DUST Search - SP for AV vs Tank SP

Exmaple Core wrote:

To get lv 5 profficentcy forge gun you need to train:
Forgegun ( x2) Lv5 for 621,840 SP
Forgun proficiency (5x) LV5 for 1,554,600
Dropsuit command (1x) for 13,000
heavy frame (6x) lv 5 for 1,865520
Optional supplement:
AV nades (4x) lv 5 for 1,243680

I put in the medium frame because it has more high slots for damage mods than the racial variant so it is more effective for AV.
For the maximum amount of damage in the best dropsuit with the best weapons available (officer or proto) it cost you 4,054,960
and if you would like the finest AV nades with it your investment increases to 5,298,640

On the other hand, tanks and vehicals in general have lots and lots of skills to invest into to have a "decent" tank. Decent is a very kind word for these ww2 standard halftracks. For example, the vehical upgrades tree houses all the defensive skills the tank can have and is as follows:

Shield upgrades 3x
shield extension 5x
shield recharge 2x
shield boost systems 2x
shield adaptaion 5x
vehical electronics 2x
core upgrades 3x

To have the most effective vehicle mod and obtain the necessary skill effect (you need it to modify mod effectiveness) for these skills you have to reach lv 5 with the exception of shield adaptation (as it is far too pricey and lv 4 will do in most circumstances) you will need to invest 6,092,940 in Shield Upgrades. Keep in mind 2 skills i did not include as they are less common and not used by many. However as stated above, this is only the defensive ability of vehicles, if you only speced into this you dont have a tank, dropship, lav or any sort of vehicle yet because you need to invest into Vehicle Command first. Then you have to invest in turrets as well.

Doing the math i came to find that for tanks, only skilling into the nessicary lv of lavs and vehical command with the additon of proto small and large weapons to have an effective tank it will cost between 10 to 14 million skill points depending on how many levels of the Enforcer Tank skill (12x) you would like to invest to.

in conclusion, it requires 2.5 to 3.5 times less skill points and time (depending on weithre the forgegunner wants proto AV grenades) to turn your ww2 halftrack into a peice of.... gone.

Yes AV is supposed to destroy tanks and it does it very well! I appluaed AV for being so brutally efficent and boo at all new tankers who think they can tank.... and anyone who tries to tank

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Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote To get lv 5 profficentcy forge gun you need to train: Forgegun ( x2) Lv5 for 621,840 SP Forgun proficiency (5x) LV5 for 1,554,600 Dropsuit command (1x) for 13,000 heavy frame (6x) lv 5 for 1,865520 Optional supplement: AV nades (4x) lv 5 for 1,243680 I put in the medium frame because it has more high slots for damage mods than the racial variant so it is more effective for AV. For the maximum amount of damage in the best dropsuit with the best weapons available (officer or proto) it cost you 4,054,960 and if you would like the finest AV nades with it your investment increases to 5,298,640 On the other hand, tanks and vehicals in general have lots and lots of skills to invest into to have a "decent" tank. Decent is a very kind word for these ww2 standard halftracks. For example, the vehical upgrades tree houses all the defensive skills the tank can have and is as follows: Shield upgrades 3x shield extension 5x shield recharge 2x shield boost systems 2x shield adaptaion 5x vehical electronics 2x core upgrades 3x To have the most effective vehicle mod and obtain the necessary skill effect (you need it to modify mod effectiveness) for these skills you have to reach lv 5 with the exception of shield adaptation (as it is far too pricey and lv 4 will do in most circumstances) you will need to invest 6,092,940 in Shield Upgrades. Keep in mind 2 skills i did not include as they are less common and not used by many. However as stated above, this is only the defensive ability of vehicles, if you only speced into this you dont have a tank, dropship, lav or any sort of vehicle yet because you need to invest into Vehicle Command first. Then you have to invest in turrets as well. Doing the math i came to find that for tanks, only skilling into the nessicary lv of lavs and vehical command with the additon of proto small and large weapons to have an effective tank it will cost between 10 to 14 million skill points depending on how many levels of the Enforcer Tank skill (12x) you would like to invest to. in conclusion, it requires 2.5 to 3.5 times less skill points and time (depending on weithre the forgegunner wants proto AV grenades) to turn your ww2 halftrack into a peice of.... gone. Yes AV is supposed to destroy tanks and it does it very well! I appluaed AV for being so brutally efficent and boo at all new tankers who think they can tank.... and anyone who tries to tank
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 506	Posted - 2013.05.27 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote for a enforcer caldari minimum you would need around 10.5mil spec for full spec 12mil.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 118	Posted - 2013.05.27 20:59:00 - [3] - Quote in my opinion AV shouldn`t hold so much power in infantry, but Anti Tank turrets and air support etc should take out these behemoths as easily, 1 AV doing that all is nonsense. "tank! tanks incoming" "its ok bro, I got this *clears the 2 tanks in a matter of moments" "whoa that was easy..." "yup" "I was expecting to call in air support or use an anti tank turret you know...make this a Michael bay film in the process while jet fighters or assault drop ships role in to destroy the would be bane of tanks and other heavy vehicles..." "what are you nuts? Large AV turrets get shredded and smaller will be worse, and DSes use small turrets, which are weaker then my hand held infantry weaponry even though those our mounted on vehicles... its sucks so much that the splash damage turrets have better Direct damage, small rialguns are a joke"
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote lol BHD +1
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:04:00 - [5] - Quote ladwar wrote: for a enforcer caldari minimum you would need around 10.5mil spec for full spec 12mil. For caldari i threw in proto hybrids for rail AV. getting the enforcer skill gives you missile bonuses so youd spec into proto missiles as well. The purpose of dual specing is versitility in PC, sometimes you role missiles while your buddy runs rails and vice versa. So you need both
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote ladwar wrote: for a enforcer caldari minimum you would need around 10.5mil spec for full spec 12mil. I belive the equivilant Armor skills have the same SP multipliers as well?
Lycuo BetaMax. CRONOS. 16	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote you know its funny because although i believe AV might be a little over powered in this game... Its exaxtly like real life... How easy is it for a tank to get blown up in RL rolling by itself through ohhhh lets say afghanistan? Id say pretty darn easy... Biggest problem i see with tanks in this game is how players try to abuse them and the roles they are supposed to play... Its supposed to be support guys not the front line Thats just my .02 iskies
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:39:00 - [8] - Quote Lycuo wrote: you know its funny because although i believe AV might be a little over powered in this game... Its exaxtly like real life... How easy is it for a tank to get blown up in RL rolling by itself through ohhhh lets say afghanistan? Id say pretty darn easy... Biggest problem i see with tanks in this game is how players try to abuse them and the roles they are supposed to play... Its supposed to be support guys not the front line Thats just my .02 iskies Your right its support but alot of ppl play it as support and AV sits behind their support and it turns south for the tank real quick. Though to be fair dust does not correspond to real life. HMGs do more damage and reach further than any AR in the history of warfare. ARs do as much base damage as turrents. Putting a mod in your suit makes your gun hit further. Practicing with your weapon (funnling SP to increase your weapon LV) makes your gun hit harder. Dust is all about the RPG element struggling to find game balance
Xender17 Murderz for hire 106	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:40:00 - [9] - Quote SP for AV vs Tank SP. Why do you only show AV sp? -_- Mr.Biased.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:43:00 - [10] - Quote Xender17 wrote: SP for AV vs Tank SP. Why do you only show AV sp? -_- Mr.Biased. continue reading i did list cost for tanks, Mr. Illiterate

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 120	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:44:00 - [11] - Quote Lycuo wrote: you know its funny because although i believe AV might be a little over powered in this game... Its exaxtly like real life... How easy is it for a tank to get blown up in RL rolling by itself through ohhhh lets say afghanistan? Id say pretty darn easy... Biggest problem i see with tanks in this game is how players try to abuse them and the roles they are supposed to play... Its supposed to be support guys not the front line Thats just my .02 iskies AV is support or tanks are support?
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 546	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:48:00 - [12] - Quote Lycuo wrote: you know its funny because although i believe AV might be a little over powered in this game... Its exaxtly like real life... How easy is it for a tank to get blown up in RL rolling by itself through ohhhh lets say afghanistan? Id say pretty darn easy... Biggest problem i see with tanks in this game is how players try to abuse them and the roles they are supposed to play... Its supposed to be support guys not the front line Thats just my .02 iskies You want to bring real life into this. How big of area does one tank shell cover that insta kills everything around it. It also takes skill and well placed shot to take down real life tanks Otherwise if you hit the flat surface with your AV dead on it shatters the round and the explosion does not enter inside of it. Arty rounds take out massive areas. Also all those little walls you hide behind in this game would be blown away or the round would go right through. So basing a game on real life is horrible. Because I could sit 3 miles out with my tank and rain death apon anyone I wanted with out much trouble and and landing rounds within meter or less of my target. I agree that tankers need to use strategy. But also AV should have to use equal strategy. They should not be able to just roast a tank solo because in real life that rarely happens. Usually it only happen with some luck. And alot of skill. If you mess up solo the tank your done.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:01:00 - [13] - Quote not bad; but you left out quite a bit for infantry AV . Forgot at 620k to get damage mods; the 950k for shield extenders, as you may not run pure damage mods. then didnt factor in infantry core skills either. Can't include for one and not the other; as w/o fitting ability the weapon and suit are kind of meaningless to add to your list: Hand-held skillings lv5 = 620k Shield extender lv5 - 950k Engy lv 4= 777k Elec lv 4 = 777k Nano lv 3 = ~150k (i think) etc.... just playing devils advocate showing can't bring up skills for one and not the other, as of course it'd show you need more SP one way or the other
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 627	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:02:00 - [14] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: To get lv 5 profficentcy forge gun you need to train: Forgegun ( x2) Lv5 for 621,840 SP Forgun proficiency (5x) LV5 for 1,554,600 Dropsuit command (1x) for 13,000 heavy frame (6x) lv 5 for 1,865520 Optional supplement: AV nades (4x) lv 5 for 1,243680 I put in the medium frame because it has more high slots for damage mods than the racial variant so it is more effective for AV. For the maximum amount of damage in the best dropsuit with the best weapons available (officer or proto) it cost you 4,054,960 and if you would like the finest AV nades with it your investment increases to 5,298,640 On the other hand, tanks and vehicals in general have lots and lots of skills to invest into to have a "decent" tank. Decent is a very kind word for these ww2 standard halftracks. For example, the vehical upgrades tree houses all the defensive skills the tank can have and is as follows: Shield upgrades 3x shield extension 5x shield recharge 2x shield boost systems 2x shield adaptaion 5x vehical electronics 2x core upgrades 3x To have the most effective vehicle mod and obtain the necessary skill effect (you need it to modify mod effectiveness) for these skills you have to reach lv 5 with the exception of shield adaptation (as it is far too pricey and lv 4 will do in most circumstances) you will need to invest 6,092,940 in Shield Upgrades. Keep in mind 2 skills i did not include as they are less common and not used by many. However as stated above, this is only the defensive ability of vehicles, if you only speced into this you dont have a tank, dropship, lav or any sort of vehicle yet because you need to invest into Vehicle Command first. Then you have to invest in turrets as well. Doing the math i came to find that for tanks, only skilling into the nessicary lv of lavs and vehical command with the additon of proto small and large weapons to have an effective tank it will cost between 10 to 14 million skill points depending on how many levels of the Enforcer Tank skill (12x) you would like to invest to. in conclusion, it requires 2.5 to 3.5 times less skill points and time (depending on weithre the forgegunner wants proto AV grenades) to turn your ww2 halftrack into a peice of.... gone. Yes AV is supposed to destroy tanks and it does it very well! I appluaed AV for being so brutally efficent and boo at all new tankers who think they can tank.... and anyone who tries to tank This list is just plain wrong! please correct! You missed some heavy skills man. First off you need the dropsuit PG and CPU core skills, and weaponry level 5 im pretty sure you need for FG add the skill for dmg moduals as well you mentioned having them but not the skill that lets you use them? Also NO upgraded armor repair? hows he supposed to have any survivability? No dampeners? And for grenades you need explosive and grenadier (I think lvl 1 at least.) Also you did not factor in the fact you probably are gonna want the Shield health upgrades and armor health upgrades so you have the most armor and shield you can get. essential. You need a sidearm so toxin lets say for def Also you need dropsuit command at level 3 so that is wrong And even with all that PG and CPU from the core skills your still gonna have a hard time fitting all that stuff on there, like i dont think you CAN fit proto av grenades with a proto forge and proto dmg mods and a toxin + reppers and dampener. Your forge gunner you built here I would not be caught dead in, because it is a death trap! Your giving allot of liberty skills to a tank that your not giving to the FG'er so this entire list is skewed and appears biased You literally went most basic high dmg forge gunner then most EFFECTIVE tank your words not mine... and that forge gun could not even work because you left out skills, so he would not be able to deploy! Please add the other skills the heavy would need to be successful with that forge gun as he is not going to magically teleport behind your tank. Or i might make a thread about getting a adv tank with proto turret and say see tanks dont cost much SP at all! and it would be wrong.
Succendo Goonfeet 41	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:02:00 - [15] - Quote Tanks aren't people. Stop pretending they are. That's just racist.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 112	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:35:00 - [16] - Quote I have 7 million SP and am specced into FG. Have a glass cannon fitting just for powerful tanks. Currently there are a couple of Madrugars I cannot solo unless they get up close, but because the tanker is competent I get killed if we get into close range of each other. This is even when the tanker does not have a death squad of infantry to back him up. Even with people giving swarm launcher and other FG support, these tanks can't be taken down easily or taken down at all for an entire match. Then you have these jokers in poorly fitted tanks, or using them all wrong and getting blown up in a matter of seconds. Wait till the advanced and prototype tanks roll out. There will probably be a number of nigh-unkillable tanks that will take dedicated AV players working in tandem against them to even just give them some area denial, and a bunch of whiners who get their expensive toys blown up because they don't know what they're doing but just grind up, and then continue to complain that AV is overpowered. It's working as intended. If you have something to complain about FG or AV in general, please shut up and HTFU.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:55:00 - [17] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: Wait till the advanced and prototype tanks roll out. There will probably be a number of nigh-unkillable tanks that will take dedicated AV players working in tandem against them to even just give them some area denial, and a bunch of whiners who get their expensive toys blown up because they don't know what they're doing but just grind up, and then continue to complain that AV is overpowered. that's how it meant to be, not being able to solo any tank that's decently fit.
Lycuo BetaMax. CRONOS. 18	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:04:00 - [18] - Quote You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:25:00 - [19] - Quote Lycuo wrote: You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered I do very much, I can spam EX-O AV grenades within a few seconds and kill almost any tank on the field, my weapons should not be that powerful, it should take me at least 10 seconds to kill a tank and should take me over 10 grenades to do it also, not 3 or 5.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 156	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:28:00 - [20] - Quote SP spent on sniping/any role in the game 12 million sp spent to spec into a tac AR and kill youi n 3 shots = 3mil to cap it life sucks then you die, get over it

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 124	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:37:00 - [21] - Quote Lycuo wrote: You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered no offence but all your guys gear must be militia starter fits, 4 guys on 1 would commonly kill. Also to the proto/ADV tanks will dominate, last build we had ADV HP tanks that are claimed to be PRO so dream shattered their innless those were ADV (in that case thank goodness, won`t be as hard to balance). Also hopefully my proto LAAs will counter tanks but we will see.
Synthetic Surrogate Venilen Eugenics Agency 63	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:38:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Lycuo wrote: You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered I do very much, I can spam EX-O AV grenades within a few seconds and kill almost any tank on the field, my weapons should not be that powerful, it should take me at least 10 seconds to kill a tank and should take me over 10 grenades to do it also, not 3 or 5. 10 AV grenades? Seriously? If you are putting yourself in a position to get "spammed" with AV grenades you are doing it wrong. A tank is not supposed to be able to roll up into a blob of red dots and park. How come certain HAV pilots can pwn while others come QQ'ing on the forums? Cry me a river timberlake! Start running in a squad and getting infantry support, that will help. You want tanks to be a "win" button for you, if you get better at driving them perhaps they will be. Crying on the forums about SP spent on tanks as opposed to a forge gun is silly to begin with. Even more so when you didnt include any skills needed to go along with that build, yet you added EVERYTHING possible to the tank build. Meh Spec into something else and do yourself a favor. That or learn do drive a tank properly.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:42:00 - [23] - Quote Synthetic Surrogate wrote: Void Echo wrote: Lycuo wrote: You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered I do very much, I can spam EX-O AV grenades within a few seconds and kill almost any tank on the field, my weapons should not be that powerful, it should take me at least 10 seconds to kill a tank and should take me over 10 grenades to do it also, not 3 or 5. 10 AV grenades? Seriously? If you are putting yourself in a position to get "spammed" with AV grenades you are doing it wrong. A tank is not supposed to be able to roll up into a blob of red dots and park. How come certain HAV pilots can pwn while others come QQ'ing on the forums? Cry me a river timberlake! Start running in a squad and getting infantry support, that will help. You want tanks to be a "win" button for you, if you get better at driving them perhaps they will be. Crying on the forums about SP spent on tanks as opposed to a forge gun is silly to begin with. Even more so when you didnt include any skills needed to go along with that build, yet you added EVERYTHING possible to the tank build. Meh Spec into something else and do yourself a favor. That or learn do drive a tank properly. you cant read, I didn't say I was in the tank, im NOT skilled into tanks this build, IM THE AV GRENADER, and I stand by what I said, you need to learn how to read.
Synthetic Surrogate Venilen Eugenics Agency 63	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:48:00 - [24] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Synthetic Surrogate wrote: Void Echo wrote: Lycuo wrote: You know its funny because as OP as AV is supposed to be a squad of 4 guys trying to take on duna2002's tank with some forge guns and av grenades still hasnt dented the thing and we have played against him for i think 5 or 6 rounds in a row... So in all fairness i would like to know who is able to solo a good tank and from there i want to see that person go against duna (who is not part of my corp or alliance) and see if u still think that AV is overpowered I do very much, I can spam EX-O AV grenades within a few seconds and kill almost any tank on the field, my weapons should not be that powerful, it should take me at least 10 seconds to kill a tank and should take me over 10 grenades to do it also, not 3 or 5. 10 AV grenades? Seriously? If you are putting yourself in a position to get "spammed" with AV grenades you are doing it wrong. A tank is not supposed to be able to roll up into a blob of red dots and park. How come certain HAV pilots can pwn while others come QQ'ing on the forums? Cry me a river timberlake! Start running in a squad and getting infantry support, that will help. You want tanks to be a "win" button for you, if you get better at driving them perhaps they will be. Crying on the forums about SP spent on tanks as opposed to a forge gun is silly to begin with. Even more so when you didnt include any skills needed to go along with that build, yet you added EVERYTHING possible to the tank build. Meh Spec into something else and do yourself a favor. That or learn do drive a tank properly. you cant read, I didn't say I was in the tank, im NOT skilled into tanks this build, IM THE AV GRENADER, and I stand by what I said, you need to learn how to read. It doesn't matter what "class" you are speced into. After reading what you wrote it sounds likely you are a crappy HAV pilot pretending to be an AV class. Why is it that I can fit Militia Tank with good armor plates and do well? Couldn't be any tactics used right?
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 124	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:51:00 - [25] - Quote 10 AV is an over kill but when more anti tank roles arrive I would hope there are proto vehicle gear and proto tanks to balance things out.
Synthetic Surrogate Venilen Eugenics Agency 63	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote Do you know how hard it would be to hit a smart tank pilot with 10 AV grenades? As a AV expert you should have an idea right? Even more so if that tank has a squad of boots with him.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:54:00 - [27] - Quote after reading this, it seems you have a 1st grade reading level, I DO NOT USE TANKS THIS BUILD, AND I WILL NEVER USE MILITIA TANKS, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST. when I was specialized into tanks, I was one of the best drivers around. I will spec into tanks after the next respec, once again I say to you LEARN TO READ.
Synthetic Surrogate Venilen Eugenics Agency 63	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:59:00 - [28] - Quote Void Echo wrote: after reading this, it seems you have a 1st grade reading level, I DO NOT USE TANKS THIS BUILD, AND I WILL NEVER USE MILITIA TANKS, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST. when I was specialized into tanks, I was one of the best drivers around. I will spec into tanks after the next respec, once again I say to you LEARN TO READ. I can read sweety. You are an AV specialist saying it should take 10 grenades to pop a tank. I don't care if you speced into carebears, I am READING your WORDS and replying to them. So you are an old tank driver who doesnt drive them any more, now crying on the forums about tanks. Got it.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:05:00 - [29] - Quote Synthetic Surrogate wrote: Void Echo wrote: after reading this, it seems you have a 1st grade reading level, I DO NOT USE TANKS THIS BUILD, AND I WILL NEVER USE MILITIA TANKS, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST. when I was specialized into tanks, I was one of the best drivers around. I will spec into tanks after the next respec, once again I say to you LEARN TO READ. I can read sweety. You are an AV specialist saying it should take 10 grenades to pop a tank. I don't care if you speced into carebears, I am READING your WORDS and replying to them. So you are an old tank driver who doesnt drive them any more, now crying on the forums about tanks. Got it. if that's what you got out of that then your just ignorant. im not an av specialist either im gallente assault specialist, and I use av as a side weapon, and on how iv used them to kill vehicles they ARE OP
Synthetic Surrogate Venilen Eugenics Agency 63	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:15:00 - [30] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Synthetic Surrogate wrote: Void Echo wrote: after reading this, it seems you have a 1st grade reading level, I DO NOT USE TANKS THIS BUILD, AND I WILL NEVER USE MILITIA TANKS, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST. when I was specialized into tanks, I was one of the best drivers around. I will spec into tanks after the next respec, once again I say to you LEARN TO READ. I can read sweety. You are an AV specialist saying it should take 10 grenades to pop a tank. I don't care if you speced into carebears, I am READING your WORDS and replying to them. So you are an old tank driver who doesnt drive them any more, now crying on the forums about tanks. Got it. if that's what you got out of that then your just ignorant. im not an av specialist either im gallente assault specialist, and I use av as a side weapon, and on how iv used them to kill vehicles they ARE OP Let me try one more time for ya. Then the drivers of those tanks deserved get get their cherry popped by you. I called you an AV specialist because you have obviously (or so I assumed) speced into AV because you are making statements saying AV is op. I made a few points saying your remark about 10 AV grenades should be how many is needed to destroy a tank. I made the point of saying a GOOD tank driver should NEVER be in position to get poped by AV grenades. If they are they are doing it wrong. I gave suggestions about trying to use infantry and roll around with you, that way the boots on the ground are less likely to "spam" you with AV. I asked why some tank drivers do fine? I asked why I can put a few advanced plated on a simple militia fit and do well. You are ignoring everything I say and instead reply with "I am not a tank driver", "I was a skilled tank driver in chromosome". YOU CANT READ TEH WORDZ!!oneone Here is the thing. It would be like me using dropships last build, then finding the dropships are weak threads and saying how I am a forge gunner this build and my forge gun should not pop dropships so easy. It is that, or you just are not very good at driving tanks. You seem to think a tank should be able to roll into a squad of red dots and park. You think it should take ten AV grenades to destroy a tank. My whole point was "If you are getting popped by AV nades something must be going wrong" I tryed to offer tips mentioned above but you keep ignoring them. That or you lack reading skills? At least reply with more than " I DO NOT DRIVE TEH TANKS DUMMIES"



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