
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP. The TAC has its own skill category?
Goddamnit you all know what I meant, besides I'm sure quite a few people decided to go AR just for the TAC AR and nothing else. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:54:00 -
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it wasn't the gun that was broken.
it was the players getting killed by it.
the only way they could avoid that is to WFMN
now they got em.
what's next ladies?
the glu or the flaylock?
Peace
B |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1329
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:55:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:it wasn't the gun that was broken.
it was the players getting killed by it.
the only way they could avoid that is to WFMN
now they got em.
what's next ladies?
the glu or the flaylock?
Peace
B
The flaylock....I heard that the splash damage is the same as a direct hit |
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Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
106
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:00:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote: I also am worried about not getting another respec while CCP "balances" everything.
We jus had a respec, and an obvious future fix would be tac ar |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1799
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:02:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails).
You clearly aren't familiar with the still ****** weapon balance in Planetside 2 that is a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs EIGHT MONTHS after launch.
By eight months, we'll have had our first expansion and time for an update or two after that. I would imagine this would all be sorted out before then. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:04:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails). You clearly aren't familiar with the still ****** weapon balance in Planetside 2 that is a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs EIGHT MONTHS after launch. By eight months, we'll have had our first expansion and time for an update or two after that. I would imagine this would all be sorted out before then.
So, you're saying that if another company makes ****, CCP is able to make ****, anyways, other people make **** too, so it's ok.
Well, that sounds cool |
TuFar Gon
0uter.Heaven
League of Infamy
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:19:00 -
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Collar Duty wrote:You relied on the TAC so much that can't fight with other weapons now?
That's pretty funny! Right!! And we all knew they were gonna BOO-HOO when the nerf came,although I do feel bad for corp mates and allys cuz those tars can get a fatty out of a " heafty bind " TO ALL,,,try using scrambler assault,,, their pretty good too,also,CCP DIDNT NERF REG AR'S ( duvolle ar ) overall,,HERES TO U CCP LOL,LMAO,
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Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
114
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:21:00 -
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I just looked into my crystal ball. It was fuzzy, but overall it looked like the ARs are still going to be the bread 'n butter weaponry on New Eden's battlegrounds. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
580
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:44:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I have no sympathy for those who skilled into the TAC AR after the respec since it was blatantly obvious a nerf was incoming at some point. I suppose you'll just have to use on of the other AR variants which isn't OP.
I just like gallente stuff.
Plasma ftw. |
True Adamance
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:45:00 -
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Yeva Kalsani wrote:I just looked into my crystal ball. It was fuzzy, but overall it looked like the ARs are still going to be the bread 'n butter weaponry on New Eden's battlegrounds.
Makes sense though right since Im sure there will always been a need to short to mid range firearms in every era of human development.
EDIT- Im pure amarrian none of that **** for me! |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:52:00 -
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Yeah... everyone knew this was coming. I will still use the the tac rifle on my logi suit, because it plays well being a medic and not getting close.
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Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
138
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:56:00 -
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wait so hold on a second
the tac got "overnerfed" by making is a ****** CQC weapon and a great long range ADS weapon....which is exactly what it's supposed to be?
am i reading this right? |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
586
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Weapon balance should've been finalised 6+ months ago, yet here we are still trying to do it (and CCP still fails). You clearly aren't familiar with the still ****** weapon balance in Planetside 2 that is a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs EIGHT MONTHS after launch. By eight months, we'll have had our first expansion and time for an update or two after that. I would imagine this would all be sorted out before then.
Sorry, but I don't consider 1-+ year of beta without getting weapon balance at least somewhat right a success.
Instead of going all fanboy and defending CCP in every way so that they just continue doing something that clearly doesn't work, you should maybe wake up and tell them to change the way they do things.
I'm in no way saying there shouldn't be room for minor adjustments to certain weapons even a long time after release, but when you don't even have something close to balance after 1-+ year of beta, something is clearly not working right.
Edit: You fanboys keep saying that the game "will be better in eight months, next year, in five years. CCP will fix everything, so don't worry about the present". After 1-+ year of beta they've clearly showed that they won't get things right in eight months, or the next year. |
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:19:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I don't want to use the regular AR. The SCR overheats to effing fast. The breach either fires to slow, doesn't have enough range, or doesn't pack enough of a punch. The shotgun would be great if framerate were reliable in cqc or PC matches. Nova Knives don't work against good people. The full auto SCR is nice... The mass driver is now to weak to take on a proto suit, so it can only be used in support, and I'm often call upon to go ninja hack stuff. I just don't know what to do now. The clip size nerf is critical. And we don't get another respec, even with a constantly changing balance
I haven't actually used any of the AR's except my trusty Exile in Uprising, but what about the burst AR? You don't mention it specifically and it used to fire quickly and hit pretty hard (at least I thought it was ok). What's your take on potentially using that?
My only other suggestion is to maybe skill fully into the SMG. Obviously not a light weapon but if you are willing to use the shotgun which is such a CQC limited weapon, maybe the SMG is a viable option. Especially if you have a fast suit like the Minmitar Medium/Assault, or another suit w/ a kin/cat on it. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
31
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:28:00 -
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Yeva Kalsani wrote:I just looked into my crystal ball. It was fuzzy, but overall it looked like the ARs are still going to be the bread 'n butter weaponry on New Eden's battlegrounds.
Which it should be. The AR should be the most versatile weapon in the game good but not great at every aspect. The AR is what every other weapon should be balanced off. The AR is a jack of all trades and every other weapon should have its own niche which its superior to the AR in with its stats based off of how the AR performs in that particular niche. |
N311V
DUST University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:40:00 -
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Doesn't sound overnerfed to me. I've just started using the TAR because I was finding the range of Toxin AR too low for the way I play. Reduced clip size won't bother me as my target is usually dead or has found cover before I need to reload. A little concerned about the increase to hip fire dispersion because I play Gallente Logi and have no sidearm for CQC. I really hope CCP don't have to reduce the TAR's damage as I find it a little more difficult to hit my target now that I can't use the old spray n pray technique. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:48:00 -
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I currently can't stand the automatic ARs with the frame rate lag they are nearly impossible to use. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
83
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:46:00 -
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Good nerf, it was always supposed to suck more at QCQ instead of being the king of the hill for all ranges. |
Wallaby1
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:11:00 -
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i really dont understand peoples frustration with the TAR , ive used it since day 1 of its existence and im not exactly going 10-0 every match , the AR is the most common weapon in the game therefore YOU ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY AR's ALOT STUPID PEOPLE >:C so stop bitching ,almost every weapon can be made ridiculously powerful when fully specked and modded SO STOP CRYING |
Jammeh McJam
NEW AGE EMPIRE
The Family Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:33:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:i really dont understand peoples frustration with the TAR , ive used it since day 1 of its existence and im not exactly going 10-0 every match , the AR is the most common weapon in the game therefore YOU ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY AR's ALOT STUPID PEOPLE >:C so stop bitching ,almost every weapon can be made ridiculously powerful when fully specked and modded SO STOP CRYING
Exactly!
When a weapon is fully skilled into people start crying about it.
WHY DON'T PEOPLE JUST FULLY SKILL INTO A WEAPON FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF RAGE ABOUT IT!?
Thats the most effective way to balance weapons without relying on CCP |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
196
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:44:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place, so they should have seen this coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'd be able to count the number of people that find this news a godsend, either, there's just too many.
This. They even mentioned that they were gonna nerf the weapon before the respec.
So if you still went into ARs just for it, too bad. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
290
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:24:00 -
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"I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place"
wait so you got your ass kicked and you blame the people using the gun?
you're a casual gamer.
you guys are the ones who ruined this game you're just too stupid to see it.
Peace
B |
Jammeh McJam
NEW AGE EMPIRE
The Family Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:27:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"I honestly have no sympathy for those who will be affected by the nerf the most. It's because of those people that a nerf was called down in the first place"
wait so you got your ass kicked and you blame the people using the gun?
you're a casual gamer.
you guys are the ones who ruined this game you're just too stupid to see it.
Peace
B
When it comes to gaming, hardcore gamers will ALWAYS **** on the casuals, thats just how the world works :) |
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