LORE!!!! LORE!!!

That and a copy paste skill/level system taken from EvE which has no place in Dust because unlike in EvE where one cannot simulate maintaining a warp core engine aiming a gun at people and taking cover from fire can be simulated.

you do know this apart eve and not another generic fps. if you dont like go back to cod

ppl forget this not an FPS (like cod) but and MMOFPS. So its supposed to take for ever and pick up and win.

the skills are core feature they cannot take out. if you dont like it move on to another game

Okay since we are sharing common development ideas here are some for EVE PVP

1.No autopilot
2. All weapon systems have to be manually aimed and maintained
3.Flying the ship around in space makes the weapons system fire in random directions until you max out a skill that only does it slightly less
4. All equipment in EVE should be sold by NPC
5. Get rid of mid slots
6. Limit the size of a fleet to 16 to 32 max.


After all this is how its done in Dust. /sarcasm

For those unable to get the point, there are plenty of EVE players that would simply flip out and either a tell me to HTFU or STFU and quit trying to change their game.

Point: We dont go into EVE telling players how to play spaceship MMO and say this is how its done in Dust. Perhaps people can stop telling players who understand FPS how to balance it citing EVE as the basis for it.

Point 3 is the most pervasive, the fact im arguing with people who think RNG in shooters are an acceptable gameplay mechanic is just double facepalm worthy.

Not everything should be up for debate; its like arguing with climate change deniers who say well the jury's out since a few scientists disagree

Okay since we are sharing common development ideas here are some for EVE PVP

1.No autopilot
2. All weapon systems have to be manually aimed and maintained
3.Flying the ship around in space makes the weapons system fire in random directions until you max out a skill that only does it slightly less
4. All equipment in EVE should be sold by NPC
5. Get rid of mid slots
6. Limit the size of a fleet to 16 to 32 max.

After all this is how its done in Dust.

if you think actual EVE players want an RNG to decide if a shot hits in an FPS you are an idiot.

Dear God this IS an FPS, not point and hope.

Carebears might want it.

But no. Just...no.


the only thing I might like to see are resistances to damage types being fully utilized.

that would make a lot of balance a tactical choice rather than the devs micromanaging numbers.

EVE's been around for 10 years and is still going strong. If we can pick up some lessons which can help make the game experience better, I am down for them. The games are different, of course, but there are definitely some good ideas which can help us out.

Now, I know you were trying to make a point, but you forget here that capsuleers aren't trying to turn Dust 514 into a spaceship game, they just want it to feel closer to the EVE universe. The whole Standard / Advanced/ Prototype thing is noticeably flawed when compared to the EVE system of Tech I /Tech II /Tech III, lore is very important to us, and a lot of the concepts in EVE could work very well in Dust if applied correctly.

Gameplay>>Lore.

Good lore is better than bad gameplay.

gameplay matters more after all thats what we are playing, a game. The metaphysical and everything comes after that because if the game isnt fun to play than the lore never gets advanced.

Still doesn't change the facts. Good lore is better than bad gameplay.

agree to disagree, but it really isnt

EVE does many things right that Dust does not.

Tech levels, for example.

Dust has a linear progression system.

Standard is decent.
Advanced is good.
Prototype is great.

They are all basically the same, except the higher you go, the more versatile it becomes.

Now take EVE's system.

Tech I is the standard-level, and can successfully perform a variety of roles.
Navy is basically souped up Tech I, but isn't really all that more versatile.
Tech II is excellent, but is specialized and thus not as versatile. This is an important part of its design!

I'd rather read a great book about a game than play an awful game. Wouldn't you?

No i wouldnt.

You just admitted you would want to play an awful game. Therefore, why should I take you seriously?

And the dev diaries you linked. I've already watched them. They have nothing to do with this thread. They are differentiating Dust 514 from other FPSs, not Dust 514 from EVE.

If things as sacred as accuracy of a shot out of the barrel is something up for debate and something ppl are okay applying dice rolls to then there really is no hope for this game. Its really time for the nonsense to stop.

RL applies "dice rolls" to the accuracy of a shot out of the barrel.

Thus, I'm fine with the game doing it.

Yes, I agree, it's time for the "FPS games must make me feel like a GOD!" nonsense to stop.

Again, COD is that way ->

Okay since we are sharing common development ideas here are some for EVE PVP

1.No autopilot
2. All weapon systems have to be manually aimed and maintained
3.Flying the ship around in space makes the weapons system fire in random directions until you max out a skill that only does it slightly less
4. All equipment in EVE should be sold by NPC
5. Get rid of mid slots
6. Limit the size of a fleet to 16 to 32 max.


After all this is how its done in Dust. /sarcasm

For those unable to get the point, there are plenty of EVE players that would simply flip out and either a tell me to HTFU or STFU and quit trying to change their game.

Point: We dont go into EVE telling players how to play spaceship MMO and say this is how its done in Dust. Perhaps people can stop telling players who understand FPS how to balance it citing EVE as the basis for it.

Point 3 is the most pervasive, the fact im arguing with people who think RNG in shooters are an acceptable gameplay mechanic is just double facepalm worthy.

Not everything should be up for debate. There are some things that are considered universal truths. While im always open to rigorous debate, creating a fun game that people want to login and play because the gameplay is fun isn't.

Good gameplay is the engine of FPS and as people advance in their careers they will advance the metagame in turn and the lore it will create will be the result of a large sample of players acting to exert their skills/influence to have a hand in shaping the next decade of New Eden.

1.No autopilot
2. All weapon systems have to be manually aimed and maintained
3.Flying the ship around in space makes the weapons system fire in random directions until you max out a skill that only does it slightly less
4. All equipment in EVE should be sold by NPC
5. Get rid of mid slots
6. Limit the size of a fleet to 16 to 32 max.

Funny you fall back on the COD fanboi troll, id toss that out if i were a carebear that cant actually refute any of the OP. Too bad i hate COD and play KZ, Socom, MAG, Counter Strike, and more strafe shooters dating back for nearly 3 decades.