Constant battles. means burn out. means losing districts. means attacking again. means constant battles.

Recruit more players.

Face it.

One day you may bet getting involved in a WAR that last years and the worst part of that WAR is that even though your team wants to quit, the WAR does not want to quit until every single last piece of dirt is take and every single flag is burned.

PC might not be a good fit for you then.

PC made a lot of people/corps realize they were not as good as they thought they were based on pub matches.

Rely on your allies more. Or get better allies.

Recruit more players.

Of course, you could also be having fewer members log on due to a sharp morale drop. You ARE kind of getting your asses kicked, no offense.

Recruit more players.

But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.

That could easily have been because of the bugs associated with PC. We've had some weaker corps think they could take us because of victories handed to them by PC bugs.

But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.

But we weren't getting our asses kicked first. People lost interest and then we got our asses kicked. I can't speak for what happened to the rest of Orion but our guys were easily holding our own before the chore bore in.

i see you guys QQing as soon as Tritan beat you. you held your own against some other corps in are alliance but AS SOON as you lose you wine

It's to bad American players didn't do what all the EURO's did and blue up every other EURO corp participating in PC. Must be nice to not have anyone red ever online during their timers. Must be fun.

Your alliance is there to help fill in for people who are not on. If you can't even get 7 to 10 people on a night, you shouldn't be in PC anyways.

I intentionally spend relatively little time playing pub matches just so I don't burn out. PC battles are so much more fun it's not really comparable anyway.

By the way, 187. is enjoying your district quite a bit. :)

i see you guys QQing as soon as Tritan beat you. you held your own against some other corps in are alliance but AS SOON as you lose you wine

Face it.

One day you may bet getting involved in a WAR that last years and the worst part of that WAR is that even though your team wants to quit, the WAR does not want to quit until every single last piece of dirt is take and every single flag is burned.

TL:DR - PC turns a fun game into a high pressure chore. What can be done to alleviate this?

For those bothered to read on, please allow me to tell you the story of RIFT in Planetary Conquest...

For weeks, if not months before Uprising we at RIFT were extremely excited to play PC. We knew we had enough good enough players and the wallets to back ourselves up. We joined a sizable alliance and grabbed a handful of districts on day 1.

Initially, we did very well and held our ground (with some help from our allies and other friends). The excitement lasted roughly 5 days - we even had decent numbers getting up or staying up until 5am to play the horrible timers we had picked up. Up to Monday we had gone 7 - 2 in all our battles (with one of those losses being due to Grief Uni and we still almost won that one).

Then, we managed to change all our RTs to sensible times when we generally had the most players on and things started to go downhill rather quickly. Suddenly, we realised that less and less people were coming online for the battles. Most of our alliance districts were failing and everyone seemed to have lost interest.

What I put it down to? Player burnout. The initial excitement of something new and fun wore off and suddenly everyone realised that they would have to be on at the same time every single day to defend our districts. The game we all loved playing so much had become a daily mandatory event - almost like a job! People don't like that kind of pressure. At least not for days and days on end. People lost interest.

Now, I fully understand that PC is not meant for casual players and small - medium sized corps are always going to struggle but my point with this post is far more fundamental than that: how can we make Planetary Conquest more fun and less chore-like?

You know something that we grunts dont know?

Dude, don't be an arse... it's not QQ, I don't know where you got that idea in your tiny mind... Django is giving serious information and I support what he's saying about PC being a job and all that, I've already played other games with similar conquest and territory holding mechanics, it was fun at the start but soon it became a job, something repetitive, not fun and very stressful. DUST is following the same path unless they "upgrade" PC somehow to make it more exciting, and I'm not only talking about fixing the lag and the low fps, several new mechanics are needed if we want to have a positive experience in PC.

Have your guys who want to play casually only sick to RIFT and have your guys that want to fight in the intense battles of PC join Ill Omens

We are cycling all of our members through our PC fights (unless it's against SI) so they won't get shunned just for being new.

TL:DR - PC turns a fun game into a high pressure chore. What can be done to alleviate this?

For those bothered to read on, please allow me to tell you the story of RIFT in Planetary Conquest...

For weeks, if not months before Uprising we at RIFT were extremely excited to play PC. We knew we had enough good enough players and the wallets to back ourselves up. We joined a sizable alliance and grabbed a handful of districts on day 1.

Initially, we did very well and held our ground (with some help from our allies and other friends). The excitement lasted roughly 5 days - we even had decent numbers getting up or staying up until 5am to play the horrible timers we had picked up. Up to Monday we had gone 7 - 2 in all our battles (with one of those losses being due to Grief Uni and we still almost won that one).

Then, we managed to change all our RTs to sensible times when we generally had the most players on and things started to go downhill rather quickly. Suddenly, we realised that less and less people were coming online for the battles. Most of our alliance districts were failing and everyone seemed to have lost interest.

What I put it down to? Player burnout. The initial excitement of something new and fun wore off and suddenly everyone realised that they would have to be on at the same time every single day to defend our districts. The game we all loved playing so much had become a daily mandatory event - almost like a job! People don't like that kind of pressure. At least not for days and days on end. People lost interest.

Now, I fully understand that PC is not meant for casual players and small - medium sized corps are always going to struggle but my point with this post is far more fundamental than that: how can we make Planetary Conquest more fun and less chore-like?

I think many of the comments on this thread reflect a loss of perspective on the OP. I'm not complaining that PC isn't for us. I'm not QQing about anything at all, let alone the fact that we are on a bit of a losing streak.

I'm simply pointing out that the structure of this game mode makes it inherently chore-like. Now a small minority of Dust's playerbase may enjoy a rigid job-like structure but when PC is the only thing we really have to aim for in this game, it needs to be more fun and less chore or a huge majority of the playerbase will never even try it.

I think one good solution will be to include an actual raiding mechanic that doesn't require 80M isk just to send an attack. Many corps have neither the will nor ability to hold land but still would love to be part of PC and play the awesomely fun battles. You could have a system whereby a district can be attacked at any time and attacks cost 500k isk per player to launch but can never result in the district being lost - perhaps a successful raid destroys a small percentage of clones (rather than the current 150 minimum) and/or reduces production. To make this not too unbalanced for defenders a mechanic could be included that prevents raids when less than a certain number of corp members are online.

You guys did badly against us in that last match, I heard you only got 7 players on the field.

There was 3 RIFT in the last PC battle we played... rest was all ringers.

Django your own words near enough - "PC is endgame stuff"

Our corp cant compete.
I was last of the management (and i'm new to the management) on trying to pull things together. People have been complaining about the timers because if that was our most active time, there was a point where it was me 2 dust players and a eve player.



Yes thats true. Only 4 men were from R.i.f.t the rest was what i could get from the alliance we had all just came out of a fight with The tritan industries. Not many wanted to stay as they didn't want to throw ISK into a loosing team again and i only had about 2 mins to grab people before the players entered the battle field. At 1 point i thought it was going to be just 2 people on our side and damn it i would of been there even if it was just me running into 16 guys, 2 tanks and a dropship trying to salvage what honor we have left. You don't show up to PC if your not prepared to give it your all....



We only had 4 players on at the time and 1 was a eve player. I tried my best to get teams from the alliance and i think we did well considering that everything was rushed.

The point here is that this really fun part of the game is actually a giant chore. A game shouldn't feel like a chore - that's why so many people got up in arms over the daily cap last build.

I think you should have the option to lock your districts by making production negative. So a +80 district would become -80 per day, but cannot be attacked or resupplied. If it drops below 0, it becomes an unclaimed district. Can only be done when the district is unlocked. So if you need a weekend off, you can throw away your profits and take a breather.

The game we all loved playing so much had become a daily mandatory event - almost like a job! People don't like that kind of pressure. At least not for days and days on end. People lost interest.

I'm sorry but this thread is dumb.

If you can't field a decent # of squads of people to defend your districts, then don't try to capture any.

I haven't fought any PC battles and my corp owns districts. We have enough people that I don't even have to show up or even care.

See, no burnout here, because I don't care.

Problem is Corps can keep using the same team for every game. we need a fatigue or stamina stat which determines how many games a Merc can participate in PC, like each character can only take part in one or two games every 24 hours. This means Corps are forced to let their other members have a go and also means Corps can't just rely on 16 people to hold their hands like I noticed at least ONE corp doing.

Good for you. FYI we beat your corp off our districts twice, so were perfectly capable of defending our land before people got fed up of the daily chore it had become.

The point here is that this really fun part of the game is actually a giant chore. A game shouldn't feel like a chore - that's why so many people got up in arms over the daily cap last build.

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I think many of the comments on this thread reflect a loss of perspective on the OP. I'm not complaining that PC isn't for us. I'm not QQing about anything at all, let alone the fact that we are on a bit of a losing streak.

I'm simply pointing out that the structure of this game mode makes it inherently chore-like. Now a small minority of Dust's playerbase may enjoy a rigid job-like structure but when PC is the only thing we really have to aim for in this game, it needs to be more fun and less chore or a huge majority of the playerbase will never even try it.

If daily territorial wars aren't you thing you may want to look towards the revamped corp battle system that's supposedly on the horizon. It'll have the same organized competitive feel without the daily obligation. Suggest whatever changes you'd want for PC to feel less 'chore-like' for that game mode while it's still being worked on.

As for PC...this one part of the game is meant to be a chore-it's part of what makes it different from the otherwise very similar alternative game modes. The obvious suggestions have been given for you to relieve the burnout obligation of logging on daily (recruit more, join an alliance) but I dont think you should expect PC to be made less chore-like. If anything I'd expect changes will be made that make holding districts harder rather than more relaxed

PC in it's (limited size) early implementation will only be viable for people that play pretty much every day already and will continue to do so. It should lighten up when it is expanded upon giving the playerbase access to many more planets/districts than the current strangle-holding alliances can manage. Til then PC territory will be in high demand/low supply requiring anyone that holds a district to defend it frequently-get friends to do it for them-or lose it.

Good for you. FYI we beat your corp off our districts twice, so were perfectly capable of defending our land before people got fed up of the daily chore it had become.

High demand and low supply is the way it is supposed to be for districts to stay a true asset. If supply exceeds demand, no one would want to fight over things, then what's he point?

Problem is Corps can keep using the same team for every game. we need a fatigue or stamina stat which determines how many games a Merc can participate in PC, like each character can only take part in one or two games every 24 hours. This means Corps are forced to let their other members have a go and also means Corps can't just rely on 16 people to hold their hands like I noticed at least ONE corp doing.

Recruit more players.

As a wild guess, I would say he is referring to the wars in EVE, which we are already starting to become a part of, and will only become a larger part.

Wars between big Alliances can last, and have lasted, literally years.

Yeah, but the fights are so infrequent they literally have to be staged. Null is a big blue blog in EVE and the "war" is about as meaningful as Oceania vs Eurasia.

Problem is Corps can keep using the same team for every game. we need a fatigue or stamina stat which determines how many games a Merc can participate in PC, like each character can only take part in one or two games every 24 hours. This means Corps are forced to let their other members have a go and also means Corps can't just rely on 16 people to hold their hands like I noticed at least ONE corp doing.