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VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:12:00 -
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But they're wrong. I know we don't know very much about them, but here are the conclusions we can draw based on current knowledge:
1. They can only be occupied by the pilot
2. They are fast
3. They are focused on combat, not transport, repair, or supporive fire
The combat-focused nature of the jet will remove the need for the dropship to be viable, as the jet won't have a reason to play support, and thus the main method of obtaining WP will be getting kills/destructions. This all depends on how strong they actually are, but we can assume that they will fill a fast, airborne anti-infantry/anti-vehicle role.
Actually, jets might be TOO powerful until dropships get fixed. Can you imagien trying to fight one of these off as a pilot?
Anyway, since CCP obviously has been working on them for a long time, let's hope for a release by October ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:24:00 -
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I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow.
They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:30:00 -
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Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?!
They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?!
*dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet!*
........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png) |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:30:00 -
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I forsee jets being the final nail in the coffin for dropships, unless something drastic changes before or when they gone out. |
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mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:42:00 -
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Unless maps become far larger, jets will be useless. They need to be able to fight each other, enemy MCCs, and take on AV roles.
Dropships need to be repaired period. Or why bother having them?
I hope to see all manner of aircraft come to be :) Bombers, Logi aircraft, cloaked spy craft, player controlled drones, etc. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:48:00 -
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Forge Gun > Jet. |
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BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
25
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:56:00 -
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I'd like to see fighters.
Combat aircraft for combat role.
Dropships won't and shouldn't stand a chance against them as a Tansport ship should not kill a combat ship with better guns and meneuverability.
Dropships are meant for transport right? That's how that should be? If they get points for mcru spawns will they stop complaining? So many countless dropship needs fixes threads. It's a transport, it shouldn't be heavily armored like a tank.
If they were intended for a total gunship role I'd see the need for it. I see enough trying to use it that way anyway.
That said if these fighters are for light aircraft category they should be fast and highly maneuverable but low on Health bars but able to do enough damage for a hit and run flyby. |
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CAELAN Andoril
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:10:00 -
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I can see them making two types of jets: Bombers and Fighters [y'know, just like in real life?]. Bombers would be more focused on dominating ground troops and destroying installations, while Fighters will be the ones to make dropships cry. I think one simple thing CCP could do to try and balance dropships against jets would be turret swarm launchers. Or at least vehicle lock-on for the current missile turret [I don't think there's a lock-on, but I don't have much experience with dropships]. So that way dropships have a way to defend themselves against other aerial vehicles. |
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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:14:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:I'd like to see fighters.
Combat aircraft for combat role.
Dropships won't and shouldn't stand a chance against them as a Tansport ship should not kill a combat ship with better guns and meneuverability.
Dropships are meant for transport right? That's how that should be? If they get points for mcru spawns will they stop complaining? So many countless dropship needs fixes threads. It's a transport, it shouldn't be heavily armored like a tank.
If they were intended for a total gunship role I'd see the need for it. I see enough trying to use it that way anyway.
That said if these fighters are for light aircraft category they should be fast and highly maneuverable but low on Health bars but able to do enough damage for a hit and run flyby. Actually, dropships should be tanky, since they need to pick up infantry, sometimes under heavy fire. On the other hand, they shouldn't have much offense. That should be the role of a fighter. |
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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
296
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:15:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:I can see them making two types of jets: Bombers and Fighters [y'know, just like in real life?]. Bombers would be more focused on dominating ground troops and destroying installations, while Fighters will be the ones to make dropships cry. I think one simple thing CCP could do to try and balance dropships against jets would be turret swarm launchers. Or at least vehicle lock-on for the current missile turret [I don't think there's a lock-on, but I don't have much experience with dropships]. So that way dropships have a way to defend themselves against other aerial vehicles. there are fighter/bombers in real life. |
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Makuta Miserix
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
85
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:23:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! *dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet!* ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png)
Warhawk had OP jets.
Starhawk did too, just not on the same level.
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VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:30:00 -
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I have a feeling the Caldari Jet will be much more combat focused, having extremely high speed, and yet being small enough to fly down close to the ground and maneuver through tight spaces. The Gallente, judging by its looks, will probably be focused on hovering and dropping bombs on vehicles or something. |
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Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
86
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Posted - 2013.05.22 00:33:00 -
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Dropships are meant to be transports even when uplinks are planted all over. Dropships are more like helicopters with turrents. Dropships won't stand a chance against jets, but every vehicles have pros and cons. Dropships won't be useless because CCP knows there's many of us with SPs invested in that skill. Otherwise, we would all be clamoring for an optional respec if dropships do really become useless. Personally, I think dropships should be more like air tanks while jets have less armor, but have more speed and firepower. |
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Deadeye Dic
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:52:00 -
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If and when jets come, they will probably be implemented similar to BF3 and DS will play the role of helos. Doesn't matter really, at the end of the day jet's will be OP, DS will be more useless than it is now and we'll have to wait 6 months for any of it to get fixed....lol |
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Aegis Scientiafide
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:55:00 -
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They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. |
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:05:00 -
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they should be glass cannons |
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:31:00 -
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The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret.
2 occupants. |
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:35:00 -
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I cant see it now, tankers bitching about fighters being OP cause they cant pull there turrent that high enough to shoot them down. |
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VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:50:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret.
2 occupants.
That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from:
Gallente Jet
Caldari Jet |
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Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:09:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:Zekain K wrote:The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret.
2 occupants. That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from: Gallente JetCaldari Jet
Holy...the Gallente Jet *DOES* look gorgeous! I wonder if it will be under dropship skill or entirely a new branch in the skill tree. |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:05:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I forsee jets being the final nail in the coffin for dropships, unless something drastic changes before or when they gone out. We may disagree on many things. But this rings disturbingly true.
Since Dropships are such a small element of the game I'm not sure CCP will even be taking any meaningful actions soon with so many other more important things to deal with now. |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:07:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:I cant see it now, tankers bitching about fighters being OP cause they cant pull there turrent that high enough to shoot them down. Maybe they'll get the same response as forge gunners give drop-ships currently
"Derp, IRL aircraft get blowed up by cheap RPG's, and that's more important than game balance so deal with it"
Jets should then respond in kind "DUrp air superiority IRL, bombers > tanks. umad?" |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:10:00 -
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Nguruthos IV wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P LOL +1. You earned it.
Sometimes I wish CCP would just nerf me out of the game. If anything I could stop visiting these forums thereby saving the last vestiges of my humanity.
PS Nguruthos your 25th like is from a Forge Gunner. I am now forever part of you. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:14:00 -
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[title] Everybody always says that jets are going to be useless unless dropships get fixed [/title]
Yes, jets will be useless unless dropships are fixed. How can a jet in Dust 514 be useful if CCP doesn't fix aerial vehicles first! How do you expect to fly anything else in dust until they actually master the physics, the balancing, and the limitations?Sure, lets throw in some more airplanes because obviously they fly and dropships don't....![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:18:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Nguruthos IV wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P LOL +1. You earned it. Sometimes I wish CCP would just nerf me out of the game. If anything I could stop visiting these forums thereby saving the last vestiges of my humanity. PS Nguruthos your 25th like is from a Forge Gunner. I am now forever part of you.
Thanks! I'll never forget you. *hand slips and I fall off the boat |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:20:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:[title] Everybody always says that jets are going to be useless unless dropships get fixed [/title] Yes, jets will be useless unless dropships are fixed. How can a jet in Dust 514 be useful if CCP doesn't fix aerial vehicles first! How do you expect to fly anything else in dust until they actually master the physics, the balancing, and the limitations?Sure, lets throw in some more airplanes because obviously they fly and dropships don't.... ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) we'll just have wait a year for jets to be release
and then another 2 years for them to balance them and fix each of the 5 bugs that came in every successive patch over those two years while they kept nerfing jets and buffing every other vehicle Except jets (and dropships).
If history has anything to say on this matter. |
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:21:00 -
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Seeing the picture of the Gallente fighter next to the HAV again makes me wonder how big gunships are going to be. |
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BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
26
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:25:00 -
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Aegis Scientiafide wrote:They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium. |
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BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:28:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:Zekain K wrote:The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret.
2 occupants. That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from: Gallente JetCaldari Jet The caldari one looks like a F/22 Raptor |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:34:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:Aegis Scientiafide wrote:They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium.
Coulda fooled me.
LAVSs are now more survivable. By a factor or two or three |
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1453
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:34:00 -
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The artwork showed a pilot and a gunner who gets to fire that large belly turret.
It just might add an element of strategy if the ground forces had to take out SAM sites to allow the fighters to operate. Or maybe the A2G fighters will clear out the ground based AV to allow dropships to operate?
It would be nice if all the pieces integrated. |
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omega 015
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Jet.
that reminds me of an rpg hitting a jet. 1 in a million. |
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:39:00 -
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omega 015 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Jet. that reminds me of an rpg hitting a jet. 1 in a million. NOT IN DUST.
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Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
275
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Posted - 2013.05.22 04:42:00 -
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Makuta Miserix wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! *dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet!* ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png) Warhawk had OP jets. Starhawk did too, just not on the same level.
Yeah right. It was a combat triangle.
Jets>Tanks>Infantry>Jets (RPG)
If they made jets on this game exactly like warhawk I would dominate so hard. Self proclaimed best pilot on warhawk.
Bombers should be heavy, fighters should be light. |
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Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:08:00 -
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Well, I don't think current swarm launchers should be adjusted to catch jets... A forge gun should catch a jet depending on his angle of aim. That's probably more appropriate.
Also, I'd go for "Swarm Installation Turrets". 1 lock, 1 set of swarms. It won't lock and fire again, until the first volley makes contact or doesn't. Greater range than handheld swarms, and useful against Dropships/Jets that try to escape by hovering at the flight ceiling.
Also, no harm in making an anti-air single fire stinger-variant launcher. (Maybe a useful variant of the plasma cannon? Something more effective against shield jets?) Fires a single missile, and if the the AA guy gets a good angle AND a lock on a fast-moving jet, the missile can have a proximity detonation.
We can try to better balance effectiveness of these with a distance-to-target variable. The closer the target, the faster the lock, the harder for the target to escape. The further away the target, locking-on becomes slower and increasingly difficult. Even if a weak lock is established, the missile would have a hard time reaching.
Dropships work fine imho currently. They feel heavier, and they ARE sturdier, and the assault variants enable their pilots to fight. Seems good. If there is something about the dropship handling you don't like, I'm sure it will be fixed, but it doesn't have anything to do with jets yet. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
505
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:58:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! *dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet!* ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png)
Jets are always fun. Back in the day cranking up a -60 mini jet engine to spoolup the main engines on the F-4s we had was great!! |
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Night Ward
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:08:00 -
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Aegis Scientiafide wrote:They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light.
Yes! |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
452
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:13:00 -
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Nguruthos IV wrote:BatKing Deltor wrote:Aegis Scientiafide wrote:They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium. Coulda fooled me. LAVSs are now more survivable. By a factor or two or three ground vehicle have more survivable because then don't need to fly.. so medium aircraft=light ground basically and LDS and LLAV have pretty the same survivable. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:18:00 -
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I will spec into jets as soon as they're released, suck or no. They're just too awesome. I don't thik the dropship will be less viable though, they're helicopters after all. They just need more HP to tank forge guns and rails. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:38:00 -
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Nguruthos IV wrote:I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow.
They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support.
Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:49:00 -
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I don't say jets will make dropships useless. I foresee jets being severely effected by AV. AV will wreck them. They will have the sturdiness of an LAV with the exposure of a dropship. I foresee swatting them away with my Assault and still outpacing them. So yeah. Thats my 2 cents. And I will spec into them too lol.
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:52:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Nguruthos IV wrote:I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow.
They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot.
Here you go:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unread
You're a fail troll. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:51:00 -
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Nguruthos IV wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Nguruthos IV wrote:I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow.
They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unreadYou're a fail troll.
Fail troll? I am a Drop Ship pilot and a pretty damn competent one. I make them work. I integrate them into my squads, and I ******* smash with them. I'll talk shop with you all day if you want - but I doubt you've truly flown anything above militia grade. How about you learn more about the craft and its mechanics before you say they are all 'useless'?
Also, people who disagree =/= troll, you mouthbreathing dumbass. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:01:00 -
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How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball? ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:12:00 -
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Yeva Kalsani wrote:How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball? ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
if a DS is MAV, maybe 1 |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:12:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Nguruthos IV wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Nguruthos IV wrote:I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow.
They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unreadYou're a fail troll. Fail troll? I am a Drop Ship pilot and a pretty damn competent one. I make them work. I integrate them into my squads, and I ******* smash with them. I'll talk shop with you all day if you want - but I doubt you've truly flown anything above militia grade. How about you learn more about the craft and its mechanics before you say they are all 'useless'? Also, people who disagree =/= troll, you mouthbreathing dumbass.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:41:00 -
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Yeva Kalsani wrote:How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball? ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
Ahem...I don't think forge guns will be able to hit a fast moving aircraft. It's like firing RPGs to the jets of BF3, or a forge gun to an LAV. Swarms and blasters are effective here. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:08:00 -
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Actually, if you have a fairly good grasp of target leading, you can hit anything with anything so long as you have the force to get it there. I've hit LAVs in motion with a forge gun before... probably do a better job of it if I was any good. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:09:00 -
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Jets will be useless if the Minmatar Jet isn't vertical |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:40:00 -
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I can't help but feel the small maps are going to be problematic for these new vechicle types. Not to mention, There are tons of small obstacles all over the place (which if crashed into would probably cause this vehicle to explode), so I'm trying to figure out how exactly these vehicles are going to be able to take off without a proper runway.
It might be better if they just implemented very fast gunships tbh (that can take off vertically). |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:28:00 -
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Maybe make it so any and all jets would launch from a landing deck on the MCC? :)
edit* or even from an eve pilots rig perhaps? /shrug. Just ideas. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Forge Gun > Jet.
but is that only going to be the most effective things against jets, we all know that jets are fast and swarm launchers are slow and we aren't able to throw a av grenade 100 feet in air and the plasma cannon will do nothing. So unless proper balance of the av weapons as well as the jet . |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:51:00 -
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My guess is they're gonna buff AV weapons, like the swarms, to move faster so they have a chance of hitting a jet. Then they'll give dropships anti AV countermeasures like flares to give them a brief moment to retreat. Maybe even a warning alarm when there are swarms fired at the dropship.
This is all just wishful thinking, who knows maybe CCP will allow MTACs to dock on top of a jet. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:58:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:But they're wrong. I know we don't know very much about them, but here are the conclusions we can draw based on current knowledge: 1. They can only be occupied by the pilot 2. They are fast 3. They are focused on combat, not transport, repair, or supporive fire The combat-focused nature of the jet will remove the need for the dropship to be viable, as the jet won't have a reason to play support, and thus the main method of obtaining WP will be getting kills/destructions. This all depends on how strong they actually are, but we can assume that they will fill a fast, airborne anti-infantry/anti-vehicle role. Actually, jets might be TOO powerful until dropships get fixed. Can you imagien trying to fight one of these off as a pilot? Anyway, since CCP obviously has been working on them for a long time, let's hope for a release by October ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
You guys are so funny. Y'all should drop by the Planetside 2 forums and drink in 18 months of bitching, discussion and tears in regards to A2A and A2G game balance. Their aircraft are actually fully functional and they still have problems, can't even begin to imagine the disaster of jets in Dust.
You think its simple but its not, combined arms balance is just not as easy as people think it is.
Because of the small map size I bet they allow jets to hover which will be mistake number 1 and downhill from there. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:05:00 -
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They can barely get the basic ground game going, how can fighters are going to be anything other than completely game breaking or useless gimmicks at this point?
What on the field requires intervention by a fighter other than the 5 lavs? |
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