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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:32:00 -
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~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging
~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively.
~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't.
~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG
~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns
~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too.
~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me?
"Vehicle Balance
In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week.
Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp
Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp
Militia LAVs - 60% more hp
Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp
Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp
Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp"
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unread
As a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do.
Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all.
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again.
It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth.
It's not QQ or HTFU either.
It's ridiculous and you're right. Since Assault and AV out number us 1000 to 1 we're just meant to be clay pidgins for everyone to enjoy blasting millions of ISK out of the sky with some free, zero SP militia forge guns.
Except this backfires when all DS pilots either go on strike or just quit the game. I think we've had enough patience. And most of that patience was based on promises and statements made about Uprising. Now after all this, they're on borrowed time. It's quickly depleting if not gone already. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:41:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:~Spend 5 levels in a skill that they decide to radically change and nerf. No refund. Bait and switch BS is enraging ~Say they're going to decrease price of DS by half in patch notes. Increase price of all turrets instead, massively. ~Say they're going to give WP to pilots for lack of any reward currently. They don't. ~Break tons of fittings/survivability with said PG nerf. Now permanently missing 25% PG ~Claim to acknowledge vehicle/AV is unbalanced. 10% buff across board to all AV. LOL@2800 dmg forge guns ~Mention future plans to remove range limit FROM said forge guns. Probably swarms too. ~To counter AV buff, they give LAV's and HAV's more HP. But not dropships? Are you kidding me? "Vehicle Balance In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly. These changes will go out next week. Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp Militia LAVs - 60% more hp Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75583&find=unreadAs a DS pilot we were in a bad place before. After this? I don't even know what to say. CCP's behavior is erratic and contrary not only to balance but to what they themselves constantly state they recognize and intend to do. Iron Wolf Saber, Save us all. Don't forget madrugers and gunnlogis are missing from that list too. 
True but I assume that's because they're temporarily out of the game altogether for the next 3-6 months or more. Whereas this pointless dropships punching bags are still with us. Their pilots won't be though....soon. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:59:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Yeah, I can see the concern. I may hunt dropships for a living, but you guys have to actually find them worth flying or I have nothing to shoot at. -__- If you fly dropships for your Dust living, or know some expert dropship pilots you can put me in touch with, feel free to contact me: Kain_Spero on Skype, in-game mail Kane Spero, and [email protected]CCP does have a lot on their plate and as long as the continually make progress, communicate, and listen to quality feedback I think we will end up in a good place. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't make your concerns known.
I get stomped on the ground in free fittings for a living.
6-14 games to pay for every Dropship I lose to AV/RDVs.
But Added because all my SP is in DS and I'd be glad to answer any questions you have.
I'll also add you in game if you'd like to sit in the passenger seat and see what it's like up here sometime. Or I could hand you the controls and let you feel for yourself what's going on with DS. Don't take my word for it. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:16:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:We are the whipping post of DUST 514. There aren't enough of us, so CCP just puts us on the backlog over and over and over again.
It's not even doomsaying, it's just plain truth. It's not QQ or HTFU either. It's ridiculous and you're right. Since Assault and AV out number us 1000 to 1 we're just meant to be clay pidgins for everyone to enjoy blasting millions of ISK out of the sky with some free, zero SP militia forge guns. Except this backfires when all DS pilots either go on strike or just quit the game. I think we've had enough patience. And most of that patience was based on promises and statements made about Uprising. Now after all this, they're on borrowed time. It's quickly depleting if not gone already. Pauses Skyrim: Preach, brother, preach. Looks at wasted 4 million sp on Assault Dropships AKA flying trash cans. Goes back to playing Skyrim. Remembers its my Destiny to go buy a soda but trips on some Bungie cords laying around.
Check out Demon's souls / Dark Souls.
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:54:00 -
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Anyone interested in piloting should pester Blam in this thread till he turns his head and acknowledges that drop-ships exist.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=781331 |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:29:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Quote:Matchmaking GÇô we are working to put live an update to matchmaking on 5/14 that gets new players to play together, and keeps the vets and their proto gear away. For example: Entry to these battles will be limited by total warpoints earned per character and will prevent older players from joining.
Looks like you guys are gonna be stuck in noob mode for a while  
Nope. Vehicle skills don't scale up as usefully as AV.
Now I get to be graped by all proto AV in a dropship with 10 million SP that can hardly fend off militia AV.
Oh what fun it is to fly in a flaming can of death. Match making is going to make this a living hell if they don't fix the &$*% out of dropships prior to it's implementation. 4 days? We're boned. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Skihids wrote:We need to start transporting people, so get with your corpmates and try dropping them on objectives. Let's show CCP what they can do so they give us some love. I've basically lost all faith that dropships will be touched this year. All we ever get is lip service. I do my job as best I can, I get my teammates from objective to objective, pick them up when their under fire, distract enemy tanks and take them out along with installations, all while paying a boat load of SP and ISK to do so. And I get nothing. At all. Nothing but disappointment and aggravation. And that's as a vet pilot with a rapidly dwindling supply of millions of ISK. It's a joke that CCP does not care about, at all. Period.
Sounds 100% correct.
I front all the cost, and gain nothing but rage.
All we ever DO get is lip service. They say one thing and do the opposite. It's more than aggravating.
At this point one could objectively state that we've been consistently lied to. Try to argue against that point, I dare anyone.
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:35:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Quote:Matchmaking GÇô we are working to put live an update to matchmaking on 5/14 that gets new players to play together, and keeps the vets and their proto gear away. For example: Entry to these battles will be limited by total warpoints earned per character and will prevent older players from joining.
Looks like you guys are gonna be stuck in noob mode for a while Nope. Vehicle skills don't scale up as usefully as AV. Now I get to be graped by all proto AV in a dropship with 10 million SP that can hardly fend off militia AV. Oh what fun it is to fly in a flaming can of death. Match making is going to make this a living hell if they don't fix the &$*% out of dropships prior to it's implementation. 4 days? We're boned. You will be matched by WP, you don't have to worry about proto AV
idk, I've had to (virtually) AFK a ton to pay for this stuff.
10 games of ground pounding fail for every DS lost. I can make 20x more WP failing terribly on the ground versus in my ship though.
I'll have to compare some WP stats with other players and see where I'm at. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm going to do an experiment later today, once I calm down from raging over the bull kitten that is being a pilot.
I'm going to fly for 5 games of skirmish as best I can, trying not to die while doing my job. I'm going to add up my losses and stack them against my ISK gained, along with how much SP I gain.
Then, I am going to afk for the first time, for 5 games. I'll add up my losses and stack them against my ISK gained, along with how much SP I gain.
I'm curious to see what is more profitable; being a team player, or sitting in the MCC with a cup of joe.
I need to just leave the forums for right now, the rage is WAY too strong in this one.
Anyone could tell you how that'll go
5 skirmish, long games, rail tanks come out. Eat 5+ thousand damage from 500 meters away, You'll probably lose at least 3 ships maybe all 5. Assuming you limit yourself to one ship per game.
That'll be at least 4 million lost, perhaps 7.5 million lost. You'll gain somewhere around 100-150 ISK per match.
So you'll come out in the negative with at least 5 million ISK. between all 5 games, you might reach a total of 1000 SP.
Then when you afk it'll be all profit and after those 5 games AFKing you'll have made back the price of somewhere between a half to a whole dropship :)
So you'll have to play around (average) 40-50 games at 150isk per pop to gain back your losses. Have fun! |
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:38:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:CCP says they're fixing it like every month but they never do.
This is what I've seen. Every few weeks or month the come out with the same thing
"We love dropships, we know they're in a bad spot. We know we need to give them some buffs and rewards. We know we need to lower the prices. We're going to make things very nice for pilots! "
And then they eviscerate PG, raise the prices, quadruple SP requirements, give us a more expensive gimmicky ship to be shot down as easily, and start talking about giving forge guns infinite range.
It's all double speak and no action. |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:41:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Yeah, I can see the concern. I may hunt dropships for a living, but you guys have to actually find them worth flying or I have nothing to shoot at. -__- If you fly dropships for your Dust living, or know some expert dropship pilots you can put me in touch with, feel free to contact me: Kain_Spero on Skype, in-game mail Kane Spero, and [email protected]CCP does have a lot on their plate and as long as they continually make progress, communicate, and listen to quality feedback I think we will end up in a good place. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't make your concerns known. have to agree with this, as a FGer, killing dropships has become a joke. what happened to the dance with the man in the sky? now i feel like i'm swatting flies for all the trouble derpships give me if it's not fun to kill you, i can't imagine what it's like to actually fly one 
(expensive)
If you'd like to experience how costly, squishy, and ineffective they can be add me in game. I'll let you fly my maxed out ships if you transfer the isk over lol. See how long till you go broke. I lost 20 million yesterday and I was doing pretty good.
If you play more than 5 games you'll lose at least a million to some RDV spawning inside you and there'll be nothing you can do about it. Now imagine trying to recoup those funds with zero SP in drop suits.
No kidding, if the mechanics are there in game for you to donate ISK to your corp and them to me, I'll give you some DS training and hand you the wheel on any setup you can imagine. |
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:33:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:i would more focus on the Logistic dropships they really need the love the assault DS is nimble enough for the quick hit and runs
might be fun to take off the guns on the logi DS would free up the fitting they need and the mobile mobile cru would give them a niche as a mobile tactical insertion.
maybe not this but, they need some kinda love.
And if I did this I would get a grand total of zero SP and isk per match. Oh but when the rail tank or forge snipes me out of nowhere I'll still be out a million.
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