Tac Ars will always be useful and fit my playstyle. Expect more bitching and a double nerf.

Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle is next in my arsenal.

a) 72 clip
b) 39.6 base damage
c) +% damage against shields
d) Heat up is a joke you can literally go full auto with them


"The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased " - CCP Remnant

XOXO

Good thing, I was already getting tired of being pelted by 40 rounds in 2 seconds from 45m in my fatsuit.

Next on the chopping block: Nerf Dropships Harder.

Well they are testing the TAR because its in place for the minmitar combat rifle and Caldari rail rifle...
Geth has spoken...

- Geth

"Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman"




And so the crutch is knocked out of the arms of the "1337" players.




Finally, Dust gets interesting.

Nerf the only weapon that's able to kill anything fast enough. Why not bring other weapons up to its level? Everything is constantly getting weaker, which making this game slower, and more dull and boring.


Speed **** up, make weapons kill faster.

WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

Slower is better. Faster combat turns Dust into a twitch FPS with no tactics except "he who sees first wins".

CCP is on the right track.

I disagree, being killed in a shot or two can make someone think faaaar more tactically
I know speaking of the franchise gets people all riled up but play some hardcore search and destroy in COD, its a vastly different creature from team death match

Well they are testing the TAR because its in place for the minmitar combat rifle and Caldari rail rifle...
Geth has spoken...

- Geth

I disagree, being killed in a shot or two can make someone think faaaar more tactically
I know speaking of the franchise gets people all riled up but play some hardcore search and destroy in COD, its a vastly different creature from team death match

If this happens I'm leaving the game

Sure, there's more heft to what you do before you engage, but once you engage, or are engaged, it's over. So you get a lot more sneaking around and OHKs. That's not better tactics though. With a slower game, all the tactics you use in a faster game still work, plus you have actual combat tactics.

too slow and you end up needing a swarm of players to take down a single player in a timely fashion... too fast and a single player can take out a blob before they realize hes there...

i feel, that for the most part, its relatively decent as it stands... there is balancing that can and or needs to be done, but i dont think its drastic enough to the point that 'EVERYTHING needs buffed' or 'EVERYTHING needs nerfed'... though i feel armor tank is a bit lack luster compared to shields...

I see what you mean, personally though I would prefer things a bit faster
I want combat to feel dangerous, know what I mean

Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle is next in my arsenal.

a) 72 clip
b) 39.6 base damage
c) +% damage against shields
d) Heat up is a joke you can literally go full auto with them


"The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased " - CCP Remnant

XOXO

Tac Ars will always be useful and fit my playstyle. Expect more bitching and a double nerf.

Exactly. Increased hip-fire spread and lower ROF does not affect me at all. I use the scope 99% of the time anyway and I don't spam bullets (unless they're walking in an obvious pattern or when they stand still).

Smaller clip? Please, the damage is still high enough for me to take out people in a couple of bullets.

Yeah, bunny hopping around is the pinnacle of combat tactics
Real combat tactics include everything up to the engagement and the engagement itself, setting up ambush points, flanking the enemy, all that stuff is combat tactics
Bouncing around like a 10 year old with ADD and spraying bullets everywhere is not

instead of bringing the stats of the TAC down why not increase the stats of the AR?

CCP you messed up the guns and now have to mess it up AGAIN to compensate....

Just increase the range of the ARs and decrease the damage of the TAR, it's simple.
I never saw anyone use a TACAR before you destroyed the assault rifles.

Or how about this, why not have considered what you were doing to the range of the ARS before you nerfed them!?
You caused this and now we have to suffer because of it.

I'll just use a Duvolle instead though and then people will complain about that!

You can't win like this CCP you're going about it the wrong way.

anything that works in this game, you nerds WFMN.

then you actually claim this is the way the game is supposed to be.


you guys are codbois through and through.


way to ruin a game that had potential. again.


Peace
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anything that works in this game, you nerds WFMN.

then you actually claim this is the way the game is supposed to be.


you guys are codbois through and through.


way to ruin a game that had potential. again.


Peace
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The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

anything that works in this game, you nerds WFMN.

then you actually claim this is the way the game is supposed to be.


you guys are codbois through and through.


way to ruin a game that had potential. again.


Peace
B

Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle is next in my arsenal.

a) 72 clip
b) 39.6 base damage
c) +% damage against shields
d) Heat up is a joke you can literally go full auto with them


"The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased " - CCP Remnant

XOXO

So they're hitting it on multiple fronts then claiming they don't want to over-nerf.

I think CCP needs to learn how to alter ONLY ONE ASPECT AT A TIME to see the impact of something.

ONE CHANGE.

ONE.

Reduce the RoF, see what happens.
If it needs more, reduce clip size as well, then see what happens.

ONE.
CHANGE.
AT.
A.
TIME.

I'm just glad they cant be fired at inhuman speeds and wont be as effective as my Shotgun Scout in CQC anymore.

So they're hitting it on multiple fronts then claiming they don't want to over-nerf.

I think CCP needs to learn how to alter ONLY ONE ASPECT AT A TIME to see the impact of something.

ONE CHANGE.

ONE.

Reduce the RoF, see what happens.
If it needs more, reduce clip size as well, then see what happens.

ONE.
CHANGE.
AT.
A.
TIME.

Exactly. Increased hip-fire spread and lower ROF does not affect me at all. I use the scope 99% of the time anyway and I don't spam bullets (unless they're walking in an obvious pattern or when they stand still).

Smaller clip? Please, the damage is still high enough for me to take out people in a couple of bullets.

Bunny hopping is for people that don't know how to strafe and counter strafe. Steady hands and good footwork will always beat out an itchy trigger finger in an extended firefight.

Well said.

Also, everyone in this thread should keep in mind CCP Cmdr Wang's post about range changes that are going in that will bring engagement ranges back up for all weapons.

With everything able to do at least some damage at longer ranges, these changes are probably all that will be needed.

Basically, if anyone QQs after the nerf, **** on them for being idiots. If you think getting killed at long range by a long range weapon is unfair, you need to go somewhere else.

But that's the point. If you're dropping people at range with no problem, it's because you're using the weapon the way it was meant to be used.
Nobody cares about getting killed by a Tac AR at its optimal range unless they're a moron. The issue is the Tac AR currently dominating at every range and making all other weapons useless.

naw it was players like you who i outgunned based on skill using militia gear while you had protoad gear.


it wasn't the gear, ma'am.
it was the person using it.


but you go ahead and claim otherwise.

this is how you guys do: you get beat, can't figure out why, blame the weapons and WFMN.

then the game has less then 10k people playing it.
the reviews pi$$ all over it

and you guys sit around thinking you're right.


nice try, nancy boy.

NEXT!

Peace
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And so the crutch is knocked out of the arms of the "1337" players.

Really? Come on man, you're a veteran you should know this...


CCP has over nerfed everything in the game at one time or another and the best players keep on being good. It doesn't matter what they nerf, good players will pick up another weapon and be just as good at it.

This has happened through multiple builds, they already nerfed the TAR in a previous build and it didn't slow down good players then. Most will probably move to Scrambler or back to regular Duvolle.

If all they nerf is the CQC on the TAR, players can just use the TAR and a Flaylock (needs to be toned down too).

If this happens I'm leaving the game

If this happens I'm leaving the game

Really? Come on man, you're a veteran you should know this...


CCP has over nerfed everything in the game at one time or another and the best players keep on being good. It doesn't matter what they nerf, good players will pick up another weapon and be just as good at it.

This has happened through multiple builds, they already nerfed the TAR in a previous build and it didn't slow down good players then. Most will probably move to Scrambler or back to regular Duvolle.

If all they nerf is the CQC on the TAR, players can just use the TAR and a Flaylock (needs to be toned down too).

"And so the crutch is knocked out of the arms of the "1337" players. .

If this happens I'm leaving the game

If this happens I'm crying to my mom so she can give me apple juice :,(

*sigh*

it never was the TAC it was the 10 million SP and all the armor shields and damage bonuses that comes with it.

They will just switch back to an AR and everyone will claim the AR is OP even though it has not changed.

The crutch has always been the "1337" players being carried by the monstrous chasm between a few million SP and 10 million SP.

People seem to forget that the max ROF x damage = over 1000 damage without any skills or damage mods.
At any range this is ridiculous.

Nerf the only weapon that's able to kill anything fast enough. Why not bring other weapons up to its level? Everything is constantly getting weaker, which making this game slower, and more dull and boring.


Speed **** up, make weapons kill faster.

*sigh*

it never was the TAC it was the 10 million SP and all the armor shields and damage bonuses that comes with it.

They will just switch back to an AR and everyone will claim the AR is OP even though it has not changed.

The crutch has always been the "1337" players being carried by the monstrous chasm between a few million SP and 10 million SP.

+1
Smartest idea I read on the forums in a while.

Work on your gun game if you want to kill faster. If you want to play this game like CoD, stack damage mods then and accept the downsides. If not, then let the grown ups play.

with half a normal clip and terrible hipfire accuracy, this means the full power is only really felt in short bursts at ADS range, which is what the tac AR is for anyway

1000 DPS is crazy, you do not even understand.
This is the stuff that blaster turrets dish out.

As you all know, this weapon is the go to weapon for noobs, casuals, ringers, hardcore players, CPMs, pubs, PC, ect. We all bickered about the weapon because its too powerful but there has been a lack of proper reasoning beyond bable. Heres my bable:


The Duvolle Tac has 78.5 damage, pretty fair amount, a proto blaster turrent, the ion cannon. does 136.5. about half as much damage, seems ligit. But if you have pro 5 (3% damage increase per level) 78.5 raises to 90.275. If you are in the caldari or mini assult you have lots of high slots (4 and 5 respectably). Slap on 4 damage mods and 90.275 raises to 121.675 damage per shot.

Pro 5 is VERY easy to do and will basically be manditory with the respec and reduction in SP cost. 4 damage mods is ligit if your doing some support gunning behind the scenes, if you disagree it is certainly used in pubs. So with how easy this will be to obtain for alot of players, PC demands this exploit. In conclusion, DUST's most common battlefeild weapon can do more damage than ANY non proto blaster turrent. If you want more sheilds then take off a damage mod or 2 and your doing as much damage as low grade advanced tank turrents.

Lets compare this fit to an Ion Cannon.

This AR does 121.675 damage, only 14.85 damage less than an Ion Cannon
The Duvolle Tac has a 30 round clip wich is about equivilant in the volume of rounds of the ion cannon's coolent before it overheats.
Both have 100% perfect accuracy
Both can zoom
The Tac does not have a small blast but the Ion Cannon does
The rate of fire can be jus as bast as Ion Cannon with no damage/rof enhancer with a fast trigger (no skill required)
Both are hybrid weapons (does 100% damage to both sheilds and armor)

So these are very simular weapons, both doing simular amounts of damage, rate of fire and "clip" size.
If you really wanna, you can have a tank cannon in your hands. Choose your tank cannon and slap on the correct amount of damage mods, you have a blaster. The only diffrence is you can fit your Duvolle in tight spaces

1000 DPS is crazy, you do not even understand.
This is the stuff that blaster turrets dish out.

Yay, I get to play test the new TAC in PC matches with a lot on the line! Almost as if this was a Beta still and we were play testing

I think they should make SR do maybe 50% damage to armor since it's damage is a lot higher than AR like 5 full points? More bullets per clip it has like almost Balacs Clip.

I can already see the assault SR becoming the next flavor of the month and people are going to want to nerf it. A squad mate of mine uses it and he can take down opponents pretty well. Took down 4 at once one time. The regular SR is good too. I just really this range buff doesn't make the AR heads QQ for its nerf. The SR would be the perfect weapon with a little more range.

The biggest problem with this fix is the clip size hit.
At longer distances, its harder to hit targets, and this weapon is intended for longer distances.
It usually takes 3/4 or a full clip to take down a moving target.
So reducing clip size will also damage the weapon at the long range, which is something you don't want to do.

This is what the weapon needed all along. With the reduced clip size, you're forced to choose your engagements and line up your sights wisely instead of praying and spraying in someone's general direction. Since they went Tonya Harding on the MD with the nerf bat, I might take on the new incarnation of the TAR as my new support weapon.