If you think AV nades are too powerful then become a Shield Tanker because shield tanks are strong against explosive damage. I killed the driver out of a logistics LAV and I decided to destroy his LAV, I threw down a nanohive and it took 6 packed AV nades to destroy it.

6 to destroy an LAV how many to destroy a HAV 7?

Tbh, I think AV is fine where it is atm, and this is coming from a dedicated Gunnlogi pilot. I say this for two reasons:

1. We currently only have access to the Militia and Standard variants of tanks, as well as the Enforcers. Enforcers are (supposed to be) glass cannons, while the standard version exists to provide a balance between tank and gank. I'm waiting for our Marauders to come back to really lean one way or the other, but so far I see proto AV going against standard equipment.

2. A lot of tank drivers are idiots. Seriously. I see many people drive these things out into the open and start firing at individuals like they're a solo pubstoming infantry meatgrinder. These will be the guys that get snuck up on, blown up (I sometimes wonder what the severity of QQ would be if we had a C4 equivalent), and then come here to tell us that "I died. They too stronk". I find that my survivability is almost assured if I stay with the group (hell, sometimes I'll lag behind a bit) and have a backup plan ready instead of flooring it in reverse.

oh and charlotte ..do you has a specced falchion yet.?? ide like to match a specced falshion vs 1 adv swarm and adv av nades....2 adv swarm and adv flux..hmu on enjin

1 .the mlt baloch should become limited and restock able at mlt isk prices upon graduation of scrub academy.
2. the hp a mlt is capable of having now with liittle to no skills is far to much the mlt lavs should have been excluded from the buffs.
3. the infinite bolach only pushes people away from speccing into a decent lav
4. ..considering av nerf.....tanks hp modules need a buff the heavy azeotropic shield extender should offer somewhere around 3200-4 k hp ...shield tanks need higher end regens and tanks in general need they're protos....
5. myself and a friend of mine who is specced fully gallente are currently testing av...well we will be again in a few hours my ps3 ylod..is in repair shopbut anyways..we find that even with me fully specced av in a proto suit running stnd av it iseven and balanced it would take 2 skilled or 3-5 unskilled adv av people to wipe out a fully specced maddy ..assuming the use STANDARD WEAPONS. ...as far as av grenade spamming goes ccp has fixed it....we have only 3 av nades i have proto nano's and sometimes they dont work at all being glitchy and all...but when they are working they do not resupply at a rate that makes nade spamm viable anymore when running solo..
the fact is tanks are bad atm because of module unbalance between caldari and gallente..and lack of proto equivalence.

i don't believe in enforcer tanks because I've never been killed by one. It's always the maddy's that get me.

lol, balance

how ccp balances things

1 ~= 2

find the difference double it and add twice to make sure, so we now have 3 and 2

"everyone its been balanced" (if they even bother to tell people its been balanced)
....
i dont get it, we balanced it correctly what is everyone complaining about?

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I agree with mlt LAV getting nerfed/removed but for the love of god AV grenades need a boost! Ive tossed em at some tanks and they barely dmg them at all.

oh and charlotte ..do you has a specced falchion yet.?? ide like to match a specced falshion vs 1 adv swarm and adv av nades....2 adv swarm and adv flux..hmu on enjin

You got a proto tank

Didnt think so. the swarms/forge and others are balanced against the proto tank, so just wait awhile and it will be balanced automagically.

there are no prototype tanks, the realization of it is that the enforcers are CCP's official advanced tanks for now but the tank drivers have set up our own class of systems

Militia Tanks

Falchion & Vayu

Standard Tanks

Sica & Soma

Advanced Tanks

Gunnlogi & Madrugar.

Prototype Tanks

SoonTM

I'm gonna take a wild guess that it was a gunlogi and he had 3 hardeners on at once. if you aren't melting tanks with those, im willing to bet he has a few hardeners on.



And on removing free LAVs: that won't solve the problem. They're still very cheap. Either mlt lavs need an HP nerf or they need to be completely removed and replaced with speeder bikes (much harder to run someone over when you have about .70m of ramming area vs 2m...or 4m with a tank.

AV grenades should not be considered a viable for of AV. They need to be enough to OHK a mlt LAV, yes, but it's ridiculous that 6 people, all equipped with ADV AV grenades, can put out 27,000pts of damage in 3 seconds- no tank can move that fast from a standstill. One AV grenade does ~1500dmg. That is enough to make ANY tank driver back off, i promise you. But multiply that by 3 and you have enough to solo a madrugar- im sure any player worth their salt here has done it. Reducing ADV AV grenade damage down to 600dmg would still wreak havoc on a madrugar (600+0.30(600)), but it would require more teamwork for a squad of ARs to kill a tank. This, however, would give shield tanks an edge. That being said, most tankers can agree that shield tanks need some kind of edge, as they have drastically lower acceleration than an armor tank and cannot rep, harden, or take the same beating as armor tanks can. It would just about level the playing field because (600-0.30(600) is easily shrugged off.

Ultimately, this wouldn't break the tank/av balance bc true AV players still have the power to decimate 95% of tankers before they cause any real damage. Now, the job of having good AV players or rail tanks in PC battles becomes paramount, as no squad of AR users can easily kill an experienced tanker- as it should be.

Any quams about this would come from someone feeling it is unfair that they can't specialize in killing vehicles AND infantry equally as effectively, but that is the point. A forge gunner or professional swarmer spends all of his skill points to kill tanks; he should be extremely important if there is a tank wreaking havoc on his infantry.

The infantry would benefit from these changes because mlt lavs driven by drunk blueberries would just be easy WP; otherwise, the AV/tank balance would become ever closer to the true balance which is needed.

I want to address your "A squad with grenades focusing fire shouldnt destroy a tank"
That idea is ******* ********, if as a tank you let 6 infantry get within range of you for grenades to be effective then you are doing something wrong as a driver
It means you either drove up next to infantry cover, stopped stock still somewhere, went without even token infantry support, or anything else on a list of just being a bad player and driver

If you doing think a squad of players should be able to kill your toy then Ill give you that if you agree to needing a full tank crew to operate it

I'll agree to that when it takes more than one capsuleer to pilot a ship.