Seriously need a respec system maybe one similar to MAG, where you earn points towards a respec by playing games, would also reduce the amount of AFkers

Sometimes i think CCP would have been better off picking random names out of the phone book and letting them design Dust 514.

Level 1 in each skill is a very minimal SP investment, it's not hard to try out other playstyles without breaking the SP bank. Also several items have militia variants.

While you are 100% correct, that's not going to be good enough for OP, who probably can't stand the thought of running anything less than Proto gear.

I wonder what it is going to take to break the playerbase's "all proto all the time" mentality.

You can try lots of different styles of gameplay with minimal SP, so stop complaining. If you are still bored dont expect CCP to cater to you at the cost of their vision.

No more respecs, no respec systems, get over it.

There's an alt for that.

I wonder what it is going to take to break the playerbase's "all proto all the time" mentality.

I don't have any alt's with 8 mill plus sp

Buying clones. I suspect there's a reason the IMPS don't have any land. They simply cannot (read: choose not to) afford to do so. The thought of spawning in advanced gear makes them spit on the floor in disgust. = )

we own land....

Your lack of foresight is not my concern. = )

I've got more than one with 6m+

Methinks you ought to start creating them now? In a few months of just passive they'll be halfway there. Kinda what I did a few months ago. = )

Well it looks like I've got no idea what I'm talking about then, doesn't it?

yes because basic gear really shows you what that class is capable of...

Seriously need a respec system maybe one similar to MAG, where you earn points towards a respec by playing games, would also reduce the amount of AFkers

I'm all for the idea of taking accountability for your actions. I don't want people just respec on a whim.

HOWEVER, sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes, CCP nerfs weapons/gear/suits/etc and it changes the value/functionality of what you have spec'ed into. Because of this, I think people should be able to respec if they need to, but it should be at a cost. This way, we don't have everybody just respeccing all the time.

I'd suggest, CCP offer the mechanic to allow people to respec, but it should cost available/unspent SP.
Perhaps 100,000 SP? Enough where it won't break you if you do it once or twice in your Dust career, but it will sting if you do it often.

There is better skill planning for that.

Luckily there is also no skill cap either. So over time you can be well geared in all roles.

However at the cheap cheap investment of 8 million skill points you should be able to be able to use base gear of everything and have max fitting and HP values to work with and being able to play the 'bare minimum' of ALL the roles.

There is better skill planning for that.

Luckily there is also no skill cap either. So over time you can be well geared in all roles.

However at the cheap cheap investment of 8 million skill points you should be able to be able to use base gear of everything and have max fitting and HP values to work with and being able to play the 'bare minimum' of ALL the roles.

Level 1 in each skill is a very minimal SP investment, it's not hard to try out other playstyles without breaking the SP bank. Also several items have militia variants.

Why would I spread myself thin on a main account, while being a major part of our corps PC?

Makes no sense....

Also with no ability to test/try things out without major investment is just plain awful game design

Why would I spread myself thin on a main account, while being a major part of our corps PC?

Makes no sense....

Also with no ability to test/try things out without major investment is just plain awful game design

a strong specialist.

At least you fit right in with the majority

You don't seem to understand the concept of tradeoffs.

You can be an average generalist or a strong specialist. Not both.

You clearly don't understand what this game is about. I wanted to dislike your post but there's no button for that.

^ hence the term Omni-soldier. Its an extremely difficult and challenging play-style as you have to make up with lack of good gear with player skill and experience just to remain competitive.

This doesn't just effect me but you as well, you think new players are going to want to be stuck with a role they choose at the get go without being able to try other things that may suit them better?

When you launch into your game and see no one on the other side, maybe then you will realize.

lol player skill in a game with ONE hit box, is laughable.

This doesn't just effect me but you as well, you think new players are going to want to be stuck with a role they choose at the get go without being able to try other things that may suit them better?

When you launch into your game and see no one on the other side, maybe then you will realize.

The new ad campaign.

Dust 514: The game you have to wait 5 months watching an arbitrary number go up before you can actually start playing.

Fun for the whole family.

Disclaimer: CCP takes no responsibility if you spend those arbitrary numbers incorrectly...just wait another 5 months.

You can be rather effective day 1 characters, any vet around here can attest that for the ones that have been fully reset to fresh can tell you the are just as capable of destroying the entire field as they where when they got 8-12 million sp more.

You can be rather effective day 1 characters, any vet around here can attest that for the ones that have been fully reset to fresh can tell you the are just as capable of destroying the entire field as they where when they got 8-12 million sp more.

Every time iv'e seen you, you've never been effective on any level...

This does affect me especially since i'm sitting on a mere 2.2m and i have to constantly balance between further specilization and getting some more options.

I have no clue what your last sentence is supposed to mean, so i just leave it at that.

The new ad campaign.

Dust 514: The game you have to wait 5 months watching an arbitrary number go up before you can actually start playing.

Fun for the whole family.

Disclaimer: CCP takes no responsibility if you spend those arbitrary numbers incorrectly...just wait another 5 months.

with only 2.2 mill sp, you have know idea what your talking about and are still relatively new to the game, but congrats on putting your 2 cents in on something you know nothing of...

There's an alt for that.

Is the game about turning away customers?

Is the game about only appealing to Farmville in space (EvE) players who can't aim worth a crap but spend excruciating amounts of effort and time studying spread sheets hoping that one last level will magically make them a good player.

Or is the game about compelling FPS game play the rewards good FPS game play?

The choice to have an RPG style Leveling systems in an FPS MMO is Ludonarrative dissonance...the leveling systems in RPGs are supposed to tell a story but when the actual game play is a multiplayer FPS which depends on the players skill to move that story forward that story breaks down.

It also conflicts with CCP Vision. A Dust mercenaries story is about how he preforms in the battle field and what alliances he make, what districts he takes, how much isk he can accumulate...not what gun he puts spell points into. Furthermore this game is about having the player fill roles not letting the game fill those roles....you really cannot take over the players role more then letting an SP/level system do all the work for you...especially when an FPS is meant for letting the player do.

Alts are too much hassle to maintain. Having a respect system would be nice. However a cost factor should be associated with it. Most RPGs I play the cost increases after every respect.

For example the first respect could be a 1 million ISK. The second one could be 10 million ISK and so on and so forth.

You can be rather effective day 1 characters, any vet around here can attest that for the ones that have been fully reset to fresh can tell you the are just as capable of destroying the entire field as they where when they got 8-12 million sp more.

LOL vets.

Want to make an alt and play some academy with me?

We can then see how effective these vet skills are.

And yes i have gone against you with your 10 million Sp while I have 2 million.

Bad aim, slow reactions vulnerable to flanks (do you even look at the map?)

I was not impressed.

Also being effective 5 months ago when everyone only had 4 to 5 million SP is not anything like like having 2 million SP and going against someone with 10 million....and that is not even considering all the changes which now requires even more SP to get anywhere near competitive.

By definition a "vet" does not know crap about starting the game now.

You clearly don't understand what this game is about. I wanted to dislike your post but there's no button for that.

So you are speaking for the new players by telling us how they feel about the skill system and then reject my reply because i am a new player. Or is it perhaps because i disagree with you?

I don't even agree with the author but after your comment I gave him and this other guy a like.

I am a vet and I started an alt, went to battle academy with 500k SP. I am having no problem dealing with the newbies.

Seriously need a respec system maybe one similar to MAG, where you earn points towards a respec by playing games, would also reduce the amount of AFkers

DUST will appeal to:

- EVE players who want player skill to have a greater role in a battleGÇÖs outcome.

- FPS players who want more complexity and persistence. Who want all the work they put into a game to still have meaning in 5 years, rather than resetting to 0 every time a new game comes out.

- MMO players who want good PVP and the FPS experience without giving up the meta game.


People will get board and stop playing DUST. Then they will get board with the next game and it will occur to them that their DUST Mercenary has been collecting skill points all this time, and log back in to find the game has expanded immensely while they were away.

Oh man, another one of these threads pops up. What a surprise! And guys if you haven't been following my posts recently let me tell you exactly what I'm talking about here. You see, we've seen a lot of complaining and calls for drastic changes ever since the planetary conquest was launched. And 100% of the time these calls for drastic changes come from corps that hold absolutely no districts, because these guys have made some bad decisions and now they're beginning to notice that and want to adapt fast by shuffling up the deck once again.

Well, Mark, let me be perfectly blunt with you: It's not gonna happen! Let me tell you exactly why it's not gonna happen, bro. You see, man, Dust 514 is a thinking man's video game where decisions hold a long term ramifications and if you've screwed up before well, Mark, I hate to say it but you're crap out of luck, man! Now I suggest that you collect yourself, adapt and keep it together from now on. Peace out!

undefeated in PC/corp matches, how can I adapt better?

Well I don't know, bro, but you ain't got no districts so something's wrong.

we have 2 nerd

Well as far as I can see, Mark, your whole alliance has 2 districts combined, no big deal there, man, but I don't see any being owned by your corp. I mean nothing wrong with taking the glory of the achievements of your alliance but at the same time, dude, let's not get too proud about it, alright? I mean here's the thing dude: My father was a millionaire and I did mow his lawn a couple of times and stuff, but that doesn't make me successful now does it? Even though I am. Successful.

Note to self: add Cronos nerds to hit list, take all their districts that they signed on first to claim but never won and can't defend.

Oh man, another one of these threads pops up. What a surprise! And guys if you haven't been following my posts recently let me tell you exactly what I'm talking about here. You see, we've seen a lot of complaining and calls for drastic changes ever since the planetary conquest was launched. And 100% of the time these calls for drastic changes come from corps that hold absolutely no districts, because these guys have made some bad decisions and now they're beginning to notice that and want to adapt fast by shuffling up the deck once again.

Well, Mark, let me be perfectly blunt with you: It's not gonna happen! Let me tell you exactly why it's not gonna happen, bro. You see, man, Dust 514 is a thinking man's video game where decisions hold a long term ramifications and if you've screwed up before well, Mark, I hate to say it but you're crap out of luck, man! Now I suggest that you collect yourself, adapt and keep it together from now on. Peace out!

Wasn't Wednesday the first day of PC? You know when you could actually fight over them?

So we have 2 days of it.....and you are using terms like "ever since PC was launched"....as if it was a long time.

Anyway my complaints are older then PC and i have not even tried PC as it would be pointless for someone like me who just dinged 4 million sp last night to even attempt to compete. Not because i lack skill...but because going up against god mode 10 million SP players is futile.

You are beating up on strawman...please stop it is embarrassing to watch.

Note: the main players in my alliance and corp have plenty of SP as far as a know....if they don't hold anything it is not because of SP. I think SP/leveling should be removed because it is an awful match for an FPS that discourages new players preventing them from even playing basic game modes...and now as the OP said it is boring for old players.

Note2: Min maxing points in an RPG leveling system is not a thinking mans game. It is busy work used to hide Dust's lack of game play options.

I've seen Iron Wolf Saber play, they used nothing but what looked like starter fits and militia vehicles. And they kicked much arse. I was duly impressed. While I wish I could play that well, I can't. I can only play how I can and be happy with it. For me, prototype gear would probably be wasted ISK so I don't really try to chase it. I will make one exception but that should probably be a distant goal as I've gotten comfortable with the advanced Amarr logstics suit and will probably not need that third equipment slot for a while (or until October). I would not discount ability over equipment. Even I can sometimes drop someone in a prototype suit with my militia assault rifle and I suck.

Well here's the thing, Hooc, and don't get me wrong but I think you're playing the wrong game here if you allow me to be perfectly straight forward with you. I mean, to remove the whole SP and levelling system is not gonna happen with Dust 514 because it's such a big part of the game, man, and, bro, if you don't like it, there are many shooters out there that doesn't have that levelling system whatsoever.

Edit: By the way I like your notes better than Mark's self notes about world domination.

LOL & Ric and Mark. I enjoy your guys postings.... it's pretty good reading. Actually I had to go back and read the title because I forgot what the original topic was after reading a page of your banter.

Really though, if you put the time into a class/playstyle/whatever, I don't think you should just get a respec whenever you want. But, by the same token CCP needs to make some provisions for when they completely re-work the skill tree (as they did, and are doing) and more milita gear is definitely needed so you don't have to **** away all your SP in tiny increments trying out standard versions of gear/weapons/etc....

I mean really - the active scanner, scrambler rifle, flaylock....? It's all stuff I want to try without spending Aurum or SP. It all adds up here and there, even if you are experienced and have a week or two's worth of SP to throw around without effecting your main fit & playstile.

But respec just to go from proto assault to proto scout of a different race? Respec to help your team in PC with a new flavor of fits every week? No way. Lame.

There are no other FPS games on the PS3 that allow mouse/keyboard...so you are stuck with me.

Also you are bad at this game and you should feel bad and you should quit.

Jesus Christ dude you've got to loosen up a bit, dude! I mean my God, you don't need to get all fired up about a conversation, bro, and yeah I'm not the best player around but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy playing it. I mean c'mon man!

You told me to quit...i told you to quit. Don't get your panties in a bunch because I wrote it better.

Note on writing style: Do not say you are telling it straight, instead tell it straight.

You told me to quit...i told you to quit. Don't get your panties in a bunch because I wrote it better.

Note on writing style: Do not say you are telling it straight, instead tell it straight.

Note on writing style: trim your freaking quotes.