Looks like somebody forgot their logibro today

Though if you're talking about TARs then I agree.

I don't usually complain on game forums about stuff being overpowered or underpowered but. The AR's need a nerf they chew through my heavy before I can even get half their shields down. It makes the game unenjoyable and might actually stop playing because of it. I just want to be able to go toe to toe with these guys I don't even stand a chance.

Opps I missed the "T" yeah I'm talking TARs even with a logi they tear through me like I'm nothing.

How close were they and what dropsuit where they using? Granted, it already sounds like a Caldari.

Usually, engaging heavies at range is the only safe way to do it. I've killed my fair share, but I'm not going anywhere near them unless their back is turned and I have my knives on me.

I'm a Scout with 160hp shield.. and you can't even get half my of shields down, because i use an AR ? ... maybe you should get better ? yes ?

I'm a Scout with 160hp shield.. and you can't even get half my of shields down, because i use an AR ? ... maybe you should get better ? yes ?

Perhaps it has something to do with the speed of the kill... as opposed to the ability level of your opponent?

Opps I missed the "T" yeah I'm talking TARs even with a logi they tear through me like I'm nothing.

It's all ARs, they out DPS every weapon in the game. This is intentional for some reason because everything else keeps getting nerfed.

What got nerfed while the ARs didn't? Only thing I can think of is laser rifles which did need to happen but was over-corrected. Also ARs did get nerfed at the same time with range.

I've tried all ARs and gone up against all ARs, the only one that needs fixing is the TAR. Did you ever perhaps think that since ARs are the general go-to weapon that there are simply more players who spec'd into them (and would of regardless of how powerful they are). More players using a weapon means more chance of a good player using a weapon. Don't call for a nerf because the player is good.

Thanks for clarifying that you meant Tactical version, lol cuz I was about to go aggro. The regular AR's are fine. The tactical Duvolle definitely needs either hipfire dispersion or damage nerfed. it sounds like you are getting out-ranged for the most part. friday nights are pretty active corp wise and i don't think we've squadded up yet. i'll roll w ya if you get on this evening and show you how to counter it.

TARS just need the 10% damage buff taken back off and they should be fine

What got nerfed while the ARs didn't? Only thing I can think of is laser rifles which did need to happen but was over-corrected. Also ARs did get nerfed at the same time with range.

I've tried all ARs and gone up against all ARs, the only one that needs fixing is the TAR. Did you ever perhaps think that since ARs are the general go-to weapon that there are simply more players who spec'd into them (and would of regardless of how powerful they are). More players using a weapon means more chance of a good player using a weapon. Don't call for a nerf because the player is good.

What got nerfed while the ARs didn't? Only thing I can think of is laser rifles which did need to happen but was over-corrected. Also ARs did get nerfed at the same time with range.

I've tried all ARs and gone up against all ARs, the only one that needs fixing is the TAR. Did you ever perhaps think that since ARs are the general go-to weapon that there are simply more players who spec'd into them (and would of regardless of how powerful they are). More players using a weapon means more chance of a good player using a weapon. Don't call for a nerf because the player is good.

I know that Heavy Machine Guns got nerfed on damage and range. I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

HMG, Shotgun, MD, lasers and scrambler pistols all took a damage or utility hit. HMG got double nerfed in DPS and range, shotguns got a wider spread, MD got damage/radius nerf with the nanohive nerf starving the weapon, lasers tickle and taste like lemon and scrambler pistols lost the headshot multiplier. I wouldn't expect you to keep up with this stuff since the HMG was the only one that was listed on the patch notes, the rest were ninja nerfed. I didn't even know about half of these until I found out from friends and on the forums.
The removal of sharpshooter wasn't an AR nerf, it was the removal of a game breaking mechanic that affected all weapons. While everything else was nerfed to laughable levels, the AR stayed the same. But when the 10% damage boost came in, the AR didn't need the full 10% (maybe only 5%) and the TAR sure as hell didn't need it. We didn't even have a problem with the TAR until after that damage buff.
Want to know why 90% of our players run around with the AR? It's not because it's not because it's a good weapon. It's because it's the only good weapon because everything else is ****.

EVERYTHING else is ****? lol.. dude common sense should tell you that you just suck with everything else if other people can kill things just fine with snipers/FG's/MD's/SCR's/flaylocks/etc..

Opps I missed the "T" yeah I'm talking TARs even with a logi they tear through me like I'm nothing.

The most recent weapon to receive a buff was the HMG is I recall correctly. While every weapon got a 10% damage buff (besides the flaylock and plasma cannon for stupid reasons I'm sure), the HMG got another 10% damage buff (so 20% total) and a decrease to dispersion.

I don't usually complain on game forums about stuff being overpowered or underpowered but. The AR's need a nerf they chew through my heavy before I can even get half their shields down. It makes the game unenjoyable and might actually stop playing because of it. I just want to be able to go toe to toe with these guys I don't even stand a chance.

So don't fret OP, I feel your pain. I just hope CCP realizes how much damage the TAR is doing to this game and making new player's leave. Pretty soon all that's going to be left are corps from PC playing their game TAC 514. It needs a nerf, pronto.

Be careful what you say about the TAR around these forums. You will get shunned by glorified users of that gun.

I wrote a whole essay as to why it needs to be nerfed and got called an idiot for it. Basically I said this game is turning into Halo (Battle Rifle/DMR) with only one weapon in mind. I tried explaining that there are whole corps pubstomping New players in instant battle to feel elitist with that easy mode gun.

OP, I have been here since the the start of the open beta, have over 5mil SP, and it was never like this before the uprising build. Players where actually using all types of weapons and all the TAR needed was a slight buff, not this mega-op-buff we have now.
Top corps abuse this broken gun and they know it. Mostly if not all the players are using that one weapon, something is wrong.

I found that if I select instant battle (skirmish) you will find that none of these big corps are playing that game mode because that's all there is in Planetary Conquest. They are mostly playing the ambush game modes. Funny thing is that I was having more fun playing with either non-player corps or small corps that can't compete against large corps in PC, and hardly anyone was using the TAR. Once again, the gun game felt balanced. I was getting one shotted from multiple angles, and actually had a chance.

So don't fret OP, I feel your pain. I just hope CCP realizes how much damage the TAR is doing to this game and making new player's leave. Pretty soon all that's going to be left are corps from PC playing their game TAC 514. It needs a nerf, pronto.

A near pointless buff since the HMG's wide dispersion and significantly reduced range means that 9/10 times you're dead before anyone is even in your range.

Perhaps then you should change your play style so you avoid encounters with enemies over great distances? Avoid large open areas and if you must cross one then either do so in a vehicle or with a squad.

Heavies are deadly when used in the right situations.

I actually read that post of your about the game becoming like halo and I have to agree with you on it. But I don't want to attack the CCP because I think they are trying their best but I'm pretty sure this company is brand new to fps so it will take them time to understand lol. But I hope it get nerfed soon.

What got nerfed while the ARs didn't? Only thing I can think of is laser rifles which did need to happen but was over-corrected. Also ARs did get nerfed at the same time with range.

I've tried all ARs and gone up against all ARs, the only one that needs fixing is the TAR. Did you ever perhaps think that since ARs are the general go-to weapon that there are simply more players who spec'd into them (and would of regardless of how powerful they are). More players using a weapon means more chance of a good player using a weapon. Don't call for a nerf because the player is good.

By all means, I'm not attacking CCP, and I love this game because it (was) so different then your average FPS(Halo, COD, BF). I was just trying to let them know that the game is unbalanced right now with that weapon and something needs to be done quick before New players start leaving in droves. Everytime I'm put up against one of these corps, the game is over with a loss and potential bad KDR, before it even started.

So, I say to the new players that are reading this, go into instant battle skirmish, since PC and FW only have that game mode. They are either playing one of the ambush modes or domination. You will see less TAC users and have a fighting chance. It feels balanced when your not playing against a whole team of TAC users.

I don't usually complain on game forums about stuff being overpowered or underpowered but. The AR's need a nerf they chew through my heavy before I can even get half their shields down. It makes the game unenjoyable and might actually stop playing because of it. I just want to be able to go toe to toe with these guys I don't even stand a chance.

Guns don't kill... Players do.

Here's an idea:

How about everyone try and play to the specialization they pick instead of claiming imbalance because it doesn't do better at the assault role than Assault suits.

Know what happens to a Proto Assault Suit with a Duvolle Tac AR when it runs around a corner and a Proto Sentinel is standing there with a Boundless HMG?

It dies. Hard.

Know what happens to a Proto Assault Suit with a Duvolle Tac AR when it runs around a corner and a Proto Sentinel is standing there with a Boundless HMG?

It dies. Hard.

Ok I understand now. TAR makes the game like I said earlier unenjoyable.

The tar is pretty aweful in close range engagements.

Thats why most Tar users try to outrange people. Or use a SMG for close in fire.

If your in a heavy suit, out in the open and run towards someone with a tar YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Infact you shouln't expect to live. I would argue that any heavy one v one verses any other suit in the open should lose.

This is not rocket science.

Seems like everyone in this game wants thier pet fitting to Masta cheef everything and cry nerf when they die in rediculious circumstances.

Ive seen some really dumb heavies running about in the open expecting thier suit to somehow make them immune from bullets. A heavy is for objective protection the extra hitpoints is allow you to survive against multiple opponents not give you carte blache to run about the map like a mech. If you do that, you will also die.

When the TAR gets nerfed you'll all just complain about another gun you die a lot from. Probably the Duvalle assault rifle.

Its pointless. Just suck it up.

The tar is pretty aweful in close range engagements.

Thats why most Tar users try to outrange people. Or use a SMG for close in fire.

If your in a heavy suit, out in the open and run towards someone with a tar YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Infact you shouln't expect to live. I would argue that any heavy one v one verses any other suit in the open should lose.

This is not rocket science.

Seems like everyone in this game wants thier pet fitting to Masta cheef everything and cry nerf when they die in rediculious circumstances.

Ive seen some really dumb heavies running about in the open expecting thier suit to somehow make them immune from bullets. A heavy is for objective protection the extra hitpoints is allow you to survive against multiple opponents not give you carte blache to run about the map like a mech. If you do that, you will also die.

When the TAR gets nerfed you'll all just complain about another gun you die a lot from. Probably the Duvalle assault rifle.

Its pointless. Just suck it up.

This post is not about heavy's and their HMG(which was recently buffed). They are fine now for their intended role. It's about the TAC being able to kill faster at any range then any weapon in the game sans the Sniper rifle, plama cannon or forge gun. Two of those is meant for vehicles. Read my last post for a better example as to why it needs a nerf.

Also the duvolle AR is actually on par with the cradium(forgot name) Assault scrambler rifle, so no complaints there.

Another thread with people complaining about something when nothing is wrong..

CCP does not care about the heavy suit or the HMG at all. We will eventually have to accept it. They only care about the AR and the medium suits. That's it. The scout and heavy suit along with most other if not all other weapons are unimportant to CCP. As long as the AR and medium suits are the most powerful, they will consider Dust working as expected.

I don't usually complain on game forums about stuff being overpowered or underpowered but. The AR's need a nerf they chew through my heavy before I can even get half their shields down. It makes the game unenjoyable and might actually stop playing because of it. I just want to be able to go toe to toe with these guys I don't even stand a chance.

The problem is the amount of tank a medium suit can fit. Not the power of the weapon that it carries. If they reduced the shields and armor of a few of the proto medium suits then their weapons wouldn't be so OP in a head on gunbattle. If you get picked off from the side though and are not firing at your attacker then it doesn't matter what weapon they are using.

I don't usually complain on game forums about stuff being overpowered or underpowered but. The AR's need a nerf they chew through my heavy before I can even get half their shields down. It makes the game unenjoyable and might actually stop playing because of it. I just want to be able to go toe to toe with these guys I don't even stand a chance.

AR's don't out DPS every weapon.
Scrambler rifle has the same DPS.
SMG has more DPS (secondary weapon lol)
HMG has more DPS


Any other weapon is not MEANT to out DPS an AR.

TAR however, is ridiculous.
It needs to have the same fire rate as the DMR from Halo Reach.

vage vage vage...
wah wah wah.


it's not the gun
it's the player


you get beat by better players and you blame the guns.

Peace
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TARS just need the 10% damage buff taken back off and they should be fine