Most of your (legitimate) complaints will be taken care of with proper matchmaking. That will be only possible with higher player count than the 5k peak we have atm, though.

It's broken. Uprising update took Dust a step backwards.

Most of your (legitimate) complaints will be taken care of with proper matchmaking. That will be only possible with higher player count than the 5k peak we have atm, though.

We wont get higher player counts unless the game becomes new player friendly.

I already replied last page.

My point is, no matter how much you believe in what you're saying. End of the day, player retention will make or break this game. If there isn't enough money coming in, they won't bother losing money on server upkeeps. All I'm saying is make the roles more pronounced for nubs, right now a brand new player is more than 1.5m away from any role, and thats if they beeline for it and ignore all other skills.

We're talking months just to be able to play a class. That's the problem. Not to mention those months put in are of non-stop beatings in pubmatches. I get your point and all, and I respect you are where you are because you fought tooth and nail for it. I'm just saying we need something to keep people in the game. I like the game and i want it to last, don't you?

I have been there before man, you are not telling me anything I don't already know. I have put in the months worth or work you are speaking of. Only it was not as of putting for me as you describe it here. Change your tactics man do what is necessary to stay alive, do what is necessary to kill your enemies, don't get so overwhelmed by loosening pub matches that you have little to no control over who you are fighting with or against. Find good players/a good corp to play with and field squads into pub matches/play in corpbattles/planetary conquest.

If none of this helps you then I don't know what to tell you man.

In the beginning EVE was also doubted as a monumental failure, look where it is now. Only time will tell.

Uprising was more than a step backwards, it was the gun CCP used to kill their own game. The only way to save the game is to rollback to the last update or quickly fix all issues before launch. Once launch hits bad reviews will start pouring in. The few people who might actually have gotten into the game after launch will be turned away by a 3/10 review saying new players stand no chance.

I'm a newer player with less than 2m sp. So if this invalidates my opinion to you, please don't bother responding.

I'm somewhat casual, I suppose in that I don't get on the mic and play for hours with a team. Here's what I've noticed that's my primary gripe at the moment. I can live with not running Logi, as much as I hated to give it up. My problem is the primary deterrent from running full proto all the time is gone. There are people who were refunded billions of ISK.

Newberries like myself spawn in to play pub matches and we get proto-stomped into the ground as there are no checks on these older players. What's gonna happen at launch when we get X many more new people? Will it be easier because the player base will be larger, thus dispersing the high SP veterans over different matches? Or will they rain hate on them and scare them away?

Right now, someone with my SP and gear stands little to no chance against these full proto suits. I can kill them, sure. But if I'm ever in a close range firefight, I'm boned because of their gear. Every time. Now, don't tell me it's skill, because it's really not. If the teams are evenly matched, I do ok. Hell, I make top 3 almost every single time in BF3. It's not skill, I'm a good player.

I was just in two matches today where the other team was rocking full proto, all match long. I got a basic medium suit and a Gek. I love this game, it's just super unbalanced at the moment. You vets can defend the game all you want, stating that you've earned it this that or the other, but the bottom line is it's unbalanced and extraordinarily difficult for newberries to find enjoyment in the game due to the extreme SP disparity. I understand that this is a MMOFPSRPG or whatever. I get that gear is important. At a certain point however, that point is moot.

So, flame away. Tell me to "Adapt or die" but if you're not a newberry, you probably don't get it.

My gameplay isn't the issue, friend. I play well, I get kills and I do ok. That's not even remotely the problem. And I highly doubt a corp carrying me is the solution to this issue, it's deeper than that.

You're clearly in a different mindset, which while I appreciate isn't what I'm going for. I'd bet my bottom dollar that most newberries feel pretty much the same as I do. New blood is the life of a FPS and while I get what you're saying (Seriously, I really do) you just seem to be out of touch.

Really small changes can fix the issues I've brought up. I'm not asking to change the dynamics of the game, just asking for a little matchmaking or something to make the beginning a little less off putting to new players. I played before this patch and I liked the SP gains and the game just fine.

I don't know how to make it any more clear, 2m + several months to get in something beyond a basic suit is not only atrocious, but it's asinine. I'm clearly not gonna change your mind as much as you're not changing mine so let's just agree that we have different views on the matter.

And my point is nothing has changed.

Except the game is an SP sink now and it takes Tech 5 in faction dropsuit skill just to get into a suit. That's a big change dude, where are you?

As in previously it was all of 300k or less to get into a role suit, now it's well over 1.5 million.

Dude did you not just see me tell you that I am currently running basic advanced level dropsuits and absolutely destroying people with them (faction dropsuit included). Where the hell are you man.

With 5m sp, at least 3 times what I have and 10x what a newberry has. Try again please.

It takes time man. Patience is a virtue. Nothing has changed.

It doesn't take that much to get into a basic suit... it's the specific suits behind that which will cost you an arm and a leg. You don't need those fancy shmancy suits to play well.

@Dazereth

Well I am sorry that I seem to be upsetting you. I have recruited and helped a lot of newberries an my player retention is pretty good. Look message me in game come role with a few of us salty vets and see if that changes your mind any. Trust me, I know where you are coming from and what you are trying to get across to me, but I am inviting you to come and see it from my side.

Nah man, I get what you're saying and all. I'm saying, compared to last build, it's an SP sink to get into a competitive suit. Tell me basic suits aren't trash and I'll tell you where I can find a crazy person.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=761478#post761478 ppl dont render guns dont have range MD doesnt work injectors dont work.......

Proto Stomping won't be forever... Once Faction Warfare is actually working and Planetary Conquest is released you won't see many proto's in instant battles anymore because of the low isk payout. Right now all players are living in the high sec starting zone that is instant battles, however as soon as they are available veteran players will move to greener pastures with much higher isk payouts in FW and PC that will actually supprt then dieing 4-5 times in a full proto suit.

Yes in its current state dust is broken, but the fix is on the way.