I would rather see damage fall off be more progressive rather than all weapons having the same range.

HMG should not be able to fire with that ROF at an ARs optimal and still do more DPS

AR should not be able to out DPS an LR in a LR's optimal but the AR rounds also shouldn't just stop making impact all together.


Despite the range NERF to all weapons the AR is still the most viable weapon....now it's just used in a stampede. A few guys might get picked off in the herd rush by ranged weapons but once the pile of AR clones gets within 65 meters, it's a done deal. They mow down heavies before they get near the 20m heavy optimal. Weapons like the LR and TAR only have about a 20m windown to take down the AR heard before their range advantage is rendered useless.


More progressive falloff is needed or a blanket buff to all effective weapon ranges. Being able to sight up an enemy with iron sights or Doom mode plain as day and not being able to do ANY damage at all is pretty game breaking, IMO.

you should add bullet spread as one of your factors

long range: low spread
assault: medium spread
HMG/smg: high spread

Skill with Long Range Weapons comes from:
Being a player with excellent aim

Skill with Heavy Weapons comes from:
Being a player with excellent aim

Skill with Assault Weapons comes from:
Being a player with excellent aim

I think this should only be the case with solid projectile weapons (IE Rail, and ballistic... Specifically caldari and minmatar) weapons.

Blasters, like the gallente AR have projectiles that dissipate after a "short" distance. that would explain magically disappearing rounds. Lasers (and scrambler rounds, since they are lasers too) should have a dissipation of light after a certain range.

That said, I don't think *any* round should go on "forever" (or even to the end of the map). They should go until their falloff damage ceases, then just disappear. It makes no sense for a projectile to continue when it's not going to do any damage to anything it hits. The moment it stops doing damage, is the moment it should "disappear".

And seeing as this is a video game, we shouldn't have anything but high-powered rifles (railguns, and long-range rifles) that can shoot past a few hundred meters.

Any other weapon that uses "solid projectiles" should have their damage scaled to their weapon type, and moreover, the average size of the map.

We haven't seen the caldari anti-infantry heavy weapon yet. What if it totally trumps the HMG in range? Certainly we are many months away, if not more, from seeing heavy gun variants. but so far it's sounding like caldari weapons are going to be the ones you want to use if you want range, but at the sacrifice of a bit of power.

Overall, dis, I agree something needs to be done, but I don't want to go back to the ranges in chromosome.

Honeslty, I think the ranges in Uprising are fine, WITH THE EXCEPTION of the HMG. They shouldn't have shortened the HMG's base range from chromosome. damage? whatever, easy enough to overcome with damage mods. but range for the HMG.. now that you can't improve it, needs to be looked at.

Bullet spread is determined by the amount of kick.

I do not endorse random bullets spread.

oh, okay, i miss understood. i thought by kick you were referring to vertical movement. if you're factoring in horizontal walk as well I'm all for it.

I really like the discussion on this thread. Something needs to be done about range. The following are my suggestions.

* I like the idea of longer range and more cover

* All weapons subject to sway and movement penalties

* All weapons should be differentiated by racial mechanics

Caldari: Short- and long-range missiles, and long-range charged projectiles (hybrid)

Gallente: Short-range charged projectiles (hybrid), and drones

Minmatar: Short- and long-range projectiles, and missiles.

Amarr: Short- and long-range lasers and drones.


Missiles (i.e. Self propelled explosives) - limited fuel capacity dictates range, but has self-guidance capabilities. Long-range missiles have more fuel, less warhead charge. Rockets: short-range missiles that have less fuel, more warhead charge. Overall low capacity magazines due to increased ammo size/weight.

Projectiles - Bullet distance determined by initial charge. Trajectory determined by the ratio of mass to accelerate. Autocannon: Short-range projectiles that have a high rate of fire, high capacity (small projectiles), low recoil (due to small bullet/accelerant) and flatter trajectory but less range due to lower charge. Artillery: long-range projectiles that have a low rate of fire (due to high recoil and longer feed times), lower capacity, high damage and more curved trajectory but travels long ranges.

Hybrid GÇô Physical projectile charged with plasma, dissipates energy with distance but has greater terminal effect. Blasters: short range hybrids that overcharge the projectile with plasma; they hit very hard, but the physical projectile burns up sooner due to higher plasma charge. Average recoil, average capacity, and average rate of fire. Railguns: Long-range projectiles that have a smaller plasma charge but do not burn up over range. High recoil due to larger charge and larger mass, average capacity, average rate of fire

Laser - Air molecules distort energy beam over distance. Beam laser: highly focused beam laser that has longer range, but less energy to accommodate more sensitive focusing elements. Long range, no recoil, and low damage, subject to heat buildup. Pulse lasers: short-range lasers forgo tight focusing elements for raw damage. They deal high damage, have no recoil, but energy disperses quickly, subject to heat buildup.

Drones GÇô Semi-antonymous machines capable of inflicting a wide array of damage types. Subject to the limitations of the racial weapon it employs and will only work within a limited distance of the operator.

* * All weapons are subject to environmental conditions such as friction, gravity, energy dispersion etc. As such, all weapons have a falloff distance at which they no longer possess the terminal energy necessary to damage a dropsuitGÇÖs shields or armor. At extreme ranges, projectiles may impact the target, but the shields and armor are able to absorb the damage within their operating parameters. Only when the projectile contains more energy that the shield or armor is actively able to absorb will damage to the shield or armor occur.

These are my ideas for overcoming the current problems with range in DUST

Glad you picked up on a topic that has been a full throated roar for six months.

I've seen a couple of mentions about trajectory (aka bullet drop). Something people need to know/remember is that matches are not hosted on anyone's single console like other FPS games that can be mentioned. Everything is processed on CCP's server bay. To code in trajectory and travel time for small high ROF projectile weapons, and expect the system to track every bullet fired, would put a huge amount of stress on the servers even with only a couple of thousand players. That's why CCP only has travel time for large rail turrets and forge guns and not trajectory. Only grenade based weapons have both. Missiles and rockets are their own beasties.

It's funny that you brought this up, because I'm currently in a chat with some corp mates explaining further what I'm talking about....and this is not what I mean.

I'm talking about an effective damage reduction over range for each weapon, but no hard falloff. We're all basically within sight of every other player, after all.

We already have damage and range in the game. This is merely an increase in the factors.

It's not about Eve, a spreadsheet vs. spreadsheet of potentials in each shot. The target in DUST is either there or he is not. What damage is delivered should depend on the weapon and the player.

Whether the shot gets there or not should depend on the shooter and the gun. A sniper rifle should hit far and on the money every shot. An HMG should only get a few of the hundreds of rounds on target. But in both, the rounds should reach.

They should not vanish, with zero damage.