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Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:34:00 - [31] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Aegis Scientiafide wrote: They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium. Coulda fooled me. LAVSs are now more survivable. By a factor or two or three
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1453	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:34:00 - [32] - Quote The artwork showed a pilot and a gunner who gets to fire that large belly turret. It just might add an element of strategy if the ground forces had to take out SAM sites to allow the fighters to operate. Or maybe the A2G fighters will clear out the ground based AV to allow dropships to operate? It would be nice if all the pieces integrated.
omega 015 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:35:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Jet. that reminds me of an rpg hitting a jet. 1 in a million.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:39:00 - [34] - Quote omega 015 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Jet. that reminds me of an rpg hitting a jet. 1 in a million. NOT IN DUST.
Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 275	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:42:00 - [35] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet! ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. Warhawk had OP jets. Starhawk did too, just not on the same level. Yeah right. It was a combat triangle. Jets>Tanks>Infantry>Jets (RPG) If they made jets on this game exactly like warhawk I would dominate so hard. Self proclaimed best pilot on warhawk. Bombers should be heavy, fighters should be light.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 368	Posted - 2013.05.22 05:08:00 - [36] - Quote Well, I don't think current swarm launchers should be adjusted to catch jets... A forge gun should catch a jet depending on his angle of aim. That's probably more appropriate. Also, I'd go for "Swarm Installation Turrets". 1 lock, 1 set of swarms. It won't lock and fire again, until the first volley makes contact or doesn't. Greater range than handheld swarms, and useful against Dropships/Jets that try to escape by hovering at the flight ceiling. Also, no harm in making an anti-air single fire stinger-variant launcher. (Maybe a useful variant of the plasma cannon? Something more effective against shield jets?) Fires a single missile, and if the the AA guy gets a good angle AND a lock on a fast-moving jet, the missile can have a proximity detonation. We can try to better balance effectiveness of these with a distance-to-target variable. The closer the target, the faster the lock, the harder for the target to escape. The further away the target, locking-on becomes slower and increasingly difficult. Even if a weak lock is established, the missile would have a hard time reaching. Dropships work fine imho currently. They feel heavier, and they ARE sturdier, and the assault variants enable their pilots to fight. Seems good. If there is something about the dropship handling you don't like, I'm sure it will be fixed, but it doesn't have anything to do with jets yet.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 505	Posted - 2013.05.22 05:58:00 - [37] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet! ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. Jets are always fun. Back in the day cranking up a -60 mini jet engine to spoolup the main engines on the F-4s we had was great!!
Night Ward Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:08:00 - [38] - Quote Aegis Scientiafide wrote: They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Yes!
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 452	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:13:00 - [39] - Quote Nguruthos IV wrote: BatKing Deltor wrote: Aegis Scientiafide wrote: They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium. Coulda fooled me. LAVSs are now more survivable. By a factor or two or three ground vehicle have more survivable because then don't need to fly.. so medium aircraft=light ground basically and LDS and LLAV have pretty the same survivable.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 302	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:18:00 - [40] - Quote I will spec into jets as soon as they're released, suck or no. They're just too awesome. I don't thik the dropship will be less viable though, they're helicopters after all. They just need more HP to tank forge guns and rails.

Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 78	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:38:00 - [41] - Quote Nguruthos IV wrote: I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow. They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 78	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:49:00 - [42] - Quote I don't say jets will make dropships useless. I foresee jets being severely effected by AV. AV will wreck them. They will have the sturdiness of an LAV with the exposure of a dropship. I foresee swatting them away with my Assault and still outpacing them. So yeah. Thats my 2 cents. And I will spec into them too lol.
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:52:00 - [43] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow. They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unread You're a fail troll.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 78	Posted - 2013.05.22 07:51:00 - [44] - Quote Nguruthos IV wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow. They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unread You're a fail troll. Fail troll? I am a Drop Ship pilot and a pretty damn competent one. I make them work. I integrate them into my squads, and I ******* smash with them. I'll talk shop with you all day if you want - but I doubt you've truly flown anything above militia grade. How about you learn more about the craft and its mechanics before you say they are all 'useless'? Also, people who disagree =/= troll, you mouthbreathing dumbass.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 94	Posted - 2013.05.22 08:01:00 - [45] - Quote How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball?
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.05.22 08:12:00 - [46] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball? if a DS is MAV, maybe 1
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.05.22 08:12:00 - [47] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow. They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support. Buggy and useless? You just are a fail pilot. Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78019&find=unread You're a fail troll. Fail troll? I am a Drop Ship pilot and a pretty damn competent one. I make them work. I integrate them into my squads, and I ******* smash with them. I'll talk shop with you all day if you want - but I doubt you've truly flown anything above militia grade. How about you learn more about the craft and its mechanics before you say they are all 'useless'? Also, people who disagree =/= troll, you mouthbreathing dumbass. lol
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 304	Posted - 2013.05.22 08:41:00 - [48] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: How many Forge Gun hits do you think the Jets will be able to eat before going down like a fireball? Ahem...I don't think forge guns will be able to hit a fast moving aircraft. It's like firing RPGs to the jets of BF3, or a forge gun to an LAV. Swarms and blasters are effective here.
Byozuma Kegawa The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.05.22 09:08:00 - [49] - Quote Actually, if you have a fairly good grasp of target leading, you can hit anything with anything so long as you have the force to get it there. I've hit LAVs in motion with a forge gun before... probably do a better job of it if I was any good.
Kesi Raae Kaae Much Crying Old Experts 77	Posted - 2013.05.22 09:09:00 - [50] - Quote Jets will be useless if the Minmatar Jet isn't vertical

Aegis Scientiafide Molon Labe. League of Infamy 39	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:40:00 - [51] - Quote I can't help but feel the small maps are going to be problematic for these new vechicle types. Not to mention, There are tons of small obstacles all over the place (which if crashed into would probably cause this vehicle to explode), so I'm trying to figure out how exactly these vehicles are going to be able to take off without a proper runway. It might be better if they just implemented very fast gunships tbh (that can take off vertically).
Hey Fatty SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:28:00 - [52] - Quote Maybe make it so any and all jets would launch from a landing deck on the MCC? :) edit* or even from an eve pilots rig perhaps? /shrug. Just ideas.
negative49er One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 13	Posted - 2013.06.09 07:39:00 - [53] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Jet. but is that only going to be the most effective things against jets, we all know that jets are fast and swarm launchers are slow and we aren't able to throw a av grenade 100 feet in air and the plasma cannon will do nothing. So unless proper balance of the av weapons as well as the jet .
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.06.09 07:51:00 - [54] - Quote My guess is they're gonna buff AV weapons, like the swarms, to move faster so they have a chance of hitting a jet. Then they'll give dropships anti AV countermeasures like flares to give them a brief moment to retreat. Maybe even a warning alarm when there are swarms fired at the dropship. This is all just wishful thinking, who knows maybe CCP will allow MTACs to dock on top of a jet.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.09 07:58:00 - [55] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: But they're wrong. I know we don't know very much about them, but here are the conclusions we can draw based on current knowledge: 1. They can only be occupied by the pilot 2. They are fast 3. They are focused on combat, not transport, repair, or supporive fire The combat-focused nature of the jet will remove the need for the dropship to be viable, as the jet won't have a reason to play support, and thus the main method of obtaining WP will be getting kills/destructions. This all depends on how strong they actually are, but we can assume that they will fill a fast, airborne anti-infantry/anti-vehicle role. Actually, jets might be TOO powerful until dropships get fixed. Can you imagien trying to fight one of these off as a pilot? Anyway, since CCP obviously has been working on them for a long time, let's hope for a release by October You guys are so funny. Y'all should drop by the Planetside 2 forums and drink in 18 months of bitching, discussion and tears in regards to A2A and A2G game balance. Their aircraft are actually fully functional and they still have problems, can't even begin to imagine the disaster of jets in Dust. You think its simple but its not, combined arms balance is just not as easy as people think it is. Because of the small map size I bet they allow jets to hover which will be mistake number 1 and downhill from there.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 558	Posted - 2013.06.09 08:05:00 - [56] - Quote They can barely get the basic ground game going, how can fighters are going to be anything other than completely game breaking or useless gimmicks at this point? What on the field requires intervention by a fighter other than the 5 lavs?


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