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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:52:00 -
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Look CCP has no intention of making newbie/low SP matchmaking. They instead opted for the nerfhammer option. CCP Blam said it. Things that got nerfed so the newbies get a chance vs proto:
-Removal of Sharpshooter skill
-Vehicle PG nerf
-Huge SP sink so that not everyone runs proto
-HMG aka the noob slaughterer damage and range nerf
-Viziam damage decrease and overall LR nerf (iron sights, larger heat build-up)
-TAC AR you're next |
13th Clone
The Merc Net
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:58:00 -
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Patoman Radiant wrote:Dazereth the 2nd wrote:I'm a newer player with less than 2m sp. So if this invalidates my opinion to you, please don't bother responding.
I'm somewhat casual, I suppose in that I don't get on the mic and play for hours with a team. Here's what I've noticed that's my primary gripe at the moment. I can live with not running Logi, as much as I hated to give it up. My problem is the primary deterrent from running full proto all the time is gone. There are people who were refunded billions of ISK.
Newberries like myself spawn in to play pub matches and we get proto-stomped into the ground as there are no checks on these older players. What's gonna happen at launch when we get X many more new people? Will it be easier because the player base will be larger, thus dispersing the high SP veterans over different matches? Or will they rain hate on them and scare them away?
Right now, someone with my SP and gear stands little to no chance against these full proto suits. I can kill them, sure. But if I'm ever in a close range firefight, I'm boned because of their gear. Every time. Now, don't tell me it's skill, because it's really not. If the teams are evenly matched, I do ok. Hell, I make top 3 almost every single time in BF3. It's not skill, I'm a good player.
I was just in two matches today where the other team was rocking full proto, all match long. I got a basic medium suit and a Gek. I love this game, it's just super unbalanced at the moment. You vets can defend the game all you want, stating that you've earned it this that or the other, but the bottom line is it's unbalanced and extraordinarily difficult for newberries to find enjoyment in the game due to the extreme SP disparity. I understand that this is a MMOFPSRPG or whatever. I get that gear is important. At a certain point however, that point is moot.
So, flame away. Tell me to "Adapt or die" but if you're not a newberry, you probably don't get it. I say being a new player definatly gives a better perspective of what CCP wants, they allready got lots of bitter vets. Us with 8-10 million can get a protosuit with protomods, but how long wiil it take a 2 million SP person to do timewise? Do you think they can be retained untill then?
I say no ATM for level 4dropsuit I need like 400k so that's two weeks of cap and what do I get nothing I need level 5 so it's another month just to raise it to5 for proto suit doesn't include maybe shield armour n gun so a month and a half of boring slow grinding and getting owned constantly also knowing I'm 2+ years away from competitively being able to participate in PC and probably FW also the player base is really small ( oh it's you again well I have no chance I gotta run away to my red zone or I wasting isk. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:26:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Dazereth the 2nd wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:See, I wasn't considering high/low mods in the equation, I was figuring that it would be based solely off of Dropsuit/Weapon meta. Yeah but if that were the case people would just twink out everything else and leave their weapon and dropsuit metas at advanced and rock proto shields and armor. So then they'd only be a worry for people in the Advanced bracket. Like missions in Eve, they should have 4 brackets (not counting level 5's)
You can run a pretty beastly Standard suit/weapon combo with Advanced modules and maybe one or two Proto items.
You can even run Militia weapon and suit with Standard and Advanced gear fitted to it. SP balancing is far more practical than limiting some aspects of gear and not others, OR limiting by full suits. |
IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:46:00 -
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Totally agree with OP
its very hard to get into with less than 2mill sp
However i dont want a matchmaking system at all, i want to choose what kind of game i want
also these should be done based on system security, CCP can open up more security states as it moves on
Currently it should be for instant battles only
(Suit cost is total suit cost)
1.0 - 0.7 max suit cost 10k
0.6 - 0.4 Max Suit cost 50k
0.1 - 0.3 unlimited cost
When we can handle more lobbies they can open up the full range
those isk values would need to be checked and make sure they would be the right numbers ofc thats just quick guess on my part
also you should not just be given isk in games, you should have to earn it based on your actions, so mercs will only join games where they can handle the heat
Due to having better gear in those lower sec games you will earn more isk in them, if you can handle it |
Dazereth the 2nd
Stoned Kloned Killers
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:31:00 -
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Absolutely appreciate all the feedback, I'm really hoping CCP sees this thread. This is a problem for sure. (Also, yes I seem to be getting a fair amount of 'nade kills myself)
The problem has been stated, taking bets on when/if a CCP dev acknowledges it or not. Nerf hammer seems to have hurt everyone, bittervets and newberries alike. I feel like this forum is populated by vets, and very few "Scrubs" like myself. I'm glad to see so much support from all play styles and experience levels.
If they just do something about this pubstomping junk and give one of the basic suits an extra slot, I'll play til the end of time. As it stands? AFK farming or turning off the PS3 and just waiting seem preferable to losing money and getting frustrated at the game. I'll be happy to spend real money on AURUM if the game ever gets to a point to warrant it.
I'm really hoping that we get a lot of people on the 14th. If we get enough, these vets will be scattered through the playerbase and pubstomps will become less prominent. If we don't get enough however, new players will join and be turned off by the amount of pure annihilation of them. So basically, we need newberries to outnumber vets by 2:1 on launch, or they're gonna be in a bit of a pickle. |
Dazereth the 2nd
Stoned Kloned Killers
28
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:22:00 -
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Bump before I go out to run errands.
What do you guys think would be an acceptable solution that maintains balance but also keeps that "Carrot" dangling to keep our new and old players into it? |
Raz Sidona
Department of Defence Planetary Response Force
Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:19:00 -
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Dazereth the 2nd wrote:Bump before I go out to run errands.
What do you guys think would be an acceptable solution that maintains balance but also keeps that "Carrot" dangling to keep our new and old players into it?
All i can think of is have a matchmaking system. Have a place vets can compete with others on their level and newbs play against other newbs to learn the game and to find a fitting that works with their play style. |
Dazereth the 2nd
Stoned Kloned Killers
29
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:54:00 -
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Raz Sidona wrote:Dazereth the 2nd wrote:Bump before I go out to run errands.
What do you guys think would be an acceptable solution that maintains balance but also keeps that "Carrot" dangling to keep our new and old players into it? All i can think of is have a matchmaking system. Have a place vets can compete with others on their level and newbs play against other newbs to learn the game and to find a fitting that works with their play style.
Yeah great idea, but they don't have enough players/have too many game modes for that to work adequately. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:59:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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