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THE UNLIGHT
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:17:00 -
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For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask.... |
Rynx Sinfar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
609
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:20:00 -
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Thank god that was in all caps because I read the first 2 words and figured you were gonna be talking about the new flaylock but then BAM. Clear as day, Scrambler Rifle. Couldn't miss it.
Good save.
also don't know. |
Sean Huntsman
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:20:00 -
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It better, otherwise the Amarr bonus is lolwtf since laser rifles are next to worthless anymore |
Pombe Geek
Red Star.
EoN.
65
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:21:00 -
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THE UNLIGHT wrote:For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask....
iirc - it does. |
THE UNLIGHT
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:34:00 -
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Pombe Geek wrote:THE UNLIGHT wrote:For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask.... iirc - it does.
SERIOUSLY? Hmmm.
any way to confirm it? |
Scramble Scrub
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:35:00 -
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Yes it does. |
M3DIC 2U
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:39:00 -
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doesn't the weapon info state it somewhere too? Just curious. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
82
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:15:00 -
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M3DIC 2U wrote:doesn't the weapon info state it somewhere too? Just curious.
I think nope. It would be nice for CCP to confirm what falls into HYBRID and what falls into ''LASER weaponS'' ..... |
XANDER KAG
Red Star.
EoN.
127
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:19:00 -
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Yay, my sp was not spent in vain |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
312
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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no, it doesn't. Already tested today. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3857
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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Scramblers fire LASER-induced plasma channels, so I would say yes, they are laser weapons.
Hybrids are plasma and railgun weapons: AR, shotgun, plasma cannon, blasters, sniper rifle, forge gun, railguns.
It would indeed be nice for CCP to define this stuff in the game. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
475
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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No, it's a plasma weapon.
There are four different categories within EVE to describe weapon damage: kinetic, thermal, EM, and explosive.
Kinetic will be your standard slugs: blasters and railguns. Caldari AR will probably be kinetic.
Thermal is heat, think of flamethrowers and plasma. Gallente AR follows this pattern.
Explosive is fairly self-explanatory, think MD and Flaylock.
EM is anything to do with light. Laser rifles are a good example.
As far as I can tell, scrambler pistols and rifles fall into the thermal category, as their main damage-dealing element is the plasma induced from a laser. |
Christopher Green
The Arrow Project
6
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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It's a pulse laser therefore it is a laser.
Hybrid is rails or plasma I.e. sniper rifle, forge gun, shotgun, blaster rifle (AR)
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Green Living
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
219
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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The Laser Rifle would be fine if they would just get rid of the worst iron sight ever. |
Selinate deux
DUST University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:22:00 -
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Laheon wrote:No, it's a plasma weapon.
There are four different categories within EVE to describe weapon damage: kinetic, thermal, EM, and explosive.
Kinetic will be your standard slugs: blasters and railguns. Caldari AR will probably be kinetic.
Thermal is heat, think of flamethrowers and plasma. Gallente AR follows this pattern.
Explosive is fairly self-explanatory, think MD and Flaylock.
EM is anything to do with light. Laser rifles are a good example.
As far as I can tell, scrambler pistols and rifles fall into the thermal category, as their main damage-dealing element is the plasma induced from a laser.
It doesn't matter what the lore says, all we need to know is whether or not it gets the bonus from the assault dropsuit... |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
312
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:22:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Scramblers fire LASER-induced plasma channels, so I would say yes, they are laser weapons.
Hybrids are plasma and railgun weapons: AR, shotgun, plasma cannon, blasters, sniper rifle, forge gun, railguns.
It would indeed be nice for CCP to define this stuff in the game.
That's exactly why i spec'd in amarr...but there's no bonus for scrambler rifles. Its heat buildup is just the same as any other drop suit |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
69
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:22:00 -
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Rynx Sinfar wrote:Thank god that was in all caps because I read the first 2 words and figured you were gonna be talking about the new flaylock but then BAM. Clear as day, Scrambler Rifle. Couldn't miss it.
Good save.
also don't know.
10/10 to you sir. 10/10 to you... +1 |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
475
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:36:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:It doesn't matter what the lore says, all we need to know is whether or not it gets the bonus from the assault dropsuit...
In this case, the lore is important, as it dictates which suits get which bonuses.
For example, a Caldari suit is unlikely to get a bonus to Flaylock RoF, as the Caldari don't manufacture the Flaylock.
The Amarr manufacture the scrambler rifle, so any bonus from an Amarr assault suit should be granted to the scrambler rifle.
If you think the bonus isn't working, you can send a petition in to CCP, or post in the feedback/request subforum, both of which are more likely to get back to CCP than posting in this subforum.
To be honest, it's quite likely that the bonus isn't working as of yet, as there are a few bugs with skillbooks still, but any bonus from a dropsuit is harder to notice by the general population, and so is more likely to be overlooked IF bugged. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1490
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:38:00 -
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THE UNLIGHT wrote:For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask....
It's technically a fusion of a plasma and laser weapon, if you read the description for it in the market. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits
Heretic Initiative
251
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:41:00 -
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No; it is a direct energy weapon. |
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PADDEhatpigen
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:36:00 -
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I played Eve for 5 years and i know the weapons of eve, but in Eve its easy, in eve you buy ammo for your weapons,
and the ammo tels you what it is for, what kind of damage it does and so forth.
I do have an idea about the weapons in dust but to be honest even i dont know for sure.
In Eve its like this:
Armar prefer energi weapons = laser turrets, beam lasers and pulse lasers. They also prefer armor.
Gallante prefer hybrid weapons = hybrid turrets, blasters and railgugs. They also prefer armor.
Minmatar prefer protectile weapons = artillry cannons and auto cannons.They also prefer shields.
Caldari prefer hybrid weapons = hybrid turrets, blasters and railguns. they also prefer shields.
All races have ships that have bonuses to missiles,drones, bombs, speed, electronic warfare, etc.
There are 4 damage tybes. Em, Heat, Kinetic, explosive.
In Eve its WHAT kind of AMMO you use that deside what kind of damage you do to your aponant.
A lot of the ammo have mixed dammage types, and there are also diferent range bonuses, and you can se it on the item info of the ammo what that is.
Example. hybrid weapon charge for a hybrid turret.
Antimatter charge small:
50% reduced optimal range
capacitor need bonus 0%
Em damage 0 HP
Explosive damage 0 HP
Kinetic damage 7 HP
Thermal damage 5 HP
Range bonus - 50 %
In Eve the bonus in the ships tels you what kind of weapon to fit.
Example: Amar frigate. Use laser turrets, Ammo name-Friquency crystals.
Executioner.
Amar frigate bonus skill bonus per level:
10% bonus to small energy turret capacitor use.
5% bonus to small energy turret damage
Role bonus: 80% reduction in propulton jamming systems
activation cost....
In Eve if you only train to use energy weapons, you can only use energy weapons. EASY.
In Dust its not like that, in Dust we do NOTtrain in hybrid weapons we train lets say assault rifle, and we are able to use ALL assault rifles, no matter what race its for.
There is no way to se what kind of damage it does or what race it was made for, or if its a hybrid weapon or not.
We need to have more info on the weapons to be able to make the right choises in siuts and weapons.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3868
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:40:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:No; it is a direct energy weapon.
Lasers are electromagnetic radiation, thus they are directed energy weapons. |
Ravhin keq
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:41:00 -
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THE UNLIGHT wrote:Pombe Geek wrote:THE UNLIGHT wrote:For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask.... iirc - it does. SERIOUSLY? Hmmm. any way to confirm it?
well i used the SAR last night on my Amarr Assault suit, i can tell you using the rapid fire SAR i fired the hole 72 round clip without over heating the gun. not sure if this is because of the drop suit or not. I've not tested this with a different suit yet.
but so far i like it.  |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
ROFL BROS
133
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:12:00 -
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yes it benifits from the bonus, my corp tested this witht he charge varient or the scrambler rifle
2 charged shots in non amaar suit vs 5-6 (cant remember wich) in the bonused suit |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
94
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:14:00 -
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THE UNLIGHT wrote:For Amarr Assault path purposes if i may ask....
it's the amarr form of the rifle. while it's a 'laser weapon' because it's an amarr weapon, the benefit is that it gives weapon feedback, and the amarr suits are well equiped to deal with weapon feedback |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
314
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:50:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:no, it doesn't. Already tested today.
Yes, it does. The bonus is possibly a little bugged atm, but the Scrambler is a laser weapon.
And for the record the four weapon types in Dust are:
- Laser - Strong against shields, weak against armour (130/70 I think, could be 120/80). This is your Laser Rifle, Scrambler Rifle and Scrambler Pistol.
- Hybrid - Slightly stronger against shields than armour (110/90). This includes the AR, Shotgun, Plasma Cannon, Sniper Rifle, Forge Gun and possibly Nova Knifes. The future Rail Rifle, Rail Pistol and Ion Pistol will also fall into this category.
- Projectile - Slightly stronger against armour than shields (90/110). This is the HMG, SMG as well as the future Combat Rifle.
- Explosive - Strong against armour, weak against shields (70/130, could be 80/120). This includes the Swarm launcher, Mass Driver and Flaylock Pistol. Locus Grenades and AV grenades, somewhat obviously, also fall into this catagory.
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RINON114
B.S.A.A.
152
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:16:00 -
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Great to see how clear it is that everybody agrees.
/sarcasm |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2982
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:27:00 -
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OP's question is not (or at least wasn't intended to be) "is the Scrambler Rifle a Laser?"
In spite of the topic title, the ACTUAL question is "does the Scrambler Rifle benefit from the Amarr Assault suit's bonus to Laser heat buildup?"
Unfortunately, I don't know if it does or not, but hopefully someone who does know can show up and answer the ACTUAL question the thread was trying to ask.
Thank you for your time. And a hilariously entertaining thread. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
312
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:40:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:OP's question is not (or at least wasn't intended to be) "is the Scrambler Rifle a Laser?"
In spite of the topic title, the ACTUAL question is "does the Scrambler Rifle benefit from the Amarr Assault suit's bonus to Laser heat buildup?"
Unfortunately, I don't know if it does or not, but hopefully someone who does know can show up and answer the ACTUAL question the thread was trying to ask.
Thank you for your time. And a hilariously entertaining thread.
already told you guys that no, it doesn't receive any bonus from the amarr drop suit |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
218
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:45:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:OP's question is not (or at least wasn't intended to be) "is the Scrambler Rifle a Laser?"
In spite of the topic title, the ACTUAL question is "does the Scrambler Rifle benefit from the Amarr Assault suit's bonus to Laser heat buildup?"
Unfortunately, I don't know if it does or not, but hopefully someone who does know can show up and answer the ACTUAL question the thread was trying to ask.
Thank you for your time. And a hilariously entertaining thread. already told you guys that no, it doesn't receive any bonus from the amarr drop suit
and you are wrong :) |
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