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CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1846	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:19:00 - [1] - Quote Whether you're fighting in close quarters in tight corridors, climbing to the top of buildings to get a better sniper perch, or doing doughnuts with your LAV in a cargo bay, all of the Outposts in DUST 514 were created piece by piece as part of a broader level design. In his new dev blog, CCP LogicLoop explains how the level design team approaches this important task.

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:20:00 - [2] - Quote ~~You appear to be missing something Eterne~~ Also, FIrst.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 470	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote I've been waiting to see buildings that look more... Amarr-influenced.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 612	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote Nice blog. Why is the word "piece" set to look like a hyperlink but it's not? What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 16259	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:37:00 - [5] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Nice blog. Why is the word "piece" set to look like a hyperlink but it's not? What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing. Wouldn't you like to know! :P I was running around it yesterday. A really nice new outpost.

Dr Accipitradea Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:38:00 - [6] - Quote So when will we see dynamic terrain elements like Elevators/Conveyor Belts/Teleporters/Launchpads?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 613	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:43:00 - [7] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Nice blog. Why is the word "piece" set to look like a hyperlink but it's not? What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing. Wouldn't you like to know! :P I was running around it yesterday. A really nice new outpost. Why yes, I would like to know ya big tease. I hereby declare it to be a Gallente style Slurm, I mean Quafe production facility. Now, which section has the exotic dancer lounge?

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 407	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:49:00 - [8] - Quote Wonder if I can do a solo outpost...

Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 497	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote Pirate booster manufacturing outpost! We'll be able to make and sell drugs on planets now.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 142	Posted - 2013.05.30 17:40:00 - [10] - Quote Lol. Go check the SI Outposts question in the outposts section of the map feedback forum. He mentions that this is the final outpost for the Research SI. I too would like to see some Amarr buildings. The list of what I want to see on maps is getting pretty long though. What I'd really like to see, on random maps, are outpost versions of Eve Planetary interaction structures. For a quickmatch, it would be cool to be running through a command post, a spaceport, or an extraction facility.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 614	Posted - 2013.05.30 17:48:00 - [11] - Quote Klivve Cussler wrote: Lol. Go check the SI Outposts question in the outposts section of the map feedback forum. He mentions that this is the final outpost for the Research SI. Cool, thanks.
Castor Crave United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.05.30 17:51:00 - [12] - Quote Yay, new Devblog \o/ We need more of these!
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 491	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:07:00 - [13] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Nice blog. Why is the word "piece" set to look like a hyperlink but it's not? What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing. Wouldn't you like to know! :P I was running around it yesterday. A really nice new outpost. When?
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Gentlemen's Agreement 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:06:00 - [14] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Nice blog. Why is the word "piece" set to look like a hyperlink but it's not? What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing. Wouldn't you like to know! :P I was running around it yesterday. A really nice new outpost. When? When thats my question also....
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries 46	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:31:00 - [15] - Quote Did anyone actually noticed the new amazing outpost? whats up with you guys.. they are obviously working on plenty new great environments.. just zoom at this one, looks amazing, recognized the amarr style there (maybe actually even gallente) outpost. The corridors and walkways are pretty cool, its all new :D.
Luk Manag of Terror 11	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:41:00 - [16] - Quote How do we know what the very important Surface Infrastructure pieces like the Research Lab look like? Can we have a list of structures and their proper names?
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:50:00 - [17] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: How do we know what the very important Surface Infrastructure pieces like the Research Lab look like? Can we have a list of structures and their proper names? Cargo Hub = Orbital Artillery (The Caldari one with the big cannon with the rings pointing into the sky) Production Facility = Biomass (The big blue Caldari structure with the tall towers) Research Lab = Communications (The Gallente one that is green and has the single round tower) List shamelessly stolen from this thread.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 145	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:29:00 - [18] - Quote Those are only temporary placeholders, though. The dev blog screens are from the actual final Research PI. Production and Storage are still in the pipe.
Eggress Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:25:00 - [19] - Quote I hate to be negative, but the Dust 514 level designs are easily the worst I have ever experienced in more than a decade and a half of FPS gaming. Marathon levels had better flow. Open-battlefield has never been done worse. Again, I hate to be negative but this needs to be said. Learning to move through these maps is an endless chore of memorizing dead ends and which stupid little bumps will bring you to a dead stop unless you plan ahead and blow half your stamina jumping over them.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 146	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:31:00 - [20] - Quote Eggress wrote: I hate to be negative, but the Dust 514 level designs are easily the worst I have ever experienced in more than a decade and a half of FPS gaming. Marathon levels had better flow. Open-battlefield has never been done worse. Again, I hate to be negative but this needs to be said. I don't agree, but I respect your opinion. Certainly these aren't the highly crafted multiplayer maps of Halo or CoD, but then, they're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be a general terrain with plug-and-play assets, textures, vegetation, lighting, and weather. And while these aren't the best maps I've ever played on, I don't think they are the worst.

Eggress Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:35:00 - [21] - Quote If they're so easy to slap together, why have I been playing on iterations of the same map with minor variations in redline for a year and a half?
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 146	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:44:00 - [22] - Quote I didn't see they were easy to make. I said they were general purpose. However, I take your point about not having very many of them. Based on a couple of comments made during the fanfest and after, I'm guessing that they've recently changed how they craft maps to incorporate the structure system, having reached some sort of dead end. Now they're playing catch-up. I'm cautiously hopeful that that means we'll see three to five new maps with every update. With two or three big updates a year, that would be enough maps to satisfy me. I'm also hopeful that they'll go back and update the maps assigned to planets in Molden Heath and other regions when they do release new maps, or the initial planets will be stuck with the first few maps forever.
S Park Finner BetaMax. CRONOS. 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Luk Manag wrote: How do we know what the very important Surface Infrastructure pieces like the Research Lab look like? Can we have a list of structures and their proper names? Cargo Hub = Orbital Artillery (The Caldari one with the big cannon with the rings pointing into the sky) Production Facility = Biomass (The big blue Caldari structure with the tall towers) Research Lab = Communications (The Gallente one that is green and has the single round tower) List shamelessly stolen from this thread. I support Luk's request. I don't think, though, he meant the overall center piece of the the map. Rather, the names the designers have assigned to the various components. For example... Line Harvest is one of our oldest maps. It has several iconic features. 1) The "table top" in the center of the map. What is that thing? Landing Pad? Crane Platform? 2) The tall buildings around the edge with the pipes coming out of them. Cooling towers? Extractors of some kind? 3) The two buildings to the North. Warehouses? Hangers? 4) The two buildings in the South East. Administration Complex? I suspect the designers has a back story for each location and building. For me it would add a lot to the maps and game play to know what they are.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 184	Posted - 2013.05.31 00:36:00 - [24] - Quote Nice to have a Dev Blog about level/map design. Unfortunately this little tidbit leads my comment on my biggest gripe with the game to date. Now don't get me wrong...huge fan of the game. After nearly a year in I have been willing endured every aspect of closed and open beta growing pains. I have enormous patients when it comes to weapon balance, FPS mechanics and even the lack of game modes. What I cannot understand is the lack of map variation that exists within the game. When we got into open beta I though...okay things are really going to start rolling out hot and heavy now. Pretty much nothing. Then as we moved closer and closer to release I thought, they have to be holding back some serious material. Nope, we basically got one new map. And now after reading through this Dev Blog I am scratching my head wondering, where are new maps that seem straightforward to create. Heck even before the Blog, the Dev team seemed to indicate that there were dozens of variations of basic terrain that could be tweaked and reworked to provide something slightly familiar yet not so much. I mean the current Manus Peak feels like closed beta Manus Peak in places but the Null Cannon points are in different locations. Why can't this be done more often, with all terrains (and maybe a handful more)? Sure we see minor changes in basic structures but A, B and C are always in the same place. You have moved some points around in other maps as well but we keep losing the old versions. It just seems like there should be...more. The generic layouts and "plug and play" I can deal with...but in a universe that is suppose to have thousands of planets with tens of thousands of districts, you think we would be able to at least get a few dozen map variations in the rotation. Anyway, I hate to come across negative and this really is my biggest gripe with the game. /Waiting to be dazzled
Aeon Amadi Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1411	Posted - 2013.05.31 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote Looks like a very interesting map, ripe for abuse for rooftop TAC-users/Snipers. Beyond that, I honestly would love to see more 'fortress' style sockets like the large square building that was recently implemented (one with the objective inside on a catwalk). It's very fun to have a firefight inside of, though I have to say that players running up the corners to get on the roof defeats the purpose of it a bit. I'm not opposed to seeing more cat-walk walls with over points that are incredibly defensible. In fact, if the Battle of Whisky Outpost (Starship Troopers) ever becomes a socket, I'd have a nerd-boner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPE00A6b9TY Would work well for a 5-point map on one side, making it all the harder for the enemy to red-line the team. Definitely should only be for outskirt objectives though.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO Ill Omens EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 01:27:00 - [26] - Quote Klivve Cussler wrote: Eggress wrote: I hate to be negative, but the Dust 514 level designs are easily the worst I have ever experienced in more than a decade and a half of FPS gaming. Marathon levels had better flow. Open-battlefield has never been done worse. Again, I hate to be negative but this needs to be said. I don't agree, but I respect your opinion. Certainly these aren't the highly crafted multiplayer maps of Halo or CoD, but then, they're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be a general terrain with plug-and-play assets, textures, vegetation, lighting, and weather. And while these aren't the best maps I've ever played on, I don't think they are the worst.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO Ill Omens EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 01:35:00 - [27] - Quote hmmm infantry doesn't sound all that tasty I have a all the money I need so infantry has stopped coming to mind. I run pure vehicles doesn't matter if you're good or not if its not any fun. I just put $200 into this game to buy aur tanks as I speced dropships since there are no aur assault dropships infantry got nerfed so I switched to dropships as they can be the most important if you use them effectively
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2013.05.31 02:02:00 - [28] - Quote We need city like battlegrounds
Terry Webber Turalyon Plus 77	Posted - 2013.05.31 02:29:00 - [29] - Quote Since we're talking about outposts, I made a thread that touches on this: [Request] Tools for Sea Battles in Dust 514 They might not be available for some time but it's worth thinking about it.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 58	Posted - 2013.05.31 03:06:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Looks like a very interesting map, ripe for abuse for rooftop TAC-users/Snipers. Beyond that, I honestly would love to see more 'fortress' style sockets like the large square building that was recently implemented (one with the objective inside on a catwalk). It's very fun to have a firefight inside of, though I have to say that players running up the corners to get on the roof defeats the purpose of it a bit. I'm not opposed to seeing more cat-walk walls with over points that are incredibly defensible. In fact, if the Battle of Whisky Outpost (Starship Troopers) ever becomes a socket, I'd have a nerd-boner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPE00A6b9TY Would work well for a 5-point map on one side, making it all the harder for the enemy to red-line the team. Definitely should only be for outskirt objectives though. Not quite. We went to a bit of length ensuring snipers have a hard time here. Oh, when you play this map snipers. Definitely stay away from that power core. Reav Hannari wrote: What's the racial design for that building? Too slick and bright for Caldari. Doesn't have the normal coloring for the other races. Maybe it'll look totally different with final texturing. It is Gallente. Luk Manag wrote: How do we know what the very important Surface Infrastructure pieces like the Research Lab look like? Can we have a list of structures and their proper names? Well for this one I can tell you for sure. From the top down view NW triangular shaped building is Main Research Labs Center of map with the cylindrical stuff are the Power Cores The squarish building attached to those Power Cores is the Weapons Lab




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