CCP Blam! wrote:
Hi all, thanks for your feedback. YouGÇÖre right to point out that the PG and CPU numbers needed some changes there, even after you compare their less robust slot layout and lower HP numbers to the Standard HAVs. On their own base fits, they fair decently against other HAVs but when players with enough skill points start swapping out these modules for more premium modules the fit starts to become a bit more imposing than what we had intended. As a result, IGÇÖve reduced the PG/CPU numbers so that each racial flavour of AUR HAV is a bit lower than their Standard tier equivalents, and swapped out modules in these fits to suit.

The changes are as follows:

Kaalakiota Tactical HAV
PG: 1905 -> 1800
CPU: 320 -> 320

Creodron Breach HAV
PG: 3880 -> 2584
CPU: 222 -> 214
Low slot module change: Militia Heavy Armor Repairer -> Militia Armor Repairer

Gunnlogi (Gallente Standard HAV)
PG: 1805
CPU: 330

Madrugar (Caldari Standard HAV)
PG:2905
CPU: 210


After this passes our local QA, weGÇÖll be sure to pass the update to you very soon.

To tack onto this, IGÇÖd like to assure you that weGÇÖll also be looking at increasing the vehiclesGÇÖ overall sustainability in combat so that you can start seeing longer, more engaging encounters on the battlefield.

Best Regards,
-CCP Blam!

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No refunds does not apply when you change the attributes of the product AFTER purchase. This falls into the categories of false advertising and bait and switch. Both of which are illegal

They didn't sell you the attributes though , or did the armor pack give their exact stats?
Also, the in-game items belong to CCP and they can adjust them as they see fit, all you bought was having those items credited to your account.

They didn't sell you the attributes though , or did the armor pack give their exact stats?
Also, the in-game items belong to CCP and they can adjust them as they see fit, all you bought was having those items credited to your account.

If you payed extra for a car with a V8 in it only to wake up and find out that the manufacturer replaced it with a V6 while you were sleeping, wouldn't you be angry? I purchased an armor pack to test the tanks out... then I purchased a ton more once I saw the PG on the Credron HAV.

I agree with op, that's not a tiny change... And how are u suppose to want to buy things fir aur when everything changes hardcore every other month ?

So they have less slots , less pg and cpu than standard tanks, and less hp what ?????????? You can't sell something for cash and then be like, nope you actually bought this totally different thing!

If op is smart he will remove all tanks are broken talk from the op, and focus on the refund bait and switch. Glad I don't spend money on this game yet that's for sure

Everything in this game is subject to change, how is that not clear? CCP would have a lawsuit on their hands everytime they changed any stats if that wasn't the case.

You guys can try court though

Everything in this game is subject to change, how is that not clear? CCP would have a lawsuit on their hands everytime they changed any stats if that wasn't the case.

You guys can try court though

Exactly right... if they do anything to existing tanks, I will probably never buy aurum again, period ever.

Its not legality issues at stake, its ethics.

They can take those tanks off the market and sell updated versions of the tanks, but they should never, ever, mess with the existing tanks that were already purchased.

If the AA pack is still on the market, the best solution would be to take it down now. Redo the stats, and upload it back up.

The existing tanks will remain, and just slow be removed from the market through attrition and vehicle destruction.

They shouldn't implement refunds or anything like that... just leave the already purchased tanks the way they are.

1000% agreed.

This is the most simple and most ethical option which will not lost CCP money or customers, and will not have any negative impact on the game.

Trust me, they WILL be destroyed... I have already lost 20 or more Creodron HAVs.

Also, they could turn this into an opportunity to make more money... If they change the pack by say lowering the PG (not as much as the Dev suggested tho, thats ridiculous) and adding one high power slot or something to make it sort of a weird fit... then I would buy it.

If they just lower the PG and repost the same pack... I probably wont buy any more, but I would be happy with the Creodron I had... treating them like gold.... and be happy with CCP. I would also be on the look out for more cool packs, and trust the CCP will not change them.

If they do not do this... well I just wont give them any more of my money....

The sad thing is that I have to buy a bunch of merc packs since they are going away(or at least changing) on the 14th.

I am holding out on buying anymore merc packs until I find out weather CCP is going to start changing stats of items purchased with real money.... it's a trust issue now.

Note: CCP could be really cool and send me a PM saying they will keep the current purchases the same and make a new pack tonight during maintenance... that way I could go spend a couple hundred bucks on the armor packs... I would too. Is CCP that smart?... LOL ... or will they do the opposite?

CCP, feel free to send me that message too

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Everything in this game is subject to change, how is that not clear? CCP would have a lawsuit on their hands everytime they changed any stats if that wasn't the case.

BUMP

OP please change the title of the post to something shorter, more precise, and less rage sounding. Reformat your OP using paragraphs, remove negative tone and focus more on keeping the current creodron and updating ONLY future sales. Will remove this text afterwards.

1. Did the terms of sale include the stats on the tanks? No. Your "false advertising" claim is invalid.

2. Did the terms of sale specify that the tanks are "Militia" vehicles? Yes. You should have been expecting Militia stats.

3. Is DUST advertised as specifically NOT being pay-to-win and has it had multiple weapons and modules with better-than-ISK-variant stats rebalanced to function identically to the ISK version? Yes. You should have, at worst, been expecting the same statlines as the Gunnlogi and Madrugar, but without the prerequisites.

1. Did the terms of sale include the stats on the tanks? No. Your "false advertising" claim is invalid.

2. Did the terms of sale specify that the tanks are "Militia" vehicles? Yes. You should have been expecting Militia stats.

3. Is DUST advertised as specifically NOT being pay-to-win and has it had multiple weapons and modules with better-than-ISK-variant stats rebalanced to function identically to the ISK version? Yes. You should have, at worst, been expecting the same statlines as the Gunnlogi and Madrugar, but without the prerequisites.