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Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:23:00 - [1] - Quote I play every now and then, but last time I logged in I had to download an enormous update. I played a bit and thought "This game is getting close, but it still has about 5-6 months before it's ready. The developers need to hurry up and make the controls feel more fluid so we can really start testing this beta". But I keep hearing everyone talk like it's no longer in beta phase. If this is seriously the game, and it's always going to feel like I'm walking on the moon with rollerskates on in an ice rink, then I'm not impressed. This game looks pretty (finally) but there are zero maps that implement close range. Aside from that all the maps look the same, and are bland. The PS3 can do better than this. It looks like a good game but the gameplay itself just doesn't compare to other FPS's, and I'm not even talking about CoD. I'd rather play Perfect Dark on N64 against Simbots than this. What's the point of 80 bullets in an SMG when I can unload every bullet in someones back, and not even break his shield because of what he has equipped? There's no talent in that. It's just chance as to who you will run into and be capable of killing. People who are devout fans of FPS's probably won't like this game because it panders to much to an MMORPG fanbase, which is bad because this game is an FPS. In fact, I know none of my friends like it, and we all play FPS's together. Even my old clan from MAG doesn't like this game, and we had over 150+ members. I can't imagine people who love MMORPG's playing this game for more than a year, because this game falls right between the crowds it's supposed to pander to, and I doubt either crowd will catch it. If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play, but as it is right now you can have every beginning advantage when fighting someone and still lose, simply because they just have so many more hitpoints than you. 80 bullets should kill anyone. And if it doesn't kill anyone, then that weapon better reload fast as **** - but no, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of skill points to level up a weapon to have attributes it should already have. Right now, this game is like playing paper, rock, scissors with worse graphics.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you.
Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:41:00 - [3] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you. I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize. You can't make a FPS game this enormous then expect that many people to be okay with their gun game being completed disregarded. I appreciate your polite response though. I was expecting a more hostile crowd.
Nova Knife Ninja Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:48:00 - [4] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you. I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize. You can't make a FPS game this enormous then expect that many people to be okay with their gun game being completed disregarded. I appreciate your polite response though. I was expecting a more hostile crowd. the 3,000 player count increase in a week begs to differ.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 394	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize We are going to have to agree to disagree. I made my statement based on more than a decade of experience watching CCPs vision unfold. A decade. DUST is symbiotic with EVE. This is not and never will be an arcade shooter. You are predicting failure, but you're not the target audience for the game. It's ok to say it doesn't work for you. It's all good.
Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:06:00 - [6] - Quote Nova Knife Ninja wrote: the 3,000 player count increase in a week begs to differ. Wow, okay, the game JUST released. Games are most popular when they just release. On release day, Black Ops had the following playing: PC - 75,000 PS3 - 80,000 360 - 3,000,000 By the end of the first week, they probably had at least 10% playing(most likely WAY more, but I'm making an obvious point here) which means they were blowing Dust out of the water by twofold, minimum. So if you want to impress anyone intelligent, you'll need to say something smarter than what you just said. Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize We are going to have to agree to disagree. I made my statement based on more than a decade of experience watching CCPs vision unfold. A decade. DUST is symbiotic with EVE. This is not and never will be an arcade shooter. You are predicting failure, but you're not the target audience for the game. It's ok to say it doesn't work for you. It's all good. In order for Dust to be viable to keep alive, it will need a bigger playerbase than what it currently has, but that's where the question is. Will enough people play this game longterm? Is the niche market that this game appeals to actually big enough? Most people who don't like this game simply won't play it, let alone come to the board, and they won't even feel cheated by this game being bad since they payed nothing for it so when this game dies you won't even hear how many people knew it had something wrong with it.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:11:00 - [7] - Quote Nova Knife Ninja wrote: the 3,000 player count increase in a week begs to differ. your kidding right? the number raised because of the "release". im willing to bet within a few weeks(NOT MONTHS) the player count will return to normal. Full Metal Kitten wrote: We are going to have to agree to disagree. I made my statement based on more than a decade of experience watching CCPs vision unfold. A decade. DUST is symbiotic with EVE. This is not and never will be an arcade shooter. You are predicting failure, but you're not the target audience for the game. It's ok to say it doesn't work for you. It's all good. youre not even aware of the target audience yourself, YOU were not the target audience, im 100% sure CCP was not targeting EVE players. CCP stated already their target was HALO/COD/BF players.
Dark Deviser XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:14:00 - [8] - Quote Clyde, mmo's dont become popular over night. Many mmo's go through several phases untill they reach thier full level of greatness, and Dust my friend is still in its earlystages. Dust 514 is a hybrid among standards Imo I believe this game will eventally reach its full potentinal in regards of the fps/mmo combine.
BetterHideGood 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 43	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:19:00 - [9] - Quote If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play, but as it is right now you can have every beginning advantage when fighting someone and still lose, simply because they just have so many more hitpoints than you. 80 bullets should kill anyone. And if it doesn't kill anyone, then that weapon better reload fast as ** - but no, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of skill points to level up a weapon to have attributes it should already have. Right now, this game is like playing paper, rock, scissors with worse graphics. You really haven't experienced dust for what it is until you squad up with several guys who have played longer than 30 min's and realize that you actually do "need your team mates" to succeed and have fun... Yes it does placate to the mmorpg crowd and it's supposed to... It can still be fun to fps players of all categories if they can spend enough time to figure out that you can't rambo ** in dust... I personally think they need to make more games like this that take more than "just" a quick hand/eye
Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:21:00 - [10] - Quote Dark Deviser wrote: Clyde, mmo's dont become popular over night. Many mmo's go through several phases untill they reach thier full level of greatness, and Dust my friend is still in its earlystages. Dust 514 is a hybrid among standards Imo I believe this game will eventally reach its full potentinal in regards of the fps/mmo combine. Being an FPS fan myself - I just don't think it will. I always have at least a 2 to 1 KDR, so I know I can aim and do well in FPS's, and I seriously doubt anyone who loves FPS's will choose to play this instead of any other FPS that's already out. The only way I can imagine this game succeeding is if all the people who suck at FPS's jump onto this game and love the concept of not being required to have gun game to get kills... but even then, eventually everyones going to have the same stuff, and those players who got kills based off their equipment for so long will start to die more often, lose, and probably migrate to other games out of boredom. I thinki they should have just let EVE be the RPG role, and had DUST be the more FPS role with some focus on buying unique interesting skills (basically what most FPS's let you do nowadays anyway).

Tom Spooner Goonfeet 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:22:00 - [11] - Quote The issue here is that on any other FPS game a noobie with a pistol can kill a 500000 day old veteran if he pops in a good half a clip without being instaibbed first. Not in Dust. If you're LUCKY you'll be able to break their shields with a whole clip, then die.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 484	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:28:00 - [12] - Quote EvE started small and grew gradually over ten years. Console games tend to release and have a spike at launch then drop off. COD releases more or less same game with mod every year, player base spikes each time and has grown over time. I would expect a spike at each of Dusts free expansions, little bigger each time. it will never have the player counts of cod or bf, it is targeting a subset of those players and adding in some console fps/rpg fans and some eve players. Also some people that would have played eve it was on console but don't play pc games will play dust. I would guess these groups combined are smaller then cod playerbase. But that is fine, EvE is smaller then WoW but is likly to outlast it. 10% of Cod's ps3 player base on launch day is larger then I would have guessed, should be better next build's launch( aka first free expansion).
Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:28:00 - [13] - Quote BetterHideGood wrote: ... you can't rambo **** in dust... I personally think they need to make more games like this that take more than "just" a quick hand/eye I agree more games should be tactical, but this game requires too little hand eye coordination. The problem with this though is you shouldn't need your team to save you from a heavy that you emptied your clip into. who you ran into one on one. I actually have been mowed down multiple times with my team by one laser rifle super hero who has invested way more time into the game than I can, so traveling with your team isn't the key to success.
Beta Dust Fish Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:40:00 - [14] - Quote if those are Black Ops 1 them your PS3 #s are way off. Even BO2 #s hit 700k-800,000 Online simultaneously on Day 1 midnight release launch day. I was one of those people playing BO2. With all the tremendous blunders with the May 6th and May 14th release, Dust besides graphics is going Backwards. I mean seriously how did some of the Basic gameplay mechanics regress from the previous build. All the Hotfix patches in the gameplay build seemed to just not make it into the May 6th release. The Economics of PC battles is broken, if you are a Corp who does NOT own a District on a planet already. The last hope for Dust514 is the PS4. really the only reason why people play this "so-called" retail version of Dust514 is because one thing; it is FREEEEEEEEE
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 73	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:59:00 - [15] - Quote Let's compare EVE Online and World of Warcraft. World of Warcraft was overhyped with 1.9 million players and EVE Online had about 300,000 healthy players (now I believe it has increased to 500,000) last time I played a couple years ago. I'm sure it's the same as comparing DUST 514 with Call of Duty (COD.) COD is way overhyped, but it spikes crazily. One day I see 600,000 players on Black Ops 2, the next day it's 100,000. It's totally unpredictable. But with Dust 514, the numbers gradually increase and remains stable. Now, I like that Dust 514 weeds out all of those COD newberries who thinks it should have more speed, more action, more eye-candy graphics, etc, etc, etc. There will be more new AAA games coming out that boasts it's better than the previous champions. But Dust 514 will still be around with a small tight-knit community, much like what EVE Online had even with the corruption and betrayal surrounding the games. Dust 514 is the way to go.
William 'Liam' Helmstrong Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:01:00 - [16] - Quote COD= All the douche bag gamers consolidated in one online gaming community. I.E. children, and preteens the Cod community is simply the grade school of FPS's literally nothing but a bunch of class clowns on that game. Battlefield= For a time BF was the Mans shooter, Bad company was glorious, but with BF3 and Dice nerfing and buffing after listening to all the christmas noobs and ruining the game it kind of lost its momentum and ruined the game, because the things they nerfed seriously made no sense like IR flare breaking laser locks? laser guided weapon systems aren't even affected by IR flares. DUST 514= Is University Level FPS gameplay man. This is a thinking mans game with some serious strategizing going on. When your playing against a team with some serious players you either work together or die. This game is the only game that encourages team play because Rock, Paper, Scissors. If your just a long rock your going to get owned. If you ask me, if you got the balls to hang in Dust, than it kills BF and COD 10 fold.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1205	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:04:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah this sin't the game at all yet. The trailer shows PvE, where is it. There is only one heavy only 2 tanks Only half of the races get environment art and maps..... it's just... sigh so close
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 73	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:11:00 - [18] - Quote William 'Liam' Helmstrong wrote: COD= All the douche bag gamers consolidated in one online gaming community. I.E. children, and preteens the Cod community is simply the grade school of FPS's literally nothing but a bunch of class clowns on that game. Battlefield= For a time BF was the Mans shooter, Bad company was glorious, but with BF3 and Dice nerfing and buffing after listening to all the christmas noobs and ruining the game it kind of lost its momentum and ruined the game, because the things they nerfed seriously made no sense like IR flare breaking laser locks? laser guided weapon systems aren't even affected by IR flares. DUST 514= Is University Level FPS gameplay man. This is a thinking mans game with some serious strategizing going on. When your playing against a team with some serious players you either work together or die. This game is the only game that encourages team play because Rock, Paper, Scissors. If your just a long rock your going to get owned. If you ask me, if you got the balls to hang in Dust, than it kills BF and COD 10 fold. Very well-written! Definitely agree. +1
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1205	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:24:00 - [19] - Quote Tom Spooner wrote: The issue here is that on any other FPS game a noobie with a pistol can kill a 500000 day old veteran if he pops in a good half a clip without being instaibbed first. Not in Dust. If you're LUCKY you'll be able to break their shields with a whole clip, then die. Is this a joke? the pistol does 450% head shot damage, 150 base damage with no skill you deal around 675 damage a shot, what are you complaining about again? Nothing in this game can take 2 headshots from a pistol, Not even most heavies
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 64	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:47:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: I play every now and then, but last time I logged in I had to download an enormous update. I played a bit and thought "This game is getting close, but it still has about 5-6 months before it's ready. The developers need to hurry up and make the controls feel more fluid so we can really start testing this beta". But I keep hearing everyone talk like it's no longer in beta phase. If this is seriously the game, and it's always going to feel like I'm walking on the moon with rollerskates on in an ice rink, then I'm not impressed. Yes, this game is "officially" release as of May 14th. But, it's pretty obvious it's still a work in progress. All games of this nature are. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Quote: What's the point of 80 bullets in an SMG when I can unload every bullet in someones back, and not even break his shield because of what he has equipped? There's no talent in that. It's just chance as to who you will run into and be capable of killing. Well, I find this insane to believe. Emptying an 80 round mag into someone's back will easily kill them regardless if they have 500 shields or amour. I mean, even at 20 points of damage an 80 round mag will even eat through a heavy. Aiming sounds like your issues here. And, in all fairness, the CQC aiming isn't great and we have been issuing complaints on the forum about the issues. CCP has said they are looking into it. Hard to say what the issue is. To me it's an input lag or sensitivity issue as to why up close firing isn't so hot. Quote: If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play, but as it is right now you can have every beginning advantage when fighting someone and still lose, simply because they just have so many more hitpoints than you. 80 bullets should kill anyone. And if it doesn't kill anyone, then that weapon better reload fast as **** - but no, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of skill points to level up a weapon to have attributes it should already have. 80 bullets will kill anyone. Already demonstrated it. And, what it sounds like you want is, well, a generic arcade shooter, like, Call of Duty, or something similar. This isn't that game.

Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:51:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah I agree with the rest this games not for you. All health and dmg equal ?????? I would leave and so would about 5000 other ppl But fret not there is a game for you my son, Its probly called COD 56 or BF8 either one will suit you trust me. yours faithfully X-BF player
Succendo Goonfeet 8	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:54:00 - [22] - Quote DUST 514 is a very, very bad shooter. It has promise, but it is currently complete garbage.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1596	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:01:00 - [23] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you. I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize. You can't make a FPS game this enormous then expect that many people to be okay with their gun game being completed disregarded. I appreciate your polite response though. I was expecting a more hostile crowd. Yeah it sure is fun never getting killed by people in Militia gear as soon as you get Proto Specialist suits. Oh wait....
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 70	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:30:00 - [24] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: BetterHideGood wrote: ... you can't rambo **** in dust... I personally think they need to make more games like this that take more than "just" a quick hand/eye I agree more games should be tactical, but this game requires too little hand eye coordination. The problem with this though is you shouldn't need your team to save you from a heavy that you emptied your clip into. who you ran into one on one. I actually have been mowed down multiple times with my team by one laser rifle super hero who has invested way more time into the game than I can, so traveling with your team isn't the key to success. LOL you do not get this game at all. There is no way you should be able to go toe to toe with a Heavy if you are an assault/scout/logi as long as you are in the same tier with SP and gear. There are different classes for a reason. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. Just as each weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses. You have to learn these in order to be able to play this game effectively. As far as the 80 rounds in SMG being able to kill anything. Dude it is the future where there are specially designed shields made to stop physical projectiles (SMG/HMG rounds and Frag Grenades/Missles) Get a weapon designed for use against shields and watch how fast they drop. This is not CoD or BF you cannot stab one in the foot and kill them! There are NO true OHK weapons (throwing knives/crossbow in CoD). You have to use teamwork and tactics to exploit your opponents weaknesses. In truth all weapons do not do the same amount of damage nor should they.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 571	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:37:00 - [25] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: Wow, okay, the game JUST released. Games are most popular when they just release. On release day, Black Ops had the following playing: PC - 75,000 PS3 - 80,000 360 - 3,000,000 I'd like to point something out... The Call of Duty series goes back to 2003, with a WW2 shooter. In essence, CoD is a franchise with a large, well-known publisher, and a relatively long lifespan already. It has a pre-existing fanbase stretching back to PS2, and Battlefield stretches back to 2002, with Battlefield 1942. Both franchises have had a huge advertising budget spent on each of them, along with a large fanbase who will buy into the games already. Also, due to the large fanbase, gathering more fans (up to a certain point) is exponential due to word-of-mouth. You're more likely to play a game a friend has recommended than a game you've heard about from the TV. In essence, 9k on release weekend for a little-known shooter with barely any advertising, no pre-existing fanbase and a barely known developer is pretty good. I think Super MNC hit 10k max, and it had a predecessor in MNC, which was fairly popular.
oldhero SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 2	Posted - 2013.05.20 12:20:00 - [26] - Quote Ill like to add that I've tested the SMG on fattys i deleted the shields and armor completly whit 5-8 left in clip problem you have must be your aim bc even a militia AND can make a heavy fall back to cover if you know how aim
Nstomper Future War Cult 431	Posted - 2013.05.20 12:24:00 - [27] - Quote Sounds to me like we got a sutbborn cod or bf3 shooter fan here
Otrera Goddess DUST University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2013.05.20 12:44:00 - [28] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: I play every now and then, but last time I logged in I had to download an enormous update. I played a bit and thought "This game is getting close, but it still has about 5-6 months before it's ready. The developers need to hurry up and make the controls feel more fluid so we can really start testing this beta". But I keep hearing everyone talk like it's no longer in beta phase. If this is seriously the game, and it's always going to feel like I'm walking on the moon with rollerskates on in an ice rink, then I'm not impressed. This game looks pretty (finally) but there are zero maps that implement close range. Aside from that all the maps look the same, and are bland. The PS3 can do better than this. It looks like a good game but the gameplay itself just doesn't compare to other FPS's, and I'm not even talking about CoD. I'd rather play Perfect Dark on N64 against Simbots than this. What's the point of 80 bullets in an SMG when I can unload every bullet in someones back, and not even break his shield because of what he has equipped? There's no talent in that. It's just chance as to who you will run into and be capable of killing. People who are devout fans of FPS's probably won't like this game because it panders to much to an MMORPG fanbase, which is bad because this game is an FPS. In fact, I know none of my friends like it, and we all play FPS's together. Even my old clan from MAG doesn't like this game, and we had over 150+ members. I can't imagine people who love MMORPG's playing this game for more than a year, because this game falls right between the crowds it's supposed to pander to, and I doubt either crowd will catch it. If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play, but as it is right now you can have every beginning advantage when fighting someone and still lose, simply because they just have so many more hitpoints than you. 80 bullets should kill anyone. And if it doesn't kill anyone, then that weapon better reload fast as **** - but no, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of skill points to level up a weapon to have attributes it should already have. Right now, this game is like playing paper, rock, scissors with worse graphics. EDIT: You might think this game will succeed for the simple fact that people who love MMORPG's will make it work, but eventually all those people are going to have their skills up high enough and still realize how awful their KDR's are, and then they will abandon this game because they just don't have gun game. People who love playing with lots of people have better games where they can do just that, and do more than just shoot, run for a long time, and hack a terminal. People who love FPS's have many other games where gun game is a necessity and rewarded. You know where the door is! oh and would you like some cheese with your whine
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 118	Posted - 2013.05.20 13:02:00 - [29] - Quote William 'Liam' Helmstrong wrote: COD= All the douche bag gamers consolidated in one online gaming community. I.E. children, and preteens the Cod community is simply the grade school of FPS's literally nothing but a bunch of class clowns on that game. Battlefield= For a time BF was the Mans shooter, Bad company was glorious, but with BF3 and Dice nerfing and buffing after listening to all the christmas noobs and ruining the game it kind of lost its momentum and ruined the game, because the things they nerfed seriously made no sense like IR flare breaking laser locks? laser guided weapon systems aren't even affected by IR flares. DUST 514= Is University Level FPS gameplay man. This is a thinking mans game with some serious strategizing going on. When your playing against a team with some serious players you either work together or die. This game is the only game that encourages team play because Rock, Paper, Scissors. If your just a long rock your going to get owned. If you ask me, if you got the balls to hang in Dust, than it kills BF and COD 10 fold. Hahaha. Love the word "university" come on man, you wanted to say nerd! And COD and BF are the most recognize but far from being the best. You missed quite a few FPS games that are "thinking mans shooters" bro. They do it better then dust. PC is the home of FPS. consoles have brought it to the masses, but even in consoles their are still better TEAM SHOOTERS that leave dust... in the dust. I ain't going anywhere from dust. cause it's that nerd part of it, got me. Building my gundam, um dropsuit. when I'm done.. maybe I'll get bored. till then tho, I'm here.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 252	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:55:00 - [30] - Quote BF hasn't been battlefield since mc2. it's all cod now. you guys can't handle anything else. you guys don't want anything else. if they give you something else, like 514, you turn it into cod with shields. "Yeah it sure is fun never getting killed by people in Militia gear as soon as you get Proto Specialist suits." THERE it is!!! THAT right there is it in a nutshell it's not the car it's the driver. you got faced by a better gamer. you blame the guns and the ranges. they nerf it for you. now you can play. cuz you... sir... ma'am.... are a codboi and so is everyone like you. at least you can admit it. Peace B

Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:42:00 - [31] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: it's not the car it's the driver. you got faced by a better gamer That's really funny to hear you say considering how much you complained on the MAG forums. I owned you every time I met you by the way, but I'm not going to say who I am. I guess it depends on what you consider makes someone a "better" gamer. Several times now, I've caught a heavy as he was in a firefight with one or more of my teammates. I'll unload my clip in his back, get hit markers but just can't finish him. Then he'll direct his attention on me and shred my handsome ass to pieces. Not sure where in that transaction he demonstrated he was a "better" gamer than I. Also to anyone who reads this I've played CoD less than 5 times my entire life, so stop saying I want to make this game like CoD. I don't even know what CoD is like.
Raizor Feddie On The Brink CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:43:00 - [32] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: it's not the car it's the driver. you got faced by a better gamer That's really funny to hear you say considering how much you complained on the MAG forums. I owned you every time I met you by the way, but I'm not going to say who I am. I guess it depends on what you consider makes someone a "better" gamer. Several times now, I've caught a heavy as he was in a firefight with one or more of my teammates. I'll unload my clip in his back, get hit markers but just can't finish him. Then he'll direct his attention on me and shred my handsome ass to pieces. Not sure where in that transaction he demonstrated he was a "better" gamer than I. Also to anyone who reads this I've played CoD less than 5 times my entire life, so stop saying I want to make this game like CoD. I don't even know what CoD is like. CoD was your description of what you wanted this game to be.
Clyde Night Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:29:00 - [33] - Quote Lol maybe I should try CoD again when I'm not drunk at a friends house then. Really what I had in mind for how I would like the controls and enemy encounters of this game to be would be like MAG/Resistance 2/3. You could perk your character plenty and change how much health they had but everyone always had a legitimate chance to win or lose a faceoff - which is where guns skill determined the victor. You can't say that about this game.
Succendo Goonfeet 9	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:11:00 - [34] - Quote Linear power progression is a genuine issue in Dust. Prototfits are qualitatively stronger than basic fits in every way. That's bad shooter design. You can disagree, but you're wrong + stupid.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 61	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:14:00 - [35] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you. I promise you this game won't become popular enough for ANYONE'S vision of it to materialize. You can't make a FPS game this enormous then expect that many people to be okay with their gun game being completed disregarded. I appreciate your polite response though. I was expecting a more hostile crowd. You =/= Everyone. Go somewhere else. You aren't wanted.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 61	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:16:00 - [36] - Quote The person earned their SP. They should use the suits and builds they wish to use. Why fault people for successful fits? Why not look at what you are doing and fix that?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 311	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:18:00 - [37] - Quote This game isn't a pure shooter... so it is going to be different than a pure shooter. We just want it to work good... not to make everyone the same.
Luk Manag of Terror 8	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:21:00 - [38] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: ... everyone always had a legitimate chance to win or lose a faceoff - .... You could try flanking tactics + militia shotgun...even vs. proto-heavy, it'll get the job done.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1363	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:21:00 - [39] - Quote BetterHideGood wrote: If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play, but as it is right now you can have every beginning advantage when fighting someone and still lose, simply because they just have so many more hitpoints than you. 80 bullets should kill anyone. And if it doesn't kill anyone, then that weapon better reload fast as ** - but no, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of skill points to level up a weapon to have attributes it should already have. Right now, this game is like playing paper, rock, scissors with worse graphics. You really haven't experienced dust for what it is until you squad up with several guys who have played longer than 30 min's and realize that you actually do "need your team mates" to succeed and have fun... Yes it does placate to the mmorpg crowd and it's supposed to... It can still be fun to fps players of all categories if they can spend enough time to figure out that you can't rambo ** in dust... I personally think they need to make more games like this that take more than "just" a quick hand/eye CCP's biggest failing here is not shoving the TEAM and SQUAD aspects down the throats of new players with a rusty spoon. They should be barraged with tutorials and such explaining the absolute vital need of finding a corporation and playing in a squad with voice comms activated. I see that the OP isn't even in a corporation, and he's already made his judgement on the game. This is a MAJOR problem that needs addressed. He hasn't even PLAYED Dust 514 yet, at least, not really.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 466	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:26:00 - [40] - Quote Succendo wrote: Linear power progression is a genuine issue in Dust. Prototfits are qualitatively stronger than basic fits in every way. That's bad shooter design. You can disagree, but you're wrong + stupid. Dust is an MMO, and a shooter. It is a hybrid. It will continue to be a hybrid. It isn't bad design, it's something different. Go away if you want the same old thing, and play the same old thing. In Dust you won't be competitive on day one. Just like every MMO in existence.

TrusouLjah Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:36:00 - [41] - Quote Poorest FPS mechanics ever, games nothing but a zerg close quarters, with whoever has the most stacked team wins. No tactics, no skill, just re re's driving LAV's, camping behind the redline. The spawning is worse then black ops 1, you could be anywhere on the map and someone will spawn behind you, not to mention multiple enemy's can spawn right next to you like you were there personal droplink. Are you fanboys really gonna give CCP credit they don't deserve? Ya they might of made a great game but its still a POS IMO, and no matter how much CCP will try to fix it, keep in mind once **, always **.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA 46	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:47:00 - [42] - Quote William 'Liam' Helmstronand wrote: This game is the only game that encourages team play because Rock, Paper, Scissors. If your just a long rock your going to get owned. jesus the pc crap has extended to long rocks? because that is all those things are, and no one was bawling when that scout got shot for eating that heavy's face. so are you racist for long rocks over paper? hippocrites.
Arc Brimstone Stella Pulvis 4	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:55:00 - [43] - Quote TrusouLjah wrote: Poorest FPS mechanics ever, games nothing but a zerg close quarters, with whoever has the most stacked team wins. No tactics, no skill, just re re's driving LAV's, camping behind the redline. The spawning is worse then black ops 1, you could be anywhere on the map and someone will spawn behind you, not to mention multiple enemy's can spawn right next to you like you were there personal droplink. Are you fanboys really gonna give CCP credit they don't deserve? Ya they might of made a great game but its still a POS IMO, and no matter how much CCP will try to fix it, keep in mind once **, always **. And yet you're still here playing it, so it's clearly not that bad.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:01:00 - [44] - Quote Number of players mean nothing. Sure, 6000-9000 players concurrently online may seem impressive but that's nothing. On the other hand, several million players in other titles mean nothing as well. Let's take World of Warcraft and Eve Online as examples. WoW has millions of subscribers compared to Eve's 500,000+ subscribers but the quality of the playerbase is not impressive as one expects. Eve Online on the other hand has a small but highly advanced playerbase who take meta gaming to extreme heights like no other. Much of them are actual professionals with real lives and strong careers who see Eve as an extension of their lives. It's really hard to explain in a few sentences but I can tell you that Eve Online is a very powerful competitor to WoW regardless of how big WoW is with subscription numbers. DUST is like that. It is meant to work with a specific group of players willing to dedicate themselves to earn their keep rather than get stuck with the monotony of arcade style games.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 178	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:21:00 - [45] - Quote lol to emptying 80 round clip and the person doesn't die.. Sounds like someone has some bad aim. Lack of sharpshooter hurts the smg a bit too.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 64	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:28:00 - [46] - Quote Quote: I guess it depends on what you consider makes someone a "better" gamer. Several times now, I've caught a heavy as he was in a firefight with one or more of my teammates. I'll unload my clip in his back, get hit markers but just can't finish him. Then he'll direct his attention on me and shred my handsome ass to pieces. Not sure where in that transaction he demonstrated he was a "better" gamer than I. You are terribad at aiming, it sounds like. Doesn't happen with me and I use standard/advanced gear in pub matches. Your argument isn't helped by "I play now and then", either. You're putting your faults, and, to be honest, the games CQC aiming, at fault. The latter is a perfectly reasonable thing to blame. But, what you're describing sounds like the players inability to do something.
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:29:00 - [47] - Quote The SoonGäó is disappearing slowly but surely. The player base will continue to grow as this games main mechanic encourages patience, and rewards for it. I still play Slay in Dust 514's virtual home on the PSN. It's taken me a year and a half and so far I've got 6 levels done. Looks can be deceptive, it's quality that counts, and not forgetting fun. I've ticketed for an account reset, so I can start again, just for the fun of it. 12.000.000 SP wasted? Nope the games just beginning.
Biven Gumbo DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:31:00 - [48] - Quote I agree with some of the points that the OP made about Dust. In my opinion, this game belongs on a PC, not a console. On a PC, you can play meta games in the forum. You can look at fit spreadsheets. You can use chat clients that are not in game. These are pretty hard to do on the console. These EVE like features belong on a PC. Currently, it isn't a very good shooter from a mechanical stand point. There are issues that do not exist in most modern shooters. It also currently struggles as an MMO. Right now there is nothing to do but grind. No real status to gain, just grind for SP and ISK. Currently, PC means nothing to most of us. For a Squad based shooter, the squad mechanics are pretty rough. And because of the way PC works, most of us are stuck in PuB matches, squadding with Rambo, and getting squashed. In an MMO, you can level up in PVE. Here, you level up getting T-bagged by a guy in Protogear. the few times that I have been in good squads, this game was fun. The rest of the time it is just frustrating. It is a free game. And from what I have learned about EVE, I think that it will get better. I think the OP and I share the same concern...if CCP is banking on the CoD\BF crowd to flock here, it isn't going to happen. Stereo-typically, they will swoop in, max out and leave in a few months. I see what CCP is trying to do, and I hope they can do it. I don't think that they should have removed the Beta tag quite yet..
Deadeye Dic Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:32:00 - [49] - Quote Laheon wrote: Clyde Night wrote: Wow, okay, the game JUST released. Games are most popular when they just release. On release day, Black Ops had the following playing: PC - 75,000 PS3 - 80,000 360 - 3,000,000 I'd like to point something out... The Call of Duty series goes back to 2003, with a WW2 shooter. In essence, CoD is a franchise with a large, well-known publisher, and a relatively long lifespan already. It has a pre-existing fanbase stretching back to PS2, and Battlefield stretches back to 2002, with Battlefield 1942. Both franchises have had a huge advertising budget spent on each of them, along with a large fanbase who will buy into the games already. Also, due to the large fanbase, gathering more fans (up to a certain point) is exponential due to word-of-mouth. You're more likely to play a game a friend has recommended than a game you've heard about from the TV. In essence, 9k on release weekend for a little-known shooter with barely any advertising, no pre-existing fanbase and a barely known developer is pretty good. I think Super MNC hit 10k max, and it had a predecessor in MNC, which was fairly popular. I'd like to point out that CCP has advertised to some 50 million plus people. Dust is currently on the What's New area when you turn your PS on, twice, and is billed as NEW. You argument holds no water when you speak purely on an advertising basis. Furthermore, Dust has been advertised ever since it went into open beta and actually was advertised during the later part of closed beta. There has been plenty of advertising for Dust. Not in the traditional sense, no, but advertising nonetheless. Everyone who owns a PS3 has at the very least seen the Dust Tile on their PS3. And at no time since Open Beta has there been 50 million players playing Dust, much less 100K. So 9K is low for Dust compared to the number of people who have at least seen the Dust Tile. However, I agree that the real issue is that CCP is comparatively a small company who does everything in house. They don't have big backers like EA or Ubi who have deep pockets. Additionally, EvE has only been advertised on a large scale, once in 10 years, that I can remember, so while MMO gamers may be familiar with EvE, many console players got their first look into when Dust was announced. So as a developer with a 10 year old game, you are right CCP isn't well known across the board when it comes to gamers.
zeroknexus DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:08:00 - [50] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: Clyde Night wrote: TL;DR VERSION If everyone had about the same health, and/or the weapons did a decent amount of damage regardless of the weapons tier then this might be funner to play. You are describing an arcade game. DUST 514 was not made for you. I don't mean any disrespect, but I wouldn't wait around to see if your vision for DUST materializes. It won't. I promise you. Gåæ Gåæ Gåæ This I thought some might struggle with life in New Eden but the flood of tears on the forums is absolutely frightening. As an Eve vet I feel like a grown up surrounded by an enormous crowd of screaming and crying children, who are being told to calm down which is only fueling further tantrums. I have gone past trying to tell them to calm down by explaining New Eden and I am now just watching with amusement as the tantrums rage around me and the tears flow. Sooner or later they will tire themselves out and accept that this is how New Eden is, grow up (climb the curve) and join the rest of us in the real game.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 73	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:17:00 - [51] - Quote Clyde Night wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: it's not the car it's the driver. you got faced by a better gamer That's really funny to hear you say considering how much you complained on the MAG forums. I owned you every time I met you by the way, but I'm not going to say who I am. I guess it depends on what you consider makes someone a "better" gamer. Several times now, I've caught a heavy as he was in a firefight with one or more of my teammates. I'll unload my clip in his back, get hit markers but just can't finish him. Then he'll direct his attention on me and shred my handsome ass to pieces. Not sure where in that transaction he demonstrated he was a "better" gamer than I. Also to anyone who reads this I've played CoD less than 5 times my entire life, so stop saying I want to make this game like CoD. I don't even know what CoD is like. If you pay attention when you target your opponent a percentage pops up telling you how much of your potential damage will be dont to him. It also tells you what kind of suit your opponent is wearing. If the suit is beyond your level maybe you shouldn't try to take him. Although IMHO I think you may be stretching the truth a little here. I'm a heavy you see, so I know what can take me down and what can't. I run in a MLT suit and get taken out by MLT ARs all the time. Here is what you do not understand. In a gunfight who could take more damage and kill faster: shooter a(full body armor and M134 minigun) or shooter b(flak jacket and an AR15)? Now DUST 514 who can take more damage and kill faster shooter a (heavy with hmg) or shooter b (assault with AR)
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 254	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:47:00 - [52] - Quote Theres actually a lot of maps that have close range..... This isn't cod where everythings one big cluster kitten
Succendo Goonfeet 18	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:55:00 - [53] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Succendo wrote: Linear power progression is a genuine issue in Dust. Prototfits are qualitatively stronger than basic fits in every way. That's bad shooter design. You can disagree, but you're wrong + stupid. Dust is an MMO, and a shooter. It is a hybrid. It will continue to be a hybrid. It isn't bad design, it's something different. Go away if you want the same old thing, and play the same old thing. It is bad design. For proper MMOFPS progression design, look at Planetside 2.
Mad Proffeser MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:56:00 - [54] - Quote A good match making system would help with most complaints of pub stomping.Sorted by sp or gear, maybe both. Make it optional though, if noobz want to play with vets so be it. I remember CCP talking about high, low and null sec being for different things and having different security in each. If that's the planetary conquest battles CCP needs to ramp them up or something to get proto players away from new players.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 255	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:00:00 - [55] - Quote "games nothing but a zerg close quarters" that's what ya get because you protoads vaged about getting beat up by militia ar. they actually think this is how the game is supposed to be. Peace B


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