Here is a hint when engaging a heavy move back about 15 feet.

P.S no on runs a sentintinel . Quit whining and get good!

Chromosome was running Assault Suit + Assault Rifle with Sharpshooter Proficiency 4/5

Now that the HMG damage has been buffed -beyond- what it was in Chromosome (range I could understand but damage?) I'll let everyone in on a little secret considering we just got ROFLStomped by it.

Entire team of Proto Sentinels.

Duvolle Tacts/HMGs/Forge Guns will destroy anything you put on the field and you just can't throw out enough damage to do anything about it.

Anyway, now that you know what's going to be the most common/efficient strategy - you'll know what to expect for the rest of the build once people catch on.

Edit: I advocated for the HMG being buffed because it needed it - but it might have been buffed a bit too much. Just saying.

Additional Edit: This isn't so much the HMGs/Heavies being over-powered as the state of which the game is at the moment. Right now, due to weapon ranges (yes, even I'm starting to agree) the teams just move in massive blobs that shift along the battlefield. Being as it's now meat-grinder style, and the Heavy is king of the Meatgrinder, there's no valid defense against it.

The HMG does about the same damage as last build.

Last build the HMG did 17.6 damage (including the 10% bonus from Weaponry).
Now the HMG does 18.0 damage.

And the Imperfects come to the rescue of their tried-and-true tactics.

Seriously, if CCP ever stopped listening to your threadnaughts - this game might actually be pretty good.

I've one hit killed heavies with nova knives before. In fact I did the math and with Minmatar Scout you can get over 1200 damage with single hit from your nova knives (well, 2 hits since it's 2 knives).

And the Imperfects come to the rescue of their tried-and-true tactics.

Seriously, if CCP ever stopped listening to your threadnaughts - this game might actually be pretty good.

Huh?

You said the HMG had gotten a major buff since last build?

I just state the facts.

For your information I was heavy last build, and now I'm not - because the heavy is currently bad in my opinion.

GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.

Are you just dumb Aeon?

I've just said the HMG did 17.6 damage last build including the same 10% bonus every weapon just received.

How is 0.4 more damage a major buff?

And range is lower than last build as well https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

Please tell me how the HMG is better than last build?

And the Imperfects come to the rescue of their tried-and-true tactics.

Seriously, if CCP ever stopped listening to your threadnaughts - this game might actually be pretty good.

THIS ^

Good luck getting close to them in the middle of the blob dude.

Now that the HMG damage has been buffed -beyond- what it was in Chromosome (range I could understand but damage?) I'll let everyone in on a little secret considering we just got ROFLStomped by it.

I've one hit killed heavies with nova knives before. In fact I did the math and with Minmatar Scout you can get over 1200 damage with single hit from your nova knives (well, 2 hits since it's 2 knives).

EDIT: I'm not saying that nova knives are game breaking, I'm just saying yet again scouts are heavies worst nightmare.

This is what you said in the OP.

Again, please tell me how the HMG has been buffed since last build.

0.4 more damage is a slight buff, yes.

5% less dispersion is a slight buff, yes. Although how do you know the HMG didn't get 5% more dispersion in Uprising and the hotfix just reverted that tweak?

Then range has been lowered a little, which you can see in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread.

Overall I wouldn't say the HMG has been buffed, at all.

Also you seem to be the only person having trouble with HMG heavies?

This is what you said in the OP.

Again, please tell me how the HMG has been buffed since last build.

0.4 more damage is a slight buff, yes.

5% less dispersion is a slight buff, yes. Although how do you know the HMG didn't get 5% more dispersion in Uprising and the hotfix just reverted that tweak?

Then range has been lowered a little, which you can see in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread.

Overall I wouldn't say the HMG has been buffed, at all.

Also you seem to be the only person having trouble with HMG heavies?

This is what you said in the OP.

Again, please tell me how the HMG has been buffed since last build.

0.4 more damage is a slight buff, yes.

5% less dispersion is a slight buff, yes. Although how do you know the HMG didn't get 5% more dispersion in Uprising and the hotfix just reverted that tweak?

Then range has been lowered a little, which you can see in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread.

Overall I wouldn't say the HMG has been buffed, at all.

Also you seem to be the only person having trouble with HMG heavies?

To be fair ^ he has a point I have yet to run into a heavy that caused undue difficulty, sure some have killed me but none in a fashion where I call BS OP fatguy. TAC ar's however....

And you as well are missing the point of the topic. HMGs are fine the way they are, but the state of the game (due to reduced weapon ranges probably) puts the teams in massive blobs I.E: Meatgrinder scenarios. The Heavy is King of that and when you have 12+ of them, there's no defense against it.

Grenades, MD, FG, remote explosives?

Again, trying to change the argument to plug your playstyle so you can break the game some more.

I'll simplify it for you since you're obviously not gathering basic math skills.

0.4 more damage = slight buff.
5% less dispersion = slight buff.

Slight buff = buffed BEYOND (Preposition
At or to the further side of: "he pointed to a spot beyond the trees"; "there was the terminal and, beyond, an endless line of warehouses".) what it was in Chromosome.

Understand now, silly? See how you just fabricated the 'major buff' part so you can try to be more manly in front of your friends?

Edit: Also I'd like to point out that, once again, you are completely missing the point of the topic and are just expanding your Imperfect e-peen. That is all.

Let's not forget that you can't run 3 dam mods anymore on the heavy -nerf

Turn speed reduced -nerf
Range deceased a whole lot - nerf

So not seeing the huge increase you claim from last build.

Didn't I already say I'm not heavy anymore, so how is saying the HMG heavy is bad fitting my playstyle?

You still forgot about the less range. You also still don't know if the HMG has more dispersion than last build, despite the 5% buff it just got.

Also how am I missing the point when your OP said the HMG heavy combo is destroying your team when the stats are showing that the HMG isn't really any better than last build?

Hah, Mass Driver. Funny.

Man you're a whole new level of special.

Big bold lettters, just for you since you can't read either.

WEAPON RANGES REDUCED
TEAMS CLOSER TOGETHER
MEATGRINDER GAMEPLAY

I use the MD and yes its a bit dodgy at the moment thanks to a glitch but its still useful for scattering, if heavies really are running in groups of 12 plus (a scene I have yet to see) AOE weapons are the answer see 12 fatguys waddling at you run round corner drop some RE's run a bit more and get an orbital from 2 RE's lol.

Plus heavies are slow and even though the AR has had a range nerf it still has more range than the HMG so use hit and run tactics.

Then dont feed the Grinder Meat, If you are a Meaty blob running into a Meat GRINDING blob then the problem is not the Grinder, but the Meat



and in case you didnt understand hear it is in BOLD

MEAT = YOU

All I'm going to say is go try that in ambush, you'll learn.

I use the MD and yes its a bit dodgy at the moment thanks to a glitch but its still useful for scattering, if heavies really are running in groups of 12 plus (a scene I have yet to see) AOE weapons are the answer see 12 fatguys waddling at you run round corner drop some RE's run a bit more and get an orbital from 2 RE's lol.

Plus heavies are slow and even though the AR has had a range nerf it still has more range than the HMG so use hit and run tactics.

Again what about all the other options people have suggested grenades and the like.

Also about "Game Breaking Strategies." Isnt that the point of strategy to figure out new ways to get ahead.

Just as a bonus as well last build a remember a certain corp I played against in a few games when ever it was manus peak they would get to the mountain and a heavy using a Thale would take up residence along with a logi contantly reping him for guardian points and to make him virtually unkillable, the other two in the squad would provide AV and anti infantry on those trying to take him out, Now is that a "Game Breaking Strategy."?

You bring shame to your family with how poorly you troll.

Never did I say they received a "major buff", you fabricated that to strawman the argument in your favor - such is the nature of your collective.

A 5% dispersion buff means that more rounds land on target - increasing the damage output. Hopefully I don't have to break down the math for you because then I'd have just typed out a bunch of BS for you to completely ignore anyway.

The topic isn't about the HMGs - they're just a symptom - they're effectiveness is spot on for what they're supposed to accomplish, HOWEVER: the way the weapon ranges are at current puts everyone into large blobs. Combine that with 12+ players using the HMG combo and you've got the meatgrinder from hell. Unless you chose to completely ****ing ignore that and be a troll, which I see you did.

Edit: Being as the teams are gathering in the way that they are - that might explain why the damage/range was reduced from last build in the first place, or did you somehow forget that when you were trying to extend your e-peen?

I just saying, the game was fine before the 10% weapon boost, it just needed some fixing here and there....That was a very stupid decision, that i hope CCP corrects SooN.

What about the strategy I observed, heavy swarms are game breaking was the strategy I outlined game breaking aswell?

I know the issue in this thread is the TC says heavy swarms are game breaking and when people gave a list of counters it changed to the game was fine before the +10% so its kind of hard to tell what the point has devolved into.

Plus the strat or exploit I pointed out was perform regularly by a squad from your corp so complaining some one uses game breaking strategies when your corp has also done this is a bit rich.

Is lots of people in my corp, some of them i don't even know, because they play in a different time zone. I can't and will not, talk for everyone in my Corp. I talking in a independent personal level.