Hey guys.

Cool thread, full of good ideas!

We agree that it would be better to be able to restrict access to PC battles, and are currently discussing how we would implement that.

What we are discussing is doing this in phases, i.e. start with giving CEO's and directors the ability to kick from matches, set roles on members that you want participating in PC matches, to forming up into larger teams prior to the PC match taking place. We will add this to the roadmap and share more details in few weeks time for feedback and discussion.

I will start off with talking quickly about awoxing and currently what is broken about it. AWOXing I think will be a valuable feature in this game. Slowly growing the trust of a corp or alliance and gaining rights and privy to information. It is sabotage at its heart. So what is the problem currently. People are able to AWOX with out the gained trust. Anyone in a corp can join CBs and Pull in anyone they want. One of CCPs first major gamplay mechanics to make our wins and losses mean something. As any bigger corp is noticing it is impossible to hold that atmosphere because anyone can join your PC battles and anyone can bring squads into your PC battle if they are in your corp. Hellstorm is a perfect example they had to rip their corp into two and put all of their new or more unknown players into a separate corp. This is hurting the corp, goals, and plans for the future.

I understand people are going to participate in this type of gameplay as long as it stays this easy to do.

The problem comes is that CPM member(s) are participating in such a gameplay mechanic that is knownly destroying corps or destroying the enjoyment of PC engagement of corps.

These are members of the community you forced us to have as representatives on CPM. They play a big part on influences of the future of the game. And yet you have members you picked are actively using a mechanic in that is in the game to abuse PC. Their is even video of one of them doing it.

So my question is CCP are you going to take action. Fix this problem. And maybe have major consequences for CPM members who are actively abusing this broken mechanic.

This thread is not about pointing at CPM members or linking videos. I just want CCP to realize that this is a major issue and CPM member(s) are taking advantage of it. Hopefully hear their viewpoint also

So shsare you veiwpoint and thoughts, but do not point fingers.

awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame

awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame

Hey,

We agree there needs to be a way for the CEO and directors of a corporation to control who is in a match. We won't be brining any changes to this for Uprising, but we are looking at things we can do after Uprising at some point. We are currently thinking of adding the ability to kick people from the match if you are a CEO or Director.

For now, make sure people joining your corporation understand that they shouldn't be joining these matches unless told to do so. Not the greatest solution, but we are aware and looking at solutions. :)

Anyone else find it strange that the Imperfects are now upset about a broken game mechanic being abused? When it was them AFKing, they were all "blame CCP, we are just using the mechanics given to us" or "HTFU". Not saying OP is guilty of either, just think it is funny that they care so much now. Maybe because this could actually negatively effect them? Funny, because their AFKing negatively effected others in the community. Anyways, my neckbeard itches, I'm off to rub one out in my basement.

say what you want, but having one of 6 players from the community being a representative of that community, participating in what is obviously a broken mechanic (and even admitted by themselves) and then going on taking a bath (congrats, its about time) in the tears of all those crying about it, is simply wrong and unjust.

Frankly, if you take people into PC that you can't trust implicitly, you're playing the game wrong.

honestly? no

regardless of my or yours or anyone else's opinions of IMPs and many of their members that rightfully deserve to be taken to the woodshed and beaten with a stick(or in some cases HAVE)... they have integrity, which that alone commands the respect of a competitive gamer.

They don't hide behind anything, they don't run around behind you and play grab ass and try to butter you up to do something to you or your corp/team to gain a competitive edge. They simply tell you they are better than you, and then back it up on the battlefield, which is the ONLY place that matters.

AFKing was popular when the game grew stale, the same 4 or 5 maps over and over, with the only other option being 8v8 CBs that didn't award SP, loot or anything else aside from bragging rights. no I don't and have never condoned it, but also it never affected myself or my team.. hanging your hopes on a skirmish pub match where stats never recorded isn't a strong argument for it negatively affecting others...

plus.. the whole AFK thing.. have u done a PC match with AFKers? have you had a CB before with AFKers?

didn't think so....

Me thinks you making things up that's going on helps your argument none.

No corp was taking un-trusted people. It didn't matter - all you need is an alt - know when the timer for PC is on - then hijack it as the squads get ready to enter.

Other corps will be feeling this burn very soon. If CCP isn't hurrying with a fix - we may as well break this game completely until they do.

Hence my edit

However, if you're accepting recruits with under 2m SP into a corp that WANTS to do PC, without a proper vetting process or going through a recruitment corp, then you're slightly naive regarding New Eden and this has been a horrid wake-up call to you.

Why 2m SP? Cause it takes a couple of weeks of dedication and constant playing OFF your main to get up to that. Reduces the likelihood that you're a spy.

If you're a top corp and accepting anything less than that... Well. You're probably just trying to boost numbers, aren't ya?

I have over 7 alts with over 2 mil SP from sitting on passive SP gain since january.

I have over 7 alts with over 2 mil SP from sitting on passive SP gain since january.

Cry Moar... Tears are delicious.

They already said they're going to make it harder.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=833365#post833365



Punishing CPM members involved would be stupid since they're just using the game mechanics CCP put in place.

Thats like saying we shouldnt punish a bank robber because the bank left the vault unlocked.

awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame

By that logic we should all still be flying the MCC every match to get free SP's and ISK.
Let's all abuse every broken mechanic until CCP gets around to fixing it, because that's the way to ensure DUST succeeds.

Yeah...


I guess I'll go order my modded controller because CCP has nobody but themselves to blame if they leave the RoF up so high on the TAC AR. Who cares what it does to the game?

Looks like you guys still have a _LOT_ to learn about proper vetting.

Just a hint for you bad players that are trying to run 'Real Corporations' in the My Little Pony-land of EVE; when recruiting, check employment history of the DUST merc using the EVE client, note the age of the character and calculate how much passive SP vs active SP he's accrued.

And continue playing the herp a derp game like n00bs.

Thats like saying we shouldnt punish a bank robber because the bank left the vault unlocked.