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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
570
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:29:00 -
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TL:DR - PC turns a fun game into a high pressure chore. What can be done to alleviate this?
For those bothered to read on, please allow me to tell you the story of RIFT in Planetary Conquest...
For weeks, if not months before Uprising we at RIFT were extremely excited to play PC. We knew we had enough good enough players and the wallets to back ourselves up. We joined a sizable alliance and grabbed a handful of districts on day 1.
Initially, we did very well and held our ground (with some help from our allies and other friends). The excitement lasted roughly 5 days - we even had decent numbers getting up or staying up until 5am to play the horrible timers we had picked up. Up to Monday we had gone 7 - 2 in all our battles (with one of those losses being due to Grief Uni and we still almost won that one).
Then, we managed to change all our RTs to sensible times when we generally had the most players on and things started to go downhill rather quickly. Suddenly, we realised that less and less people were coming online for the battles. Most of our alliance districts were failing and everyone seemed to have lost interest.
What I put it down to? Player burnout. The initial excitement of something new and fun wore off and suddenly everyone realised that they would have to be on at the same time every single day to defend our districts. The game we all loved playing so much had become a daily mandatory event - almost like a job! People don't like that kind of pressure. At least not for days and days on end. People lost interest.
Now, I fully understand that PC is not meant for casual players and small - medium sized corps are always going to struggle but my point with this post is far more fundamental than that: how can we make Planetary Conquest more fun and less chore-like? |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
570
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:30:00 -
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My initial thought was that the 24 hour timer is somehow a factor here but I really have no ideas for an alternative set up that would actually work.
Any thoughts anyone? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
410
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:32:00 -
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... Needs a TL;DR - I'm too drunk for this kitten. |
TheReaper852
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
80
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:34:00 -
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Sounds like your corp made a big mistake on day 1 of PC. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4558
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:34:00 -
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Recruit more players. |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
374
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:35:00 -
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PC might not be a good fit for you then.
PC made a lot of people/corps realize they were not as good as they thought they were based on pub matches.
Rely on your allies more. Or get better allies. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
131
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:35:00 -
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Constant battles. means burn out. means losing districts. means attacking again. means constant battles. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
475
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:38:00 -
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Persistent war means burnout for people who don't have the fortitude for it.
Sounds like its not for you.
Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4560
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:39:00 -
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Face it.
One day you may bet getting involved in a WAR that last years and the worst part of that WAR is that even though your team wants to quit, the WAR does not want to quit until every single last piece of dirt is take and every single flag is burned. |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
345
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:41:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Constant battles. means burn out. means losing districts. means attacking again. means constant battles.
Means burnout. means gaining districts. means loosing them again. means burnout! |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1590
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Recruit more players.
I think you should have the option to lock your districts by making production negative. So a +80 district would become -80 per day, but cannot be attacked or resupplied. If it drops below 0, it becomes an unclaimed district. Can only be done when the district is unlocked. So if you need a weekend off, you can throw away your profits and take a breather. |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
375
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:43:00 -
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Have your guys who want to play casually only sick to RIFT and have your guys that want to fight in the intense battles of PC join Ill Omens 
We are cycling all of our members through our PC fights (unless it's against SI) so they won't get shunned just for being new. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1590
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Face it.
One day you may bet getting involved in a WAR that last years and the worst part of that WAR is that even though your team wants to quit, the WAR does not want to quit until every single last piece of dirt is take and every single flag is burned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce
Doesn't mean you have to log on EVERY SINGLE DAY. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:44:00 -
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Call a CTA to get people to turn up.
Get everyone using IRC/Jabber/Skype
Kick people who don't turn up for CTA's
Then you will..... oh wait, forgot where I was for a moment nvm.
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
570
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:45:00 -
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The point here is that this really fun part of the game is actually a giant chore. A game shouldn't feel like a chore - that's why so many people got up in arms over the daily cap last build. |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
95
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:46:00 -
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Sontie wrote:PC might not be a good fit for you then.
PC made a lot of people/corps realize they were not as good as they thought they were based on pub matches.
Rely on your allies more. Or get better allies.
in general it made people realize how important grinding for proto gear is, and i think a lot of people just don't want to do boring **** for weeks or months just to compete
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
300
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:49:00 -
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It's to bad American players didn't do what all the EURO's did and blue up every other EURO corp participating in PC. Must be nice to not have anyone red ever online during their timers. Must be fun. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1458
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Recruit more players.
Into a feeder corp obviously  |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
376
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:54:00 -
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grinding. for. protogear?
grinding?
You play this game right? You get SP while you play, right? I play alts after I hit my cap and I don't have boosters and yet I have 9.6 mil sp. Proto stuff.
You NEED proto gear to play in PC, sure, but who's surprised. PC is late game content in the world of mmo's. If your not level 80 yet, don't try to hang with the big boys. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
570
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:55:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense.
But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in. |
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Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
116
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:58:00 -
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Not sure what the issue is, if you hit SP cap each weak you have to play quite a bit. Why not have some PC in the mix of a bunch of pub matches. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
575
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:59:00 -
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I think that is where larger corps with active members would reduce individual workload. I have thought about how much work having a district is as something of a job though til you can make it part time through multiple teams. It should be work though. |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
4
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Recruit more players.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1757
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:33:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense. But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.
You guys did badly against us in that last match, I heard you only got 7 players on the field. |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:37:00 -
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That could easily have been because of the bugs associated with PC. We've had some weaker corps think they could take us because of victories handed to them by PC bugs. |
Heavy Breaks
Ill Omens
EoN.
53
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:42:00 -
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Sontie wrote:That could easily have been because of the bugs associated with PC. We've had some weaker corps think they could take us because of victories handed to them by PC bugs.
Boy did they learn they were wrong.  |
BMSTUBBYxx
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:45:00 -
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TO be honest I feel that it is just the game its self that is causing burnout.
To much nerf this buff that and lets not kid ourselves, TAC AR 514 is just that boring and broke its self.
I have burn out on this game big time.
PC is a job and jobs suck.
DUST sucks its boring and broke.
It use to be fun now its not fun hence we get burnout. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3250
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:48:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense. But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.
Confirming we evicted the rest of Orion from Tartatven in a week.
OT: read, like, post feedback. its my PC feedback thread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80441&find=unread |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:50:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense. But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.
in space things have been going bad for orion. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1390
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:53:00 -
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Until there's a reason to actually control these districts, there's little reason for players in corporations to care about PC. it doesn't help that the mode is damn near unplayable with the amount of lag and awful framerates. Add the terrible gun balance that becomes more and more apparent as you work your way up the SP ladder, and you're left with a stressful, pointless, one dimensional, ISK sink that isn't any fun to "play" and gives no benefit for doing well in. |
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