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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:32:00 -
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Personally, I think Proto gear is way too cheap as it is right now. IMHO, it should cost roughly 15-20m for a full proto fit (dropsuit, mods and weapons). It would then be given the gravity that I believe CCP was hoping it would have rather than people just running around pubs tossing Proto around like it was water. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
211
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:37:00 -
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@Topher
No offense, but if you're gate-jumping a mining ship into low, you're doing it wrong. Haul that **** into a quiet little corner of low, drop it in the station there and then (here's the kicker) jump clone out. This way you can keep the system quiet as far as gate jumps are concerned on dotlan.
When you want to go mining there, STAY AT YOUR KEYBOARD and KEEP EVE UP FRONT ON YOUR MONITOR. Jumpclone into the system and tank the rats, don't kill them.
Keep these tips in mind and you should be able to mine till your heart's content in relative safety. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
211
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:42:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Personally, I think Proto gear is way too cheap as it is right now. IMHO, it should cost roughly 15-20m for a full proto fit (dropsuit, mods and weapons). It would then be given the gravity that I believe CCP was hoping it would have rather than people just running around pubs tossing Proto around like it was water. I believe that is far too expensive for how quickly you can be killed in DUST. DUST gear should be cheap, just like it is. This allows for players to use prototype gear in public matches without being deathly afraid of losing it. At that price no one would ever use the gear and it would just sit on the market forever.
I disagree, it would still be found in PC and potentially in FW too (if we're getting LP and better rewards that is). It would only disappear from pubs which I don't think is a bad thing.
There is currently very little risk v reward in Dust and if we had a single economy shared between the two, the risk would become even less. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:26:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Personally, I think Proto gear is way too cheap as it is right now. IMHO, it should cost roughly 15-20m for a full proto fit (dropsuit, mods and weapons). It would then be given the gravity that I believe CCP was hoping it would have rather than people just running around pubs tossing Proto around like it was water. I believe that is far too expensive for how quickly you can be killed in DUST. DUST gear should be cheap, just like it is. This allows for players to use prototype gear in public matches without being deathly afraid of losing it. At that price no one would ever use the gear and it would just sit on the market forever. I disagree, it would still be found in PC and potentially in FW too (if we're getting LP and better rewards that is). It would only disappear from pubs which I don't think is a bad thing. There is currently very little risk v reward in Dust and if we had a single economy shared between the two, the risk would become even less. I can't argue that risk would go down, but I think that the risk should go down to meet the current reward for playing any part of DUST.
Again, I have to disagree, if the risk is lessened, then the only barrier to Proto will become SP which will just cause newbs to get faceraped even worse than they do currently. This wouldn't be a good thing for Dust on the whole.
Protogear needs more gravity, not more commonality. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
213
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:44:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:
I believe that is far too expensive for how quickly you can be killed in DUST. DUST gear should be cheap, just like it is. This allows for players to use prototype gear in public matches without being deathly afraid of losing it. At that price no one would ever use the gear and it would just sit on the market forever.
I disagree, it would still be found in PC and potentially in FW too (if we're getting LP and better rewards that is). It would only disappear from pubs which I don't think is a bad thing. There is currently very little risk v reward in Dust and if we had a single economy shared between the two, the risk would become even less. I can't argue that risk would go down, but I think that the risk should go down to meet the current reward for playing any part of DUST. Again, I have to disagree, if the risk is lessened, then the only barrier to Proto will become SP which will just cause newbs to get faceraped even worse than they do currently. This wouldn't be a good thing for Dust on the whole. Protogear needs more gravity, not more commonality. I see your point. Proto gear should be the tech II/III of the DUST world, but until they add more rewarding content for DUST players to participate in I just can't imagine a DUST player shelling out 15 - 20 million ISK for a dropsuit fitting. I usually spawn in DUST with a meta 1 dropsuit and a meta 5 weapon to save some cash. My scrambler pistol still rips through the most tanky prototypes out there. If they were to make a dropsuit fit cost 15 - 20 mil, that dropsuit had better be able to wreck anyone in militia with a couple shots. Think about someone attacking an Ishtar with a Merlin. The Ishtar should win. I just don't think prototype gear preforms that well to cost that much.
Personally, I think that protogear should be the T3 of Dust. Design it the same basic way as Strategic Cruisers in Eve, give each item X number of subsystems and let us customize how our proto gear is set up and bonused. It should have the potential to be much better than it currently is, though it should also be significantly more expensive.
ADV should be the T2 and STD should be the T1 versions. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.25 22:18:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote:
Of course EVE players want protosuits to cost more... why wouldnt they?
These two guys pushing this 10-20mil a protosuit probably want to manufacture. One more reason CCP shouldnt listen to spaceship nerds when it comes to making their FPS.
Actually, CCP should listen to the Eve players for this stuff. Why? Because those "two guys" you're referring to are not the only ones wanting to manufacture and sell. Remember, New Eden is all about market competition. Just because a player in Eve wants to sell you a 10 million ISK 'Thale' sniper rifle it doesn't mean that will be the new price. The price will be dependent on several factors listed below: 1. Supply: The greater the supply, the lower the cost. 2. Demand: The greater the demand, the higher the price. 3. Competition: If I'm selling a 'Thale' for 10 million ISK in Eve, there will always be another player in Eve who wants to sell for a fraction of that price thus stealing my customers while undercutting me. 4. Ease of production: It will depend heavily on how easy it is to produce the items. In Eve, I can produce 100 destroyers with no problem (cheap ships) but I will have a problem trying to produce even 10 interdictors (expensive ships). 5. Availability of materials needed for production: Do you have a tight control on the material or is the material something others can get readily? 6. How much is the buyer willing to pay and how badly do they need it? ^ This. Even if I wanted to make my DUST experience more expensive, I couldn't.
Maken has got a point Cyn, if I were the only one that could manufacture Proto suits, you'd be paying a damn sight more than 10-20m ISK per suit.
****, if I were the only one, I'd keep a stable of protoscrubs as my own personal lapdogs just feeding their addictions on the cheap while gouging everyone else. |
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