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Ignoble Son wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging
~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively.
~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't.
~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG
~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns
~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too.
~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me?

"Vehicle Balance
In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week.

Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp
Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp
Militia LAVs - 60% more hp
Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp
Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp
Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp"

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread

As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do.

Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all.

Don't forget madrugers and gunnlogis are missing from that list too. Shocked

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Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 301	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:32:00 - [1] - Quote ~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2871	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:35:00 - [2] - Quote We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again. It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 202	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:36:00 - [3] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all. Don't forget madrugers and gunnlogis are missing from that list too.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 302	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:40:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again. It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth. It's not QQ or HTFU either. It's ridiculous and you're right. Since Assault and AV out number us 1000 to 1 we're just meant to be clay pidgins for everyone to enjoy blasting millions of ISK out of the sky with some free, zero SP militia forge guns. Except this backfires when all DS pilots either go on strike or just quit the game. I think we've had enough patience. And most of that patience was based on promises and statements made about Uprising. Now after all this, they're on borrowed time. It's quickly depleting if not gone already.
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 166	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:40:00 - [5] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all. Don't forget madrugers and gunnlogis are missing from that list too. No they are not. They are STANDARD TANKS
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 302	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:41:00 - [6] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all. Don't forget madrugers and gunnlogis are missing from that list too. True but I assume that's because they're temporarily out of the game altogether for the next 3-6 months or more. Whereas this pointless dropships punching bags are still with us. Their pilots won't be though....soon.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1384	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:43:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, I can see the concern. I may hunt dropships for a living, but you guys have to actually find them worth flying or I have nothing to shoot at. -__- If you fly dropships for your Dust living, or know some expert dropship pilots you can put me in touch with, feel free to contact me: Kain_Spero on Skype, in-game mail Kane Spero, and [email protected] CCP does have a lot on their plate and as long as the continually make progress, communicate, and listen to quality feedback I think we will end up in a good place. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't make your concerns known.
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:44:00 - [8] - Quote They will have to get at least the wp issue with dropships adressed before commercial release. Won't they? I mean it is official game release after all.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 305	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:46:00 - [9] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG I hate to be picky, but this isn't exactly right. We're missing 25% additional powergrid. We're only actually missing 20% powergrid. Say a vehicle has 450 PG, and we add an additional 25% from skills. Now it has 562.5. 450 / 562.5 = .8 1 - .8 = .2 .2 = 20%
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2872	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:47:00 - [10] - Quote I'd just like to clarify while I'm here that I became a pilot in Uprising specifically to help my corporation in PC and FW. I was well aware that CCP has no immediate plans to help us become an actual, sustainable profession; however, that doesn't mean I can't provide my feedback over the issue. One of the most glaring issues is how it's quite obvious that ONLY veteran players with an excess of SP an ISK can become pilots, as the cost is far too steep for a new player to learn, coupled with the abysmal SP gains which means they must take longer and longer to be good at what they want to do. Unlike most players, my own personal SP doesn't even matter to me. I have almost enough to be a maxed out pilot, so I can do the best that CCP will let me do for my team. However, I believe that all aspects of this game should be fun and rewarding for new and veteran players alike; Dropships do not fit into that idea as they stand, and have stood for over a year now. The only changes we receive are things that make our job increasingly more difficult (and unlike just about every other playstyle in DUST, we tend to welcome it, since we enjoy how skill based flying is) It just sucks that CCP decides we aren't important to them, because there aren't enough of us.

Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 302	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:59:00 - [11] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Yeah, I can see the concern. I may hunt dropships for a living, but you guys have to actually find them worth flying or I have nothing to shoot at. -__- If you fly dropships for your Dust living, or know some expert dropship pilots you can put me in touch with, feel free to contact me: Kain_Spero on Skype, in-game mail Kane Spero, and [email protected] CCP does have a lot on their plate and as long as the continually make progress, communicate, and listen to quality feedback I think we will end up in a good place. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't make your concerns known. I get stomped on the ground in free fittings for a living. 6-14 games to pay for every Dropship I lose to AV/RDVs. But Added because all my SP is in DS and I'd be glad to answer any questions you have. I'll also add you in game if you'd like to sit in the passenger seat and see what it's like up here sometime. Or I could hand you the controls and let you feel for yourself what's going on with DS. Don't take my word for it.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 356	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:01:00 - [12] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG I hate to be picky, but this isn't exactly right. We're missing 25% additional powergrid. We're only actually missing 20% powergrid. Say a vehicle has 450 PG, and we add an additional 25% from skills. Now it has 562.5. 450 / 562.5 = .8 1 - .8 = .2 .2 = 20% actually there is a 1% cpu and pg skill per level... so we are missing 25% there hal.
Felix Faraday Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:05:00 - [13] - Quote Give the DSs some love.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 496	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:14:00 - [14] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again. It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth. It's not QQ or HTFU either. It's ridiculous and you're right. Since Assault and AV out number us 1000 to 1 we're just meant to be clay pidgins for everyone to enjoy blasting millions of ISK out of the sky with some free, zero SP militia forge guns. Except this backfires when all DS pilots either go on strike or just quit the game. I think we've had enough patience. And most of that patience was based on promises and statements made about Uprising. Now after all this, they're on borrowed time. It's quickly depleting if not gone already. Pauses Skyrim: Preach, brother, preach. Looks at wasted 4 million sp on Assault Dropships AKA flying trash cans. Goes back to playing Skyrim. Remembers its my Destiny to go buy a soda but trips on some Bungie cords laying around.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 303	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:16:00 - [15] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again. It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth. It's not QQ or HTFU either. It's ridiculous and you're right. Since Assault and AV out number us 1000 to 1 we're just meant to be clay pidgins for everyone to enjoy blasting millions of ISK out of the sky with some free, zero SP militia forge guns. Except this backfires when all DS pilots either go on strike or just quit the game. I think we've had enough patience. And most of that patience was based on promises and statements made about Uprising. Now after all this, they're on borrowed time. It's quickly depleting if not gone already. Pauses Skyrim: Preach, brother, preach. Looks at wasted 4 million sp on Assault Dropships AKA flying trash cans. Goes back to playing Skyrim. Remembers its my Destiny to go buy a soda but trips on some Bungie cords laying around. Check out Demon's souls / Dark Souls.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 305	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:20:00 - [16] - Quote ladwar wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG I hate to be picky, but this isn't exactly right. We're missing 25% additional powergrid. We're only actually missing 20% powergrid. Say a vehicle has 450 PG, and we add an additional 25% from skills. Now it has 562.5. 450 / 562.5 = .8 1 - .8 = .2 .2 = 20% actually there is a 1% cpu and pg skill per level... so we are missing 25% there hal. Wrong buddy. I'll do the math over again. 450 * 1.05 = 472.5 472.5 * 1.25 = 590.625 450 * 1.25 * 1.05 = 590.625 (just to demonstrate the associative property of multiplication) 472.5 / 590.625 = .8 1 - .8 = .2 .2 = 20% Lad, don't argue with your Chief Technical Officer on numbers :P
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 381	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:21:00 - [17] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75594&find=unread Should make a lot of people happy.
Felix Faraday Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:27:00 - [18] - Quote The range that we can get dropped from the sky is incredible. If anyone is watching the air, you're lucky if you can fly around at the edge of the map.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2874	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:27:00 - [19] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75594&find=unread Should make a lot of people happy. As usual, everyone but DS pilots
SILVERBACK 02 BetaMax. CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:32:00 - [20] - Quote IM A GUNSHIP PILOT... AND I WILL BE STAYING ON THE GROUND UNTIL THEY FIX THIS B.S BUFF EVERYTHING ELSE EVEN HNGS BUT NOT DROPSHIPS... WOW.

Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 309	Posted - 2013.05.10 18:54:00 - [21] - Quote Anyone interested in piloting should pester Blam in this thread till he turns his head and acknowledges that drop-ships exist. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=781331
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1471	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:01:00 - [22] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all. They're putting the damage bonus on ALL weapons because ALL weapons were effectively nerfed by the removal of the 2% per level bonus of the Weaponry skill. What we're fighting isn't CCP, it's each other. We're fighting the idiots who want to come in from their other shooters and be able to solo any vehicle they see. Whenever they can't, they have more than enough numbers to drown these forums in TANKS514 or DS514 threads until no one else can even voice an opinion.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2904	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:12:00 - [23] - Quote Is there a reason why the devs are giving the "glass cannon" tanks a bigger HP bonus than they're giving the other tanks? It's evening out the gap that I thought was intended? Or am I wrong in thinking the glass cannons were meant to be glass cannons? Has anyone been experimenting with Enforcers yet? Do they even HAVE statistically significant numbers on those yet?
total masshole Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:16:00 - [24] - Quote i went mass driver back in december because flying was so pointless and broken, then they released the afterburner, brought me back to piloting, then they broke the afterburner, np i went back to mass driver, but then they buffed the afterburner back a little some 2 days later, so i com back to flying because the mass driver nerf.. if my ship is fuctup from last nights PG nerf, i guess i go back to my original AR until they nerf that. it's like their in panic mode, on borrowed time, and are nerfing everything in sight to "prepare" for launch. they don't understand that some noob will QQ on forums anyway despite everything they nerf.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1257	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:16:00 - [25] - Quote BTW, it would be great if you could pop over to My Dropship chase camera survey and let me know what you think. I want to give CCP Blam some numbers to back up what I think we want in the camera.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2886	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:21:00 - [26] - Quote I'm fairly convinced that CCP decided to keep dropships in the game as part of a betting pool. They all gathered around before Uprising was launched and took bets on how many people would skill into dropships, and how long it would take them all to smash their PS3s. It's really the only logical explanation I can think of.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:21:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Matchmaking GÇô we are working to put live an update to matchmaking on 5/14 that gets new players to play together, and keeps the vets and their proto gear away. For example: Entry to these battles will be limited by total warpoints earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. Looks like you guys are gonna be stuck in noob mode for a while
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1257	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:25:00 - [28] - Quote CCP keeps claiming to like dropships though.... The last bit I read was a dev saying that dropships encouraged the type of team gameplay that they are looking for. And really what infantry would have unconditional hatred of a vehicle that transported them to an objective and aided in assault rather than run around lone-wolf smashing everyone? We need to start transporting people, so get with your corpmates and try dropping them on objectives. Let's show CCP what they can do so they give us some love.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2886	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:28:00 - [29] - Quote Skihids wrote: We need to start transporting people, so get with your corpmates and try dropping them on objectives. Let's show CCP what they can do so they give us some love. I've basically lost all faith that dropships will be touched this year. All we ever get is lip service. I do my job as best I can, I get my teammates from objective to objective, pick them up when their under fire, distract enemy tanks and take them out along with installations, all while paying a boat load of SP and ISK to do so. And I get nothing. At all. Nothing but disappointment and aggravation. And that's as a vet pilot with a rapidly dwindling supply of millions of ISK. It's a joke that CCP does not care about, at all. Period.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 314	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:29:00 - [30] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Quote: Matchmaking GÇô we are working to put live an update to matchmaking on 5/14 that gets new players to play together, and keeps the vets and their proto gear away. For example: Entry to these battles will be limited by total warpoints earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. Looks like you guys are gonna be stuck in noob mode for a while Nope. Vehicle skills don't scale up as usefully as AV. Now I get to be graped by all proto AV in a dropship with 10 million SP that can hardly fend off militia AV. Oh what fun it is to fly in a flaming can of death. Match making is going to make this a living hell if they don't fix the &$*% out of dropships prior to it's implementation. 4 days? We're boned.



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