forge guns and dropships are not balanced im a pilot and i have been shot down in 1 or 2 hits max and i use the python with shield hardeners but the biggest and most ridiculous reason i dislike forge guns is their range i have been in the red zone on our base and still get shot down they should nerf range and damage or nerf range and increase dropships shield or armor i mean forge guns are stronger than instalations at over 2000 damage a shot and have more if not the same range. sorry first post on a forum

In short, yes, because it ain't easy bein' cheesy... In either sense, flying dropships is difficult and so is wielding the forge gun/ being Heavy.

Only thing the DS need is a Buff to their armour and shields. Maybe change the forge gun and railgun installation--their damage decreases the further the target is but will punish any target near by. Because it is damn near impossible to be effective when you have 1 angry nerd sitting there the whole match shooting your DS from your aide of the map in their red line

He's right instalations are way under powered. Ballance threads for a minute I thought I was going to read about a dropship pilot complaining it's too easy to avoid forge gun's and they need a buff. But nope just another thread about nerfing something so it will be harder to kill you in your play style.

Av grenades are rarely a threat, but if you seriously believe that swarms are anon factor to dropships your an idiot. Swarms will punish any pilot who sits around in the area for too long and are a potent area denial for any pilot who is smart enough to stay out if range. Right nowswarms are quite well balanced, youmess up you die quickly, you fly well they're not a huge issue.

Forge guns on the other hand will kill you very quickly regardless of how well fit or how good a pilot you are.

I hope this is'nt another thread cryin about heavies. Just a bunch of people with bratty senses of entitlement who want to rule the field uncontested. Next thing ya know they'll call for forge gun nerfs. If your any bit a good pilot who fits your ship properly YOU R SIMPLY VERY HARD TO TAKE DOWN. Also,,cant help but notice not a single mention of swarm launchers,,HELLOOO,,THEIR MISSLE ROUNDS LOCK ON AND CHASE U. TO ALL THE " REAL PILOTS " OUT THERE,,FORGIVE MY RANT,,,JUST CANT STAND IT WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HEAVIES

I hope this is'nt another thread cryin about heavies. Just a bunch of people with bratty senses of entitlement who want to rule the field uncontested. Next thing ya know they'll call for forge gun nerfs. If your any bit a good pilot who fits your ship properly YOU R SIMPLY VERY HARD TO TAKE DOWN. Also,,cant help but notice not a single mention of swarm launchers,,HELLOOO,,THEIR MISSLE ROUNDS LOCK ON AND CHASE U. TO ALL THE " REAL PILOTS " OUT THERE,,FORGIVE MY RANT,,,JUST CANT STAND IT WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HEAVIES

You clearly have notread this thread at all, and the simple fact is I can throw your own argument back at you with no effort at all.

Being a FG user myself, the problem I can identify is this:

Forge Guns (and railguns) are fairly well balanced against everything else. Especially when higher-level HAVs are rolled out, this will become clear. It will become even more clear when there's a damage decay over 300m range on FG shots, which the devs have talked about. I can only hope that railguns will have the same sort of damage brake put in place otherwise every game consists of taking out every railgun installation before anybody can roll out any Dropships.

Dropships are fairly well balanced against everything else. A skilled pilot in a well-fitted Dropship can do a lot of stuff and get away from Swarms.

But Forge Guns (and railguns) versus Dropships is not balanced at all. I say "buff Dropships for more EHP" but this is only a quickfix which, together with price cuts to Dropships, will only temporarily make them more balanced against these weapons, but unbalance them against everything else. There need to be more balancing factors in place against this type of weaponry to make them more survivable and "worth it" in terms of ISK and SP investments.

Then there's the problem with Dropship pilots not getting enough WP rewards for the stuff they're supposed to be doing, which is another issue, but let's leave that for another discussion...

Being a FG user myself, the problem I can identify is this:

Forge Guns (and railguns) are fairly well balanced against everything else. Especially when higher-level HAVs are rolled out, this will become clear. It will become even more clear when there's a damage decay over 300m range on FG shots, which the devs have talked about. I can only hope that railguns will have the same sort of damage brake put in place otherwise every game consists of taking out every railgun installation before anybody can roll out any Dropships.

Dropships are fairly well balanced against everything else. A skilled pilot in a well-fitted Dropship can do a lot of stuff and get away from Swarms.

But Forge Guns (and railguns) versus Dropships is not balanced at all. I say "buff Dropships for more EHP" but this is only a quickfix which, together with price cuts to Dropships, will only temporarily make them more balanced against these weapons, but unbalance them against everything else. There need to be more balancing factors in place against this type of weaponry to make them more survivable and "worth it" in terms of ISK and SP investments.

Then there's the problem with Dropship pilots not getting enough WP rewards for the stuff they're supposed to be doing, which is another issue, but let's leave that for another discussion...

[quote=TuFar Gon]I hope this is'nt another thread cryin about heavies. Just a bunch of people with bratty senses of entitlement who want to rule the field uncontested. Next thing ya know they'll call for forge gun nerfs. If your any bit a good pilot who fits your ship properly YOU R SIMPLY VERY HARD TO TAKE DOWN. Also,,cant help but notice not a single mention of swarm launchers,,HELLOOO,,THEIR MISSLE ROUNDS LOCK ON AND CHASE U. TO ALL THE " REAL PILOTS " OUT THERE,,FORGIVE MY RANT,,,JUST CANT STAND IT WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HEAVIES[/q



understand from a pilots point of veiw you cant make a good fitting the CPU and PG are pathetic and a forge gun 1 or 2 hit kills any pilot no matter what i just want range reduced a small gun like that shouldn't be stronger than an instalation

It's hard to tell if all the dropships I've taken out have just been bad or my FG is just OP vs them. Most ships can only take one hit from my Ishukone Assault before dropping. Sometimes it MIGHT take two. I can totally understand why pilots are upset. It takes several shots on an LLAV and they are a lot more agile. It should take at least two shots to take out a basic ship, 3-4 for a good ship.

aren't drop ships virtually immune to swarm launchers/av grenades now due to their speed and height.

now they want to be immune to forge guns as well?

the phrase "in your dreams" seems pretty appropriate

Seems vehicles getting destroyed easily by ANTI-VEHICLE weapons makes the AV weapons OP.
To pilots, you gotta keep in mind in a dropship, you always have to keep moving, like any vehicle or infantry unit, you stand still for too long without good cover, you're going to get shot down fast.

On a side note, I don't really like to jump into the anti-Free LAV bandwagon (I don't really care either way for that), but in a way, they may be somewhat responsible for Dropships/ Tanks being destroyed extremely fast at times, I mean, ever since the LAV spam started, everyone has to have some AV measures all the time if they don't want a bunch of LAVs just driving around, running over everyone constantly.

So the anti-vehicle role went from something some people used, to a must have side-build necessary for everyone.
Most threads for or against free LAVs end up with a lot of people just saying "if you don't want to get run over, you should have some AV measures" or something of the sorts and of course with nothing being announced in regards of the matter for CCP, people are doing so.

So there's a chance its not that AV stuff is OP, but rather, that there's an overabundance of AV units at any given time?
Or maybe they ARE OP, who knows, as a pilot and an AV unit, I find them rather nicely balanced, but that may be just me, depends on one's sense of "balance" I suppose.

On another note, milita forge is **** as well and it aint gonna drop a militia easily .

I disagree, I have a militia with two militia heavy damage mods and I shoot the dropship once and it drops...like a ship.

Protip killing dropships: Aim for the rudders in the rear +50% dmg. You're welcome guys, hope this helps with your inability to oneshot dropships. If all goes well there should be a new thread call "QQ Dropship pilots quit, all AV oneshots all ships"

Protip to dropships: Fly backwards to avoid heavy fire to rudders.