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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
504
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:05:00 -
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Yes I meant what I said about Hellstorm being forced to be ripped into two. And more big corps are going to face this.
Do I think players need to be punished. no. Do I think CPM members need to be banned from dust for good or banned at all. No.
These are people that are representatives of the community taking advantage of a broken mechanic that severely hurts corporations. They should lose all CPM privileges in my thoughts. They do not deserve to be a CPM member. We did not choose them. CCP gave them to us and said here are the people in charge of representing you. CCP now needs to accept that the few members are abusing a mechanic hurtful to their game. It show they do not care about the community. CCP needs to remove those that are taking advantage of this mechanic from CPM.
Do I believe AWOXing should be part of the future of dust yes. I think it should but right now this is not awoxing. this is a broken mechanic that the only way for big corps to control is to rip the minor members from their corp and put them in a alt corp until things are fixed. causing them to loose members and have trouble gaining members until the problem is fixed.
People need to have gained trust and made it into a position that allows them to pull squads in or go in solo. Also you should be able to kick people out in the war room. Once battle has started I feel the clone should be left the whole match because they made it that far they earned their right to create choas.
Right now corps have no way to protect them self unless they go to the extremes and as I said break off the trusted group from everyone else and put them into a different corp. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
724
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:06:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:What? You act like I'm not using these alts to test things - they'd learn NOTHING by checking history. Some are already in corps and are considered 'helpful.' Lol
You scrubs who think you have some special right to be smarter then everyone else make me smile. Do you have full passive training plus reasonable (half of max and up) active for the time the characters have existed?
Also congrats on getting them into corps and being 'helpful', I'm sure they were some serious clans from COD or something.
You'd manage that for at most two alt accounts, which means you'll be able to throw (with great effort) about 2 matches per 2 months for corps that have less strict SP requirements. For serious corps you'd probably have much more strict requirements, ever increasing as the game ages.
If you do not see how that raises the bar _VERY_ high then you're a scrublord who knows nothing. For some more on how to go the extra mile look up DNS' fanfest presentation.
Herp-a-derp. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:13:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:What? You act like I'm not using these alts to test things - they'd learn NOTHING by checking history. Some are already in corps and are considered 'helpful.' Lol
You scrubs who think you have some special right to be smarter then everyone else make me smile. Do you have full passive training plus reasonable (half of max and up) active for the time the characters have existed? Also congrats on getting them into corps and being 'helpful', I'm sure they were some serious clans from COD or something. You'd manage that for at most two alt accounts, which means you'll be able to throw (with great effort) about 2 matches per 2 months for corps that have less strict SP requirements. For serious corps you'd probably have much more strict requirements, ever increasing as the game ages. If you do not see how that raises the bar _VERY_ high then you're a scrublord who knows nothing. For some more on how to go the extra mile look up DNS' fanfest presentation. Herp-a-derp. For a guy claiming to know something about all this you seem pretty clueless.
Claiming the other guy must of 'done it to CoD clans' was the best line you used - lmao
And your completely wrong. Try to figure out how this game is broken before you go around claiming the rights to knowledge you don't have.
And your weak provocations to try to get me to reveal where my alts are is childs play. Get on my level scrub ;) |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1431
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:14:00 -
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Nguruthos IV wrote:Skihids wrote:jenza aranda wrote:awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame By that logic we should all still be flying the MCC every match to get free SP's and ISK. Let's all abuse every broken mechanic until CCP gets around to fixing it, because that's the way to ensure DUST succeeds. Yeah... I guess I'll go order my modded controller because CCP has nobody but themselves to blame if they leave the RoF up so high on the TAC AR. Who cares what it does to the game? I would define exploiting as players trying to gain an unfair advantage through the use or abuse of existing mechanisms through ways other than their intended use. I seriously doubt this is what CCP intended for PC in it's game. Unless CCP wants to make 'the worst game ever' enemies joining your team to reduce your player count, increase theirs, team kill, and in essence "Screen look"... this is exploiting by at least my definition. IF certain members want to suggest this is all just part of the game, then they truly do not have any interest in expanding or retaining Dust's player base and would rather the game self destruct than their corporation lose some districts. Ironically they still lose the districts because in this place Dust 514 goes under. Anyone with the interest of the community at heart should be disavowing these actions and encouraging CCP to fix the problem rather than continue to exploit it for short term personal gains.
I believe we are in agreement. It's clear CCP doesn't want to hand the keys to the MCC out to every corp member, they just didn't want to wait to introduce PC until they had it done right.
So some folks exploited the lack of proper controls. I expect that from human nature. I just didn't expect it from a high profile representative who is supposed to be looking out for the overall health of the game.
That's the real disappointment of this mess. Not the loss of a district or two, but the loss of trust in those representing us to improve the game.
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Finn Kempers
BetaMax. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:16:00 -
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Modded controllers are an offence as that is the use of a third party modification to your own benefit.
This however is a mechanic entirely faulted to the CEO's who let randomers into their corps.
So long, and thanks for all the tears. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2375
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:17:00 -
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Eve Online has a system in place called Fleets. Before a group of capsuleers go into battle, they often get into a fleet that requires the permission of the fleet commander to join. Once you are in the fleet you are given access to features such as warp-to-friend, broadcast target, broadcast location, fleet bonuses to your ship stats, etc. On top of that, the fleet commander can choose to setup the fleet to only accept members based on standings or make it completely open for everyone in the corp.
Dust can adopt a system like this for planetary conquest battles. Set the battle to only accept members who have earned a certain level of trust wiith the corp.
This will allow the CEO and his directors to mitigate the possibily of an awoxer coming in and destroying any chance of success. But notice I said mitigate and not prevent. If there is anything to learn from Eve Online is that no matter how strict the system is created by the player corps and their CEO the awoxer/spy/traitor/whatever will find a way to get in simply by virtue of gaining your trust and exploiting that trust he has been given when the time is right. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1432
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:30:00 -
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Finn Kempers wrote:Modded controllers are an offence as that is the use of a third party modification to your own benefit.
This however is a mechanic entirely faulted to the CEO's who let randomers into their corps.
So long, and thanks for all the tears.
CCP supports the KBM where you can map your trigger to the mouse wheel. A modded controller is no different. As others have pointed out it's trivial for CCP to lower the RoF, so it's obvious they are leaving this open on purpose. Those players who take the initiative are to be lauded for their foresight. It's a player's own fault if they don't.
And yes, I have discovered the wonderful taste of tears.
I have been playing DUST GTA for a few days now with my Gurista Saga fitted out with 92k of modules to allow it to survive two swarms or two hacked AV grenades. It's the most fun I've had in months. I can get more kills from a modest LAV than from the most expensive dropship, and I can make money while doing it!
So remember what your mommy told you and don't play in the street...
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DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
29
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:50:00 -
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Hmm, the possibility about AWOXING PC battles was known for quite a while, just wondering why no one other took the advantage? (especially since I still see IMPs MCC camping) If some very limited (yes limited, there are not many corps doing PC) griefing would be a reason not to be on the CPM then not a single Goon representative should be on the CSM ever. HTFU |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
724
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:05:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:For a guy claiming to know something about all this you seem pretty clueless.
Claiming the other guy must of 'done it to CoD clans' was the best line you used - lmao
And your completely wrong. Try to figure out how this game is broken before you go around claiming the rights to knowledge you don't have.
And your weak provocations to try to get me to reveal where my alts are is childs play. Get on my level scrub ;) Why would I want to know your alts? Do you even know what my corps name means...
But nice dodging of the educational point of my post about the time investment (active time, not passive) required to get an alt through the (should have been obvious) basic vetting process.
Have fun playing My Little Pony Online. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:07:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:For a guy claiming to know something about all this you seem pretty clueless.
Claiming the other guy must of 'done it to CoD clans' was the best line you used - lmao
And your completely wrong. Try to figure out how this game is broken before you go around claiming the rights to knowledge you don't have.
And your weak provocations to try to get me to reveal where my alts are is childs play. Get on my level scrub ;) Why would I want to know your alts? Do you even know what my corps name means... But nice dodging of the educational point of my post about the time investment (active time, not passive) required to get an alt through the (should have been obvious) basic vetting process. Have fun playing My Little Pony Online. why do I need to explain something I already did? It wasn't a dodge - it was me giving you a hint to learn to read. Lol
Your corp must be sad that you fail this much at trolling. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
378
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:11:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:Cry Moar... Tears are delicious. You will cry most when we take everything you have, and honestly no one ever infiltrated N-F. This is concern for game not our personal and corp benefits. It must be hard to live with that kind of small capacity brain.
Thats easy, because I don't have anything, nor do I really want anything. I have fun just playing the game and watching all the QQing on the forums. I like Onslaught, but I don't speak for them and I haven't done any of the PC with them.
Attack them if you want, but its no skin off my nose. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
301
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:13:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Hmm, the possibility about AWOXING PC battles was known for quite a while, just wondering why no one other took the advantage? (especially since I still see IMPs MCC camping) If some very limited (yes limited, there are not many corps doing PC) griefing would be a reason not to be on the CPM then not a single Goon representative should be on the CSM ever. HTFU
simple... SOME have integrity and play competitive gaming to actually be BETTER than the opposition, not having to resort to antics observed on a junior-high playground cause Mary-Jane CroTchRoT just called YOU out for havin a small TallyWaCKeR so you want to get back at her...
wash your hands next time you wield that controller cause I know all that cake makes your fingers sticky and then the buttons stick and.. awwww.... but... yea prolly wont help you but maybe... just maybe |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:19:00 -
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Pretty simple what's going on here.
EVE is confused.
CCP wants a larger player base - EVE wants traditional CCP game.
One contradicts the other, Lol |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2376
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:21:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Hmm, the possibility about AWOXING PC battles was known for quite a while, just wondering why no one other took the advantage? (especially since I still see IMPs MCC camping) If some very limited (yes limited, there are not many corps doing PC) griefing would be a reason not to be on the CPM then not a single Goon representative should be on the CSM ever. HTFU
That is very much true. The CSM is currently dominated by the power blocs of New Eden and they were voted in by the players. That's saying something. |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:25:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Hmm, the possibility about AWOXING PC battles was known for quite a while, just wondering why no one other took the advantage? (especially since I still see IMPs MCC camping) If some very limited (yes limited, there are not many corps doing PC) griefing would be a reason not to be on the CPM then not a single Goon representative should be on the CSM ever. HTFU That is very much true. The CSM is currently dominated by the power blocs of New Eden and they were voted in by the players. That's saying something. The CEO of Goonswarm himself has been on it |
Grezkev
The Red Guards EoN.
277
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:28:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame
I think the Pot is trying to preach to the kettle. |
DJINN Jecture
Purgatorium of the Damned
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:35:00 -
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Hey mittens made it onto the CSM but I think I even voted for him at the time. He seemed to be a valuable member. The CPM is like PC right now. No way to kick a player and no way to remove them from the team. Please patch this. Jenza has had a nice bath, can we let the water out of the tub now? |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
63
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:37:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Problem will be fixed, but keep making more threads. If there's anything we need, it's MORE THREADS.
please don't because you know somebody will think you're being serious lol. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1430
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:43:00 -
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BursegSardaukar wrote:jenza aranda wrote:awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame Even AWOX'ing aside, there are rookies that just stumble into the queue by accident and then the whole corp flips out on them because they are blocking a squad. It's funny after the fact but there's absolutely a crazy 3-minutes where its just hate spam, lol. Haha, we had a guy quit because of that. A'hhh, good times, good times |
DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:45:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Hey mittens made it onto the CSM but I think I even voted for him at the time. He seemed to be a valuable member. The CPM is like PC right now. No way to kick a player and no way to remove them from the team. Please patch this. Jenza has had a nice bath, can we let the water out of the tub now? You will have some kind of vote on that in the coming months probably, you can then elect any candidate you want with as many ALTs you wish. |
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DTOracle
Universal Allies Inc.
110
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:51:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:awoxing is absolutely too easy but shouldnt be impossible. Thats why im suggesting a role that is attached to being able to join corp matches, that way if the CEO/director trusts the wrong person, they only have themselves to blame Agreed, I have no problem with corporate sabotage, but currently it is far too easy. It should take time & investment to gain the trust of those around you. & if giving roles is gonna take too long, how about giving directors & CEO's the ability to remove players from PC battles, while in the Warbarge. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
996
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:54:00 -
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Laheon wrote: Frankly, if you take people into PC that you can't trust implicitly, you're playing the game wrong.
How about if you ever allow the acceptance of applicants who you can't completely trust in advance of ever accepting them? There is no "taking" anyone into PC there's the ability for anyone with the Corp tag to form a squad of anyone and drop into the battle. No roles are required, no trust, no screening of the squad or vetting of any kind is allowed by the current interface. All you have is Open battle finder --> move two tabs right --> hi light "join" --> hit X That's not meta game, that's not an accomplishment, that's just an annoying unfinished game mechanic. Oh and by the way CCP were the first to suggest including kicking, they just haven't gotten to it yet.
In EVE if you attack your fleet you get popped and podded, you don't get to keep docking up and picking out a new ship from the corp hanger to go TK again.
Someone getting a Dir position with roles, passwords and access that takes effort. Someone clicking "join battle" there's no accomplishment in that.
CCP please implement both roles and kicking before the next build, lack of them has a negative impact on PC and it's perception from those who aren't already versed in New Eden. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
996
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:00:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Eve Online has a system in place called Fleets. Before a group of capsuleers go into battle, they often get into a fleet that requires the permission of the fleet commander to join. Once you are in the fleet you are given access to features such as warp-to-friend, broadcast target, broadcast location, fleet bonuses to your ship stats, etc. On top of that, the fleet commander can choose to setup the fleet to only accept members based on standings or make it completely open for everyone in the corp.
Dust can adopt a system like this for planetary conquest battles. Set the battle to only accept members who have earned a certain level of trust wiith the corp.
This will allow the CEO and his directors to mitigate the possibily of an awoxer coming in and destroying any chance of success. But notice I said mitigate and not prevent. If there is anything to learn from Eve Online is that no matter how strict the system is created by the player corps and their CEO the awoxer/spy/traitor/whatever will find a way to get in simply by virtue of gaining your trust and exploiting that trust he has been given when the time is right.
+1
The problem with the current situation is the total lack of effective or legitimate tools to manage anything.
With tools in place this kind of thing happening is on the Corps CEO/Dir
Currently it's just an unfinished mechanic be exploited by a high profile player making D514 look less complete/finished. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
724
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:03:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:why do I need to explain something I already did? It wasn't a dodge - it was me giving you a hint to learn to read. Lol
Your corp must be sad that you fail this much at trolling. heh
On a serious note; learn to manage risk if you want to go above scrub.
On a troll note; your reference to my corp tells me you know nothing about sour veterinarians. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:03:00 -
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Laheon wrote:[quote=CHICAGOCUBS4EVER] However, if a single spy gets into the game and manages to sabotage a key piece of the game midway through, why not reward him for that? Why allow him to be kicked and cause his actions to have no lasting consequence?
Absolutely agree with this.
CEO needs to be able to set roles and give permission to enter a PC match.
Kicking someone from a battle who has taken the time and effort to infiltrate a Corp. seems a bit extreme.
Kicking them from the squad is fine, but they should be allowed to remain on the battlefield, as a Neutral Participant.
One outcome I can foresee is that those who are continually denied access to PC battles will leave Corp. and form their own Corporations to get involved in PC, this can only be good for the game imo.
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:05:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:why do I need to explain something I already did? It wasn't a dodge - it was me giving you a hint to learn to read. Lol
Your corp must be sad that you fail this much at trolling. heh On a serious note; learn to manage risk if you want to go above scrub. On a troll note; your reference to my corp tells me you know nothing about sour veterinarians. There's no need for risk management. I even know a neat trick to put a squad in PC without revealing the person who SL to put them there.
Either way - I want an alt in your corp :D May I put one of my SoTa toons in there? <3 |
zeroknexus
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:09:00 -
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**** THREADNOUGHT ALERT ****
Lol, yet another awoxing thread that is turning into a threadnought, you guys just don't get it do you?
Fact 1 : CCP are fully aware of the situation. You guys do understand they actually designed the game to be like this right?
Fact 2 : Any act of awoxing by anyone including CPM members is 100% within the current rules. CCP with only change the rules if the devs and only the devs, think it needs changing.
Fact 3 : You have to accept that New Eden is a dark and harsh place where bad things happen. There are no rainbows or kittens or butterflies, if you want those things then I suggest Club Penguin may suit you better. If you decide to stay then stop moaning and watch your back because you may well end up with a nova knife in it courtesy of a fellow mercenary (Paid Soldier).
Fact 4 : I have not been so amused by carebear tears in a long time, thank you. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
724
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:13:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:There's no need for risk management. I even know a neat trick to put a squad in PC without revealing the person who SL to put them there. Like I didn't already figure out a way to do this a week ago...
Actually found it quite funny that people were getting caught. (not just trolling, just lolling)
Quote:Either way - I want an alt in your corp :D May I put one of my SoTa toons in there? <3
Please do, I'll even squad up for ambush matches and we can even chicken with LAVs if you want. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:16:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:There's no need for risk management. I even know a neat trick to put a squad in PC without revealing the person who SL to put them there. Like I didn't already figure out a way to do this a week ago... Actually found it quite funny that people were getting caught. (not just trolling, just lolling) Quote:Either way - I want an alt in your corp :D May I put one of my SoTa toons in there? <3 Please do, I'll even squad up for ambush matches and we can even chicken with LAVs if you want. Neaters. I'll set up a new PSN shortly and send in a request to join.
And I also laugh that people get caught pulling squads into PC - it's ridiculously easy not too.
Fail more CCP :D |
Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
65
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:21:00 -
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zeroknexus wrote:**** THREADNOUGHT ALERT ****
Lol, yet another awoxing thread that is turning into a threadnought, you guys just don't get it do you?
Fact 1 : CCP are fully aware of the situation. You guys do understand they actually designed the game to be like this right?
Fact 2 : Any act of awoxing by anyone including CPM members is 100% within the current rules. CCP with only change the rules if the devs and only the devs, think it needs changing.
Fact 3 : You have to accept that New Eden is a dark and harsh place where bad things happen. There are no rainbows or kittens or butterflies, if you want those things then I suggest Club Penguin may suit you better. If you decide to stay then stop moaning and watch your back because you may well end up with a nova knife in it courtesy of a fellow mercenary (Paid Soldier).
Fact 4 : I have not been so amused by carebear tears in a long time, thank you.
I see DUST Uni still has Spais.....guess they'll never learn. And you are bad @ Spaiwerk considering you publicised yourself, throwing caution to the wind. Bad Spy in Bad Corp, Balance achieved. |
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