DUST Search - The reason people are complaining on the forums

Harkon Vysarii wrote:

Isaa Quade wrote:

Harkon Vysarii wrote:

Isaa Quade wrote:

is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it.

Yeah but you remind me of the casuals who stepped into the Souls franchise when Dark Souls came out who did nothing but complain the game was too hard for them or they didnt want to bother learning the necessary play styles needed not to get beaten in PvP.

The game is good and I know that most people like it but we dont need to have all of this negativoty on the forums...sometimes we just need to accept that this is how its going to be for some time before things get better. After playing CCP's games for a while now I know that they will only get better.

But those arguments are against the core mechanics of the Dark souls, or what makes it what it is. Arguments against balance or clumsy controls are completely different.

And further more how can CCP know what to fix and for what reason if everyone just stays quite?

I know and this isnt a good argument I'll admit but it just feels so similar.

I respect those who give constructive feed back, threads that actually discuss mechanics and suggest ways to re balance things. I dont like seeing people complain and demand re balances.

Big difference being that one is a polite and typically well fleshed out and organised thread....the other is full of trolls and complainers with no suggestions capitalising on anothers thread.

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Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 118	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:20:00 - [1] - Quote is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 69	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:23:00 - [2] - Quote being frank and being a entilted child are very different. people who are frank but dont throw a hissy fit tend not to get as amuch abuse as the people who say things like ** CCP THIS GAME IS ** SOME DUDE SHOT ME HE SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED BAN HIM AND NERF HIS GUN. ONLY I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:23:00 - [3] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we bought it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. 1 - It-¦s free. 2 - It-¦s anonymous 3 - Anyone with a PS3 can create a fake account 4 - There are infiltrated saboteurs and paid commenters to try to ruin the game before it gets it-¦s critical mass 5 - It is interesting for the competition to insert faulty feedback and waste devs time 6 - Some people don-¦t have anything better to do 7 - Some people like the source of attention
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 118	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:25:00 - [4] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we bought it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. 1 - It-¦s free. 2 - It-¦s anonymous 3 - Anyone with a PS3 can create a fake account 4 - There are infiltrated saboteurs and paid commenters to try to ruin the game before it gets it-¦s critical mass 5 - It is interesting for the competition to insert faulty feedback and waste devs time 6 - Some people don-¦t have anything better to do 7 - Some people like the source of attention Oh come on. Saying that people with complaints are conducting industrial espionage? Sounds like you've been playing EVE too much :p
steadyhand amarr BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 536	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:28:00 - [5] - Quote Then the people whining are doing horrific damage to a game they apprently like. It's like punching your mate Gf because u like hereher. Makes no logical sense and everyone thinks your an ass hole :-P
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:37:00 - [6] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: [quote=Natu Nobilis] Oh come on. Saying that people with complaints are conducting industrial espionage? Sounds like you've been playing EVE too much :p Not all of them of course, most of the complaints are just whinny youngsters with no clue of social behaviour or optimal procedures for feedback. But have no doubt, some % of the posting is industrial warfare. Just because you're paranoid. Don't mean they're not after you.
BigussDikkuss Star Poopers of the Orc Nebula 77	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:43:00 - [7] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Then the people whining are doing horrific damage to a game they apprently like. It's like punching your mate Gf because u like hereher. Makes no logical sense and everyone thinks your an ass hole :-P How are those English classes coming? Nevermind. I can read for myself that you must be in the bottom of your class. Too much time in New Eden apparently...
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 311	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:45:00 - [8] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Oh come on. Saying that people with complaints are conducting industrial espionage? Sounds like you've been playing EVE too much :p EVE is real.. You don't have to play it, you just have to live and you know it. We know your corporate ways. We know you open complaint threads to drown out the legitimate feedback, halting real progress with white noise so you can disenfranchise the fanbase and drive us to your inferior product. We are on to you
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 481	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:48:00 - [9] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Oh come on. Saying that people with complaints are conducting industrial espionage? Sounds like you've been playing EVE too much :p Sounds like you're incredibly naive. nVidia sponsors games (The way it's meant to be played) and gets the game optimized for their hardware, meaning that ATI/AMD lose out on performance on those games. The opposite is also true. This is a not-so-subtle form of espionage, albeit legal. IGN and Gamestop have been accused of hyping games before they were released, of being paid reviewers for godawful games. It's rife in the gaming industry, and doesn't need to be done by a gaming website, it can be done for very little expenses, considering that making an account on any gaming website is free, and commenting is also free, meaning you can discourage any new players coming to the game for very little expense, and little to no risk of being caught.
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 120	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:58:00 - [10] - Quote Laheon wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Oh come on. Saying that people with complaints are conducting industrial espionage? Sounds like you've been playing EVE too much :p Sounds like you're incredibly naive. nVidia sponsors games (The way it's meant to be played) and gets the game optimized for their hardware, meaning that ATI/AMD lose out on performance on those games. The opposite is also true. This is a not-so-subtle form of espionage, albeit legal. IGN and Gamestop have been accused of hyping games before they were released, of being paid reviewers for godawful games. It's rife in the gaming industry, and doesn't need to be done by a gaming website, it can be done for very little expenses, considering that making an account on any gaming website is free, and commenting is also free, meaning you can discourage any new players coming to the game for very little expense, and little to no risk of being caught. Ridiculous. The people on the opposite side of the fence from you are the people saying CCP is going on metacritic and writing fake positive reviews.

Sponglyboy Squaredoo Not Guilty EoN. 51	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:01:00 - [11] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. You've a point
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:02:00 - [12] - Quote Detection Potential Internet Paid Commenters 50 Cent Party Want to Get Paid For TV Criticism? Shill for DISH. Get paid to comment on blogs You just have to flame the right subject: - AUR refund on release - Monoclegate (I was there, it wasn-¦t anything like people are reporting) - Broken Game will doom the game - 5K Player will doom the game Again, not saying those topics aren-¦t worth of discussion, they are, but the way you approach them makes al the difference between keeping and alienating a new player. There-¦s a big world out there, you better catch up with it. Videogames are a good testground, the real deal... it-¦s happening right now.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 481	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:53:00 - [13] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Ridiculous. The people on the opposite side of the fence from you are the people saying CCP is going on metacritic and writing fake positive reviews. Yes, it happens. However, no one really bases how to spend their money on a metacritic rating. The reasons most people look at reviews are as follows: To get an in-depth, "honest" look at game mechanics and features For real gameplay videos, to get a feel for the graphics To understand the sort of target audience the game is aimed at I didn't buy Skyrim, Borderlands, etc based off its metacritic score, and to date, I still haven't played Portal. In the gaming community, the best seller is word-of-mouth. If your friends are playing it, you'll likely play it too, and if you see that people enjoy playing the game, you will at least give it a try. Most marketing and PR companies understand this, which is why industrial espionage in this manner is a very distinct possibility, but has also been recorded as happening.
General John Ripper 187. Unclaimed. 208	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:54:00 - [14] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we bought it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. 1 - It-¦s free. 2 - It-¦s anonymous 3 - Anyone with a PS3 can create a fake account 4 - There are infiltrated saboteurs and paid commenters to try to ruin the game before it gets it-¦s critical mass 5 - It is interesting for the competition to insert faulty feedback and waste devs time 6 - Some people don-¦t have anything better to do 7 - Some people like the source of attention 6 and 7 for me.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 462	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:01:00 - [15] - Quote Its nice to see a healthy tin foil hat community in dust
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 416	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:03:00 - [16] - Quote We just can't stay away from a little cloak and dagger drama, can we?
Panther Alpha WarRavens 201	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:07:00 - [17] - Quote "The reason people are complaining on the forums" Because you always have people complaining in forums.....? Actually.. you always have people complaining about everything everywhere.. is a part of life.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2110	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:09:00 - [18] - Quote I agree, if I didnt like the game in someway, I wouldn't be here. But it's just substandard **** a year after I joined the beta, and core problems are repeated build after build.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 269	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:15:00 - [19] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Its nice to see a healthy tin foil hat community in dust If only were tin foil instead of common market practice... =/
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 226	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:16:00 - [20] - Quote "2 - It-¦s anonymous" speak for yourself, brother. some of us don't play that. Peace B

Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 270	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:45:00 - [21] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of ** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=741327#post741327 1. Just don't. It is a really important period for you and CCP. We have the birthday of EVE and the DUST514 public release. Everyone is super excited about both and we are working our sitting muscles on both, to make them real, to make them yours. I can feel your excitement for the new build and new contents, and that is good! I can also see your passion when you see nerfs to your favourite class or weapon, and that is good as well! I can see a group of players with different opinions and emotions about DUST514 and that is amazing because you managed to grow up a lot as a community. An year ago we were a hundred, now we are thousands, thank to your passion! What it is not good or helpful is what is happening in the forum right now: a swarm of spammy one-post micro-treads that casts a shadow on good ones**. We need your opinions, we need to hear your voices, through your posts or funneled by the CPM. We need these to develop DUST514 towards the direction that you want. We do not want "noise" caused by spam because it will make more difficult for us to see constructive (not good, constructive) posts among toxic ones. Thank you for understanding. Criticism is always welcome, and REQUIRED for the game to improve. No one is questioning the content of the feedback, but the FORM of the feedback. "You changd my rifle, the game is BROKEN" in 10x differente one line threads is waaaaay different than "AR Unbalaced: A review" Followed by "After careful testing, i think the AR is unbalanced after the recent changes due to X Y and Z factors. I noticed that the X feature is not quite right, a problem that is aggravated by the Y problem that has been reported for a long time, and still, no resolution. With a increase in A and a decrease in B factors, i think we-¦ll achieve a proper balance" People either out of frustration, ignorance of the proper channels of feedback/requests, or simply to flame and try to get other players angry/with a bad view of the tweaking processes, start a ranting spree that last time (with the AUR refund), took the first 6-7 pages filled with ranting and trolling!!! This gives work for the moderators, that could be getting the proper information to send up the chain of command, this alienates forum readers, because they can-¦t talk properly without the flood of topics, and the "main goal" of reporting a problem and trying to find a solution, is slot in the process of complaing per se. All i-¦m saying is that there are people that do this on ill faith, trying to incite the emotions of the people and going for an emotional argumentation instead of a factual one, screwing up the process for all involved. In a paradox, the more people complain in a bad way, the less we can solve the problems. We need more concrete, factual, structured feedbac, otherwise, it-¦s just a bunch of noice that takes up DEV time that could be used in making the game better.
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 121	Posted - 2013.05.15 21:29:00 - [22] - Quote So most of the people commenting about how I am wrong are using trolls as examples. What you have to understand is that my argument is regarding criticisms, not trolling. Just above trolling are legitimate complaints that are not articulated well (i.g. with profanity), but even in that form valid complaints shouldn't go un noted just because the speaker is a mongoloid. What I am seeing far to often is people with legitimate, well thought out, well articulated criticisms getting yelled at and called trolls and whiners because...well....I dont know why.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 280	Posted - 2013.05.15 21:38:00 - [23] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. Yeah but you remind me of the casuals who stepped into the Souls franchise when Dark Souls came out who did nothing but complain the game was too hard for them or they didnt want to bother learning the necessary play styles needed not to get beaten in PvP. The game is good and I know that most people like it but we dont need to have all of this negativoty on the forums...sometimes we just need to accept that this is how its going to be for some time before things get better. After playing CCP's games for a while now I know that they will only get better.
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 125	Posted - 2013.05.15 21:41:00 - [24] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. Yeah but you remind me of the casuals who stepped into the Souls franchise when Dark Souls came out who did nothing but complain the game was too hard for them or they didnt want to bother learning the necessary play styles needed not to get beaten in PvP. The game is good and I know that most people like it but we dont need to have all of this negativoty on the forums...sometimes we just need to accept that this is how its going to be for some time before things get better. After playing CCP's games for a while now I know that they will only get better. But those arguments are against the core mechanics of the Dark souls, or what makes it what it is. Arguments against balance or clumsy controls are completely different. And further more how can CCP know what to fix and for what reason if everyone just stays quite?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2997	Posted - 2013.05.15 21:44:00 - [25] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Criticism is always welcome, and REQUIRED for the game to improve. No one is questioning the content of the feedback, but the FORM of the feedback. So basically, you want less incompetent fools to show up in a forum on the internet? ... ... Good luck with that?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 488	Posted - 2013.05.15 21:46:00 - [26] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: So basically, you want less incompetent fools to show up in a forum on the internet? ... ... Good luck with that? Hope. Makes us human, really. Too bad most of the time it's in vain.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 314	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:08:00 - [27] - Quote Lets get one thing straight, people. It may not be good for you, but bacon tastes great.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 282	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:14:00 - [28] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. Yeah but you remind me of the casuals who stepped into the Souls franchise when Dark Souls came out who did nothing but complain the game was too hard for them or they didnt want to bother learning the necessary play styles needed not to get beaten in PvP. The game is good and I know that most people like it but we dont need to have all of this negativoty on the forums...sometimes we just need to accept that this is how its going to be for some time before things get better. After playing CCP's games for a while now I know that they will only get better. But those arguments are against the core mechanics of the Dark souls, or what makes it what it is. Arguments against balance or clumsy controls are completely different. And further more how can CCP know what to fix and for what reason if everyone just stays quite? I know and this isnt a good argument I'll admit but it just feels so similar. I respect those who give constructive feed back, threads that actually discuss mechanics and suggest ways to re balance things. I dont like seeing people complain and demand re balances. Big difference being that one is a polite and typically well fleshed out and organised thread....the other is full of trolls and complainers with no suggestions capitalising on anothers thread.
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 125	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:17:00 - [29] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: is because they like this game. Stop calling them whiners and crybabies. We all really, really like this game, and we want it to be good. If we got and it was a piece of **** we would just stop playing it, not go on the forums and talk about what we would change. So stop getting angry at people with comments, concerns, and suggestions, because at the end of the day we all just want to see Dust do as well as possible, and if that means being a little frank in our criticisms, then so be it. Yeah but you remind me of the casuals who stepped into the Souls franchise when Dark Souls came out who did nothing but complain the game was too hard for them or they didnt want to bother learning the necessary play styles needed not to get beaten in PvP. The game is good and I know that most people like it but we dont need to have all of this negativoty on the forums...sometimes we just need to accept that this is how its going to be for some time before things get better. After playing CCP's games for a while now I know that they will only get better. But those arguments are against the core mechanics of the Dark souls, or what makes it what it is. Arguments against balance or clumsy controls are completely different. And further more how can CCP know what to fix and for what reason if everyone just stays quite? I know and this isnt a good argument I'll admit but it just feels so similar. I respect those who give constructive feed back, threads that actually discuss mechanics and suggest ways to re balance things. I dont like seeing people complain and demand re balances. Big difference being that one is a polite and typically well fleshed out and organised thread....the other is full of trolls and complainers with no suggestions capitalising on anothers thread. But my original post was wholly referring to people who criticize and comment out of a love of the game, and a desire to see it get better and grow. Why would I defend trolls?
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 273	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:19:00 - [30] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: But my original post was wholly referring to people who criticize and comment out of a love of the game, and a desire to see it get better and grow. Why would I defend trolls? How can you differentiate that a "AR SuX, why can-¦t Crappy Crappy Pee do anything right?" came from a troll, or a frustrated non-articulated interested in the game player? Stupid people are as harmful as trolls, intentions are good, but don-¦t solve the issue.



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