I did some tests and I can press the mouse about 60 times in 10 seconds. Thats 360 rounds per minute.

If the ROF of the TAC AR is changed to 360-450, that would make running a modded controller pointless.

Most of us would rather have only a few try hards run turbo controllers than buffing an already OP weapon so ppl would not need the mod controller.

Most of us would rather have only a few try hards run turbo controllers than buffing an already OP weapon so ppl would not need the mod controller.

It suffers significant range falloff after 60 meters, with a hard max range of 90 meters. Most snipers don't get anywhere near this close.

If you ARE one of those rare combat snipers, I love you.

A sniper has 2 roles: 1) to defend an objective from an onslaught of soldiers at a distance (as in seeing enemies rushing to your objective) and 2) provide cover fire/clearing the way for assault players to rush an objective.

On skirmish, the Objectives are tightly knit together that a TAR can close the gap between objectives very easy, forcing snipers to hide much further to avoid getting killed. Because of this, snipers are useless to the team and have to resort to redlining. I personally objective snipe, moving from one to the other, providing supporting fire, keeping objectives from being taken, and countersniping redliners. However, due to the settle speed of the sniper, objective sniping gets near impossible since TAR users close the range gap very easily.

TAR is only good because the other weapons suck in comparison however there are easy ways to balance the assault rifle while retailing its effectiveness, yet making other weapons effective in their roles.

1. Reduce the range. this make snipers more effective at objective sniping BUT ALSO remove war points when sniping in redline to prevent redline sniping abuse
2. Either A) add a firecap, B) implement a heat build up and overheat mechanic, OR C) reduce the heat buildup on scrambler rifles so that assaults, lazer and scrambler are on par
3. Keep the range slightly further than the HMG, to keep HMG as a defensive role weapon

I think this alone would add variety to the metagame as there would be more viable weapon choices.

OFF TOPIC:

For weapons in general, i would implement the following:

1. Make Assault rifles fully auto and burst only
2. Make Scrambler rifles Semi-auto only and reduce their heat build up
3. Add a sight to lazer rifle

I also have ideas for armor tanking and dropsuits but thats another thread

The TAC can stay the same so long as CCP un nurfs all other AR's ranges.

Current maps are to small to make the sniper v TAC comparison clearly the TAC is the better choice anyone who thinks differently is ignorant.

Combine a TAC with 2 or 3 damage mods < nothing in the game can compete since the TAC has superior range, damage over all other light weapons except the sniper.

Serious fallout, max at 90? Bwahaha Our TAC users can nail injured heavies way more than 90 meters.

Now in defense of TAC's:

It takes skill to actually land shots any were outside 90 meters.
It takes skill to actually land shots up close since your in a "turning fight" with a single shot weapon.
Its not cheap.... They may get a lot of kills outside of your AR's range to even think about fighting back but when they die they die big!

It has a small mag size that one doesn't really matter since anything ( including proto's) with the exception of heavies will go down with less than one mag full of ammo if you have the skill to land viable shots.

Anyway re balance range's of other AR's this will take the "snipe" role away from TAC users making it a true mid range weapon. Aren't AR's mid range weapons? Yes so there is no reason a GEK can't reach out and touch a TAC user. Or for that matter any other AR. If he can hit you, you should be able to score hits on him ( not as accurately of course). There is no AR in the world that has such limited ranges as the ones in this game ( again brings back to maps are to small argument is why we aren't able to score hits out side of 50 meters with an AR due to nurff and trying to be fair to snipers bwaha).

Instead of standing in the open just picking players off they would actually have to hide when being shot back at....

so small mag size, EVERYTHING cept heavies goes down in one mag. That seems like a dps issue. SUPER BULLETS

The TAC can stay the same so long as CCP un nurfs all other AR's ranges.

Current maps are to small to make the sniper v TAC comparison clearly the TAC is the better choice anyone who thinks differently is ignorant.

Combine a TAC with 2 or 3 damage mods < nothing in the game can compete since the TAC has superior range, damage over all other light weapons except the sniper.

Serious fallout, max at 90? Bwahaha Our TAC users can nail injured heavies way more than 90 meters.

Now in defense of TAC's:

It takes skill to actually land shots any were outside 90 meters.
It takes skill to actually land shots up close since your in a "turning fight" with a single shot weapon.
Its not cheap.... They may get a lot of kills outside of your AR's range to even think about fighting back but when they die they die big!

It has a small mag size that one doesn't really matter since anything ( including proto's) with the exception of heavies will go down with less than one mag full of ammo if you have the skill to land viable shots.

Anyway re balance range's of other AR's this will take the "snipe" role away from TAC users making it a true mid range weapon. Aren't AR's mid range weapons? Yes so there is no reason a GEK can't reach out and touch a TAC user. Or for that matter any other AR. If he can hit you, you should be able to score hits on him ( not as accurately of course). There is no AR in the world that has such limited ranges as the ones in this game ( again brings back to maps are to small argument is why we aren't able to score hits out side of 50 meters with an AR due to nurff and trying to be fair to snipers bwaha).

Instead of standing in the open just picking players off they would actually have to hide when being shot back at....

so if we were to increase the range of said AR, wouldn't that make snipers completely useless? and since the maps are so close together, sniping isn't seen as much of an issue, so range shouldn't be an issue as well with the logic of maps being close together. I'm a sniper myself and i just plain hate the fact that the maps are so close together where i have to be within range of a tac. on top of that, a tac itself makes for a better sniper then an actual sniper, without the fear of close quarter combat or switching to a side arm. and when looking at an ammo mag for the tac, 30 is a bit much for a semi auto, non burst AR. that itself can kill at lease 3-5 people before reloading. i don't mind the tac myself, never used it, but i want to see somethings that does support sniping with a sniper, cause lots of maps don't show me that potential without giving something away or blocking off something from sniping view

Snipers should be useless, because snipers are useless to the team

Every map in PC has it's close in areas and far objectives. Snipers are still useful... IF they can hit their target 80% of the time or better. You don't do enough damage to afford to miss.

Snipers should be useless, because snipers are useless to the team

TAR makes snipers useless. it needs a range nerf imo

TAR should be in a different class of weapons. It should be an automatic SR with a short range. It would need a smaller clip size to go with it - 10 to 15 rounds. Think about it: every other game has a semiauto SR, why not DUST? this would make snipers more useful and more interactive. It would also deal with the problem of assaults running up to you and close quarter unload a sniping weapon in your face.

I believe it's an optimum range issue. Not a max range issue. Drop it's optimum a tiny bit, buff other single shot of low ROF weapons optimum slightly.

Edit note: on second thought, don't Nerf it. Make appropriate changes to other guns. We Nerf too easily here.

Damage and range is what makes TAC Rifles TAC Rifles. They need a big accuracy hit when not shouldered in ADS, reason being higher caliber rounds.

Range and damage can stay the same.

Keep the damage, Lose the range. Thats all im saying

Keep the damage, Lose the range. Thats all im saying

Then why have a scope? To be a Kill-boner tease?

Which basically makes it a Burst AR. There's a reason you don't see those around. Although the pointless and obtrusive scope on them doesn't help.

Which basically makes it a Burst AR. There's a reason you don't see those around. Although the pointless and obtrusive scope on them doesn't help.

Nothing has the range of a Sniper rifle. I think you are being dramatic.

There should be an equal close range sniper rifle variant that is basically the same as the TAC but available to snipers.

Good snipers excel at defending objectives, the points that cater to it at least. Lowering the range of TARs isn't going to change which points those are. Bad snipers are just bad snipers.

I can't tell you how many times I've just walked right up to a sniper who was taking potshots at me not 1 minute earlier.

Very much agreed, some kinda nerf anyway and tbh im an assault,but when u get hit from very far away and you get downed in almost 1 sec, that really sounds like a sniper! Sure does feel like it ! If nothing else leave the damage, maybe even the range, but lose the scope...and am I the only person who thinks assault should mainly be about closer range and more so automatics ...cmon people wtf, the best assault in my opinion should be something like the gex...but noooooooo........lets make em have scopes and damage like snipers.......and make out like the single shot firing (super fast at that) makes up for it! My fav weapon would have to be gex and prob douv ass rifle, bc its about the same, cant quite use it yet though. But when I can, unfortunatly I have a feeling ima have to use a tactical! For very obvious reasons!


P.S. People who agree please, assault or not for the sake of truth, hit the like button and lets see something done about this already!

Why not stop whining about it and stop running into the line of fire? The weapon isn't over powered, it's harder to use than Full Auto AR's, I've died many times one on one using the Single Shot AR's.

You people are mistaking skill, in combination with a good weapon, for something being over powered.

Suck it up.