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VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 154	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:12:00 - [1] - Quote But they're wrong. I know we don't know very much about them, but here are the conclusions we can draw based on current knowledge: 1. They can only be occupied by the pilot 2. They are fast 3. They are focused on combat, not transport, repair, or supporive fire The combat-focused nature of the jet will remove the need for the dropship to be viable, as the jet won't have a reason to play support, and thus the main method of obtaining WP will be getting kills/destructions. This all depends on how strong they actually are, but we can assume that they will fill a fast, airborne anti-infantry/anti-vehicle role. Actually, jets might be TOO powerful until dropships get fixed. Can you imagien trying to fight one of these off as a pilot? Anyway, since CCP obviously has been working on them for a long time, let's hope for a release by October
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:24:00 - [2] - Quote I'm hoping for a relase by tomorrow. They couldnt be half as buggy broken and useless as dropships already are. Just let us have them so I can quit wasting sp in a role ccp as shown they have no intention to support.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 124	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:30:00 - [3] - Quote Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet! ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1750	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:30:00 - [4] - Quote I forsee jets being the final nail in the coffin for dropships, unless something drastic changes before or when they gone out.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 271	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote Unless maps become far larger, jets will be useless. They need to be able to fight each other, enemy MCCs, and take on AV roles. Dropships need to be repaired period. Or why bother having them? I hope to see all manner of aircraft come to be :) Bombers, Logi aircraft, cloaked spy craft, player controlled drones, etc.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4518	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:48:00 - [6] - Quote Forge Gun > Jet.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote I'd like to see fighters. Combat aircraft for combat role. Dropships won't and shouldn't stand a chance against them as a Tansport ship should not kill a combat ship with better guns and meneuverability. Dropships are meant for transport right? That's how that should be? If they get points for mcru spawns will they stop complaining? So many countless dropship needs fixes threads. It's a transport, it shouldn't be heavily armored like a tank. If they were intended for a total gunship role I'd see the need for it. I see enough trying to use it that way anyway. That said if these fighters are for light aircraft category they should be fast and highly maneuverable but low on Health bars but able to do enough damage for a hit and run flyby.
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:10:00 - [8] - Quote I can see them making two types of jets: Bombers and Fighters [y'know, just like in real life?]. Bombers would be more focused on dominating ground troops and destroying installations, while Fighters will be the ones to make dropships cry. I think one simple thing CCP could do to try and balance dropships against jets would be turret swarm launchers. Or at least vehicle lock-on for the current missile turret [I don't think there's a lock-on, but I don't have much experience with dropships]. So that way dropships have a way to defend themselves against other aerial vehicles.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 296	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:14:00 - [9] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: I'd like to see fighters. Combat aircraft for combat role. Dropships won't and shouldn't stand a chance against them as a Tansport ship should not kill a combat ship with better guns and meneuverability. Dropships are meant for transport right? That's how that should be? If they get points for mcru spawns will they stop complaining? So many countless dropship needs fixes threads. It's a transport, it shouldn't be heavily armored like a tank. If they were intended for a total gunship role I'd see the need for it. I see enough trying to use it that way anyway. That said if these fighters are for light aircraft category they should be fast and highly maneuverable but low on Health bars but able to do enough damage for a hit and run flyby. Actually, dropships should be tanky, since they need to pick up infantry, sometimes under heavy fire. On the other hand, they shouldn't have much offense. That should be the role of a fighter.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 296	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:15:00 - [10] - Quote CAELAN Andoril wrote: I can see them making two types of jets: Bombers and Fighters [y'know, just like in real life?]. Bombers would be more focused on dominating ground troops and destroying installations, while Fighters will be the ones to make dropships cry. I think one simple thing CCP could do to try and balance dropships against jets would be turret swarm launchers. Or at least vehicle lock-on for the current missile turret [I don't think there's a lock-on, but I don't have much experience with dropships]. So that way dropships have a way to defend themselves against other aerial vehicles. there are fighter/bombers in real life.

Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 85	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:23:00 - [11] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Jets suck and always will!! come on who here thought that they are useful?! They are garbage! Rex Ryan has crippled that team. and sanchez.. how is he still QB?! dude! he doesn't mean that kind of jet! ........jets are cool. war hawk had awesome jets. Warhawk had OP jets. Starhawk did too, just not on the same level.
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 154	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:30:00 - [12] - Quote I have a feeling the Caldari Jet will be much more combat focused, having extremely high speed, and yet being small enough to fly down close to the ground and maneuver through tight spaces. The Gallente, judging by its looks, will probably be focused on hovering and dropping bombs on vehicles or something.
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 86	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:33:00 - [13] - Quote Dropships are meant to be transports even when uplinks are planted all over. Dropships are more like helicopters with turrents. Dropships won't stand a chance against jets, but every vehicles have pros and cons. Dropships won't be useless because CCP knows there's many of us with SPs invested in that skill. Otherwise, we would all be clamoring for an optional respec if dropships do really become useless. Personally, I think dropships should be more like air tanks while jets have less armor, but have more speed and firepower.
Deadeye Dic Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:52:00 - [14] - Quote If and when jets come, they will probably be implemented similar to BF3 and DS will play the role of helos. Doesn't matter really, at the end of the day jet's will be OP, DS will be more useless than it is now and we'll have to wait 6 months for any of it to get fixed....lol
Aegis Scientiafide Molon Labe. League of Infamy 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:55:00 - [15] - Quote They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light.
TEBOW BAGGINS GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA 563	Posted - 2013.05.22 02:05:00 - [16] - Quote they should be glass cannons
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.05.22 02:31:00 - [17] - Quote The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret. 2 occupants.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2013.05.22 02:35:00 - [18] - Quote I cant see it now, tankers bitching about fighters being OP cause they cant pull there turrent that high enough to shoot them down.
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 154	Posted - 2013.05.22 02:50:00 - [19] - Quote Zekain K wrote: The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret. 2 occupants. That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from: Gallente Jet Caldari Jet
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 87	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:09:00 - [20] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: Zekain K wrote: The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret. 2 occupants. That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from: Gallente Jet Caldari Jet Holy...the Gallente Jet DOES look gorgeous! I wonder if it will be under dropship skill or entirely a new branch in the skill tree.

Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:57:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 79	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:05:00 - [22] - Quote gbghg wrote: I forsee jets being the final nail in the coffin for dropships, unless something drastic changes before or when they gone out. We may disagree on many things. But this rings disturbingly true. Since Dropships are such a small element of the game I'm not sure CCP will even be taking any meaningful actions soon with so many other more important things to deal with now.
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:07:00 - [23] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: I cant see it now, tankers bitching about fighters being OP cause they cant pull there turrent that high enough to shoot them down. Maybe they'll get the same response as forge gunners give drop-ships currently "Derp, IRL aircraft get blowed up by cheap RPG's, and that's more important than game balance so deal with it" Jets should then respond in kind "DUrp air superiority IRL, bombers > tanks. umad?"
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 80	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:10:00 - [24] - Quote Nguruthos IV wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P LOL +1. You earned it. Sometimes I wish CCP would just nerf me out of the game. If anything I could stop visiting these forums thereby saving the last vestiges of my humanity. PS Nguruthos your 25th like is from a Forge Gunner. I am now forever part of you.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 1160	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:14:00 - [25] - Quote [title] Everybody always says that jets are going to be useless unless dropships get fixed [/title] Yes, jets will be useless unless dropships are fixed. How can a jet in Dust 514 be useful if CCP doesn't fix aerial vehicles first! How do you expect to fly anything else in dust until they actually master the physics, the balancing, and the limitations?Sure, lets throw in some more airplanes because obviously they fly and dropships don't....
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:18:00 - [26] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forge Gun > Anything yup, It's op :P LOL +1. You earned it. Sometimes I wish CCP would just nerf me out of the game. If anything I could stop visiting these forums thereby saving the last vestiges of my humanity. PS Nguruthos your 25th like is from a Forge Gunner. I am now forever part of you. Thanks! I'll never forget you. *hand slips and I fall off the boat
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:20:00 - [27] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: [title] Everybody always says that jets are going to be useless unless dropships get fixed [/title] Yes, jets will be useless unless dropships are fixed. How can a jet in Dust 514 be useful if CCP doesn't fix aerial vehicles first! How do you expect to fly anything else in dust until they actually master the physics, the balancing, and the limitations?Sure, lets throw in some more airplanes because obviously they fly and dropships don't.... we'll just have wait a year for jets to be release and then another 2 years for them to balance them and fix each of the 5 bugs that came in every successive patch over those two years while they kept nerfing jets and buffing every other vehicle Except jets (and dropships). If history has anything to say on this matter.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 261	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:21:00 - [28] - Quote Seeing the picture of the Gallente fighter next to the HAV again makes me wonder how big gunships are going to be.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:25:00 - [29] - Quote Aegis Scientiafide wrote: They should make Dropships the Medium or Heavy armored aerial vehicles, and jets should be the light armored aerial vehicles. As it stands now dropships are too light. Dropships are medium.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:28:00 - [30] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: Zekain K wrote: The jets have a frontal turret, and an under carriage turret. 2 occupants. That's the Gallente one then. Unless it just has two turrets to allow two different angles to fire from: Gallente Jet Caldari Jet The caldari one looks like a F/22 Raptor



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