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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:17:00 -
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1. Did the terms of sale include the stats on the tanks? No. Your "false advertising" claim is invalid.
2. Did the terms of sale specify that the tanks are "Militia" vehicles? Yes. You should have been expecting Militia stats.
3. Is DUST advertised as specifically NOT being pay-to-win and has it had multiple weapons and modules with better-than-ISK-variant stats rebalanced to function identically to the ISK version? Yes. You should have, at worst, been expecting the same statlines as the Gunnlogi and Madrugar, but without the prerequisites. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.05.09 20:04:00 -
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eKona vinDar wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:1. Did the terms of sale include the stats on the tanks? No. Your "false advertising" claim is invalid.
2. Did the terms of sale specify that the tanks are "Militia" vehicles? Yes. You should have been expecting Militia stats.
3. Is DUST advertised as specifically NOT being pay-to-win and has it had multiple weapons and modules with better-than-ISK-variant stats rebalanced to function identically to the ISK version? Yes. You should have, at worst, been expecting the same statlines as the Gunnlogi and Madrugar, but without the prerequisites. The armor pack is priced much higher than the cost of the AUR for militia grade equipment, and equipment comparable to items requiring skills but without the prereqs. Who in the right mind would spend real money for militia tanks? I can see how people would purchase it once to see if it was worth it.... but if you then go and spend a bunch more money you are doing so because of the stats the item has. To have that item nerfed later is bait and switch, bottom line. There is no way around that.
Who in their right mind would pay money for items in a closed beta without a promise of those items being refunded on release?
Oh yeah, WE DIDN'T. Merc Pack came with exactly that promise when many people bought it. I haven't seen many voices supporting our rights, and unlike your complaint, the stats you're complaining about weren't included in the terms of the purchase agreement you made. The Merc Pack's conditions on purchase specifically included mention of a full credit on release, which is now, after the fact, being made conditional on a case-by-case reset rather than being applied as agreed.
I don't see many people supporting that argument in these forums, but you seem perfectly content to complain about a less-valid desire to keep pay-to-win items that you really should have seen the nerf-hammer coming for. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:54:00 -
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eKona vinDar wrote:This thread is about the armor pack, not the merc pack. The fact that I have not complained about the merc pack in this thread is a ridiculous argument.
Way to miss the point. That part of my comment wasn't specifically directed at you or at this thread. It was directed at the fact that most people on the forum have posted AGAINST giving Merc Pack customers the release-day credit as advertised. You're demanding that others support your argument which is far less solid than ours, so I'm saying there's no way it should be getting support from anyone.
Quote:I did not purchase the armor pack in closed beta. As far as I know, nobody could purchase anything in closed beta. This was OPEN beta. Open beta is completely different. It is rare that a game will have any kind of full reset, full redo of skills, of everything, going from open beta to full release. RARE.
Open beta is a general term almost all free to play/micro transaction system games use. Only a limited amount of select people participate in closed beta. EVERYONE can participate in open beta. In effect, open beta IS the full release, with an excuse for remaining bugs.
You don't know much about CCP, do you? Maybe you should have done your research before buying an obvious pay-to-win item in a game that's specifically promoting itself as NOT being pay-to-win and expecting it to stay broken?
Quote:Open beta is also when the pay to play items open up... and so it is natural that one would expect that if the developer is selling those items for real money, they are complete and in their final form. It is sloppy, unprofessional, and bad for business to begin selling items via MTS without considering those items. In this case it is a face plant fail on CCP's part that they did not consider that people with higher SP can and will purchase the armor pack and fit NON militia modules.
What kind of company doesn't consider that? Why would anyone NOT put better modules on the Creodron if they could? Why did CCP put that much PG on it in the first place? The tanks does not come with modules that use all that power grid, so for CCP to say "it was not our intention" is a lie or they are just plain dumb.
I'll admit - as CCP already have - that this was a pretty major oversight on their part. But that doesn't negate the fact that the terms of the sale DON'T set out that you have any right to expect pay-to-win stats from your items after purchase. It may suck for you that you're losing your advantage, but that doesn't make it CCP's fault. You were exploiting an oversight by the devs to get an unfair advantage over other players. It's no different from any other exploit. They've patched it, and now you have to work for your kills on the same rules as everyone else.
Quote:At this point, I am considering the possibility that CCP released the armor pack knowing how it would be used, because they are the developers and should know that someone with the right skills can fit that tank well.... so they knew that.... which means they knew that it would be a selling point, and that most tankers who bought that pack would buy more after trying it out.... and with this knowledge, knowing that they are selling people an item because of that one specific attribute, after people have purchased several of these packs they decide to reduce that one specific attribute making the whole package worthless.
BAIT AND SWITCH!
That's a nice hat you've got there. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:12:00 -
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Skittles McDuckett wrote:Quote:I'll admit - as CCP already have - that this was a pretty major oversight on their part. But that doesn't negate the fact that the terms of the sale DON'T set out that you have any right to expect pay-to-win stats from your items after purchase. It may suck for you that you're losing your advantage, but that doesn't make it CCP's fault. You were exploiting an oversight by the devs to get an unfair advantage over other players. It's no different from any other exploit. They've patched it, and now you have to work for your kills on the same rules as everyone else. They refunded AUR items. Nerfs have been class wide. They are heavily nerfing one specific item that was only available with actual cash. It wasn't a simple oversite. If it was, they should have pulled the pack immediately. there is no validity to your argument of "well we feel we were wronged more, so you cannot possibly be right." I fall into the same category as you as far as the merc pack release day credit. I feel we should get that to. This thread is specifically about the armor pack, it is even in the title. k thx, bai.
So because they're changing the stats on the armour pack, and announced publicly that they're going to, admitting that they didn't think the original stats through in terms of how they'd be affected by skills, you're assuming instead that they knew all along, and planned to try and get away with it until somene called them out?
I feel compelled to repeat my appreciation for your splendiferous hat. |
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