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Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:26:00 -
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Since we don't have the player market yet and my BPO's are pretty much useless to me I would love to have a portion on my AURUM restored. So i can spend it on more important things like boosters. |
Scramble Scrub
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:29:00 -
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Shut up. |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:30:00 -
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If you'd read the blog you'd see that you will be getting your aurum back on anything with a value, including the militia BPOs. Only thing you'll have left are those things that have no value at all, like the Merc Pack BPOs and the Titan event. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:30:00 -
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Check is in the mail! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3902
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:30:00 -
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Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
156
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:40:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:If you'd read the blog you'd see that you will be getting your aurum back on anything with a value, including the militia BPOs. Only thing you'll have left are those things that have no value at all, like the Merc Pack BPOs and the Titan event. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=752378#post752378 |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:41:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:If you'd read the blog you'd see that you will be getting your aurum back on anything with a value, including the militia BPOs. Only thing you'll have left are those things that have no value at all, like the Merc Pack BPOs and the Titan event.
And 3... 2... 1... |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
662
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:44:00 -
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Market speculation never gives you the rights to profit, it all depends on what CCP decides to do.
Suck it up, cause trillions of ISK has been lost and no one cared then nor now. And I speak as one who got lucky in the past. |
Drommy Hood
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:44:00 -
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havent posted on the forums in quite some months but THIS i could not resist!!!!!!!!
LOLLOL |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:46:00 -
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Yeah, found that thread a couple minutes after I posted. Ah well, would have been nice. I'd hoped to clear them out so I could Amarr-ize my character. |
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Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
136
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. I hope you guys are able to explain to them that this is BS.
I'm not even trying to make a profit. I just don't use the damn things anymore.
This was a low blow. And it's CCP bowing down the anti-AUR PTW guys.
Seems like a weird business model. Bow down to the guys who don't spend any money and screw the guys who have.
Strange. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
55
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:48:00 -
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I just thought I'd quote what I've written in the other thread, because I'm interested to see if others think I'm missing something.
Quote:Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not.
I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win.
Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds?
I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:48:00 -
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I like the QQing in here |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
115
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. I hope you guys are able to explain to them that this is BS. I'm not even trying to make a profit. I just don't use the damn things anymore. This was a low blow. And it's CCP bowing down the anti-AUR PTW guys. Seems like a weird business model. Bow down to the guys who don't spend any money and screw the guys who have. Strange. ppl would of gotten way to much aurum if they bought bpo's back when they were 30AUR each |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
854
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:51:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:If you'd read the blog you'd see that you will be getting your aurum back on anything with a value, including the militia BPOs. Only thing you'll have left are those things that have no value at all, like the Merc Pack BPOs and the Titan event. Militia bpos are not being refunded, dev post today confirmed it |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
214
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:54:00 -
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Look all im saying is CCP has a separate way of tracking aurum purchases for each account. I know this because i thought i wasnt credited 2 boosters because the market bugged and after i restarted they were there, but i had already written the support ticket. Before i could get a chance to tell them nevermind they had the data to show my acct had received the boosters.
Point is CCP could easily avoid the profit users would make on BPOs by refunding them AUR at the rate they purchased. (of course many would be fuming over this as these were purchased at cheaper rates, which ppl want to keep either as collectors or to sell to collectors down the road)
So its a clash of ppl who would have Aurum now at the value they paid for(many would be happy to have it at that rate and not seek to exploit it for market gain)
vs
Those who few closed beta testers that purchased a lot of BPO's at the lower market rate in anticipation of AUR refund or to sell on secondary market once it opened knowing that they're higher AUR price meant a larger eventual ISK return(a perfectly fair use)
Additionally there are those who purchased a single bpo of all the bpos for the purpose of collecting them or selling them to collecters. They would now have to repurchase them at a higher cost( a cost that everyone else has to pay now).
CCP very well could give us an option to choose in this regard too along with the character reset option as a SEPARATE option
Either keep you BPOs or AUR refund at the AUR price they were purchased at(that is a credit return no different than all the other AUR item returns, and since CCP can track the purchase but i imagine the price paid or at the least the date bought which can then be used to calculate the cost at that time).
Since these are BPO's there is no immediate day 1 rush to resolve this today. These things arent going anywhere |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:00:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. I hope you guys are able to explain to them that this is BS. I'm not even trying to make a profit. I just don't use the damn things anymore. This was a low blow. And it's CCP bowing down the anti-AUR PTW guys. Seems like a weird business model. Bow down to the guys who don't spend any money and screw the guys who have. Strange.
strange indeed. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
214
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:01:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Market speculation never gives you the rights to profit, it all depends on what CCP decides to do.
Suck it up, cause trillions of ISK has been lost and no one cared then nor now. And I speak as one who got lucky in the past.
Read the OP, clearly states a portion. In fact makes no mention of market profits.
CCP tracks AURum purchases seperately and is fully capable of determining the AUR value at which a person paid for their AURUM items. So they have the ability to refund the AURUM at the market value for which it was paid.
It would simply take a bit longer, and really the best way to go about it. But give people the option for this particular refund since there are those who would wamt to keep them for eventual sale on secondary market. |
Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
137
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:01:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Look all im saying is CCP has a separate way of tracking aurum purchases for each account. I know this from personal experience with CCP.
Point is CCP could easily avoid the profit user would make on BPOs by refunding them AUR at the rate they purchased. (of course many would be fuming over this as these were purchased at cheaper rates, which ppl want to keep either as collectors or to sell to collectors down the road)
So its a clash of ppl who would have Aurum now at the value they paid for(many would be happy to have it at that rate and not seek to exploit it for market gain)
vs
Those who few closed beta testers that purchased a lot of BPO's at the lower market rate in anticipation of AUR refund or to sell on secondary market once it opened knowing that they're higher AUR price meant a larger eventual ISK return(a perfectly fair use)
Additionally there are those who purchased a single bpo of all the bpos for the purpose of collecting them or selling them to collecters. They would now have to repurchase them at a higher cost( a cost that everyone else has to pay now).
CCP very well could give us an option to choose in this regard too along with the character reset option as a SEPARATE option
Either keep you BPOs or AUR refund at the AUR price they were purchased at(that is a credit return no different than all the other AUR item returns, and since CCP can track the purchase but i imagine the price paid or at the least the date bought which can then be used to calculate the cost at that time).
Since these are BPO's there is no immediate day 1 rush to resolve this today. These things arent going anywhere
But it does state in the Dev blog that this will be the last AUR and merc pack reset. So I'm not sure if I agree with the final statement.
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lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:05:00 -
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250 million Isk refunded 0o |
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Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
137
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:11:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:250 million Isk refunded 0o This is a great example of why I won't be using BPOs. I can run good suits forever with the ISK I now have.
I'll be totally off the AUR teet. Except for boosters.
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Betty Big Boobs
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:12:00 -
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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:23:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:250 million Isk refunded 0o
How did you find this out? |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:34:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:lowratehitman wrote:250 million Isk refunded 0o How did you find this out? I was able to get to character screen to log in and select character, than a loading wheel after I selected my gmt than a server boot. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:35:00 -
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I have it recorded 0o |
Specter RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
67
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:38:00 -
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First Breach rifles Then tanks
Now the pro Lv 6 Proficienied Complaining QQ Ultra (x24) Protoman has something else to roll his Nag mobile around at 5th Gear.
I don't even. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:46:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. I hope you guys are able to explain to them that this is BS. I'm not even trying to make a profit. I just don't use the damn things anymore. This was a low blow. And it's CCP bowing down the anti-AUR PTW guys. Seems like a weird business model. Bow down to the guys who don't spend any money and screw the guys who have. Strange. lol shut up, this whole AUR refund thing is new, back when you first bought them you knew damn well that you'd have to sell them for ISK if you no longer wanted them in the future.
Also, since they require no SP investment, and CCP is only doing this because of changes to the skill system, then there's no need to refund them anyway.
TL:DR get over it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2712
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:48:00 -
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Since we don't have the player market yet and my BPO's are pretty useful to me I would love to have a portion on my AURUM restored. So i can spend it on almost exactly the same BPOs I already have.
NOTE: Above wording may have been inspired by OP. There are a few changes I'd like to make, but for the most part, I want basically what I have now.
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
214
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:55:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Look all im saying is CCP has a separate way of tracking aurum purchases for each account. I know this from personal experience with CCP.
Point is CCP could easily avoid the profit user would make on BPOs by refunding them AUR at the rate they purchased. (of course many would be fuming over this as these were purchased at cheaper rates, which ppl want to keep either as collectors or to sell to collectors down the road)
So its a clash of ppl who would have Aurum now at the value they paid for(many would be happy to have it at that rate and not seek to exploit it for market gain)
vs
Those who few closed beta testers that purchased a lot of BPO's at the lower market rate in anticipation of AUR refund or to sell on secondary market once it opened knowing that they're higher AUR price meant a larger eventual ISK return(a perfectly fair use)
Additionally there are those who purchased a single bpo of all the bpos for the purpose of collecting them or selling them to collecters. They would now have to repurchase them at a higher cost( a cost that everyone else has to pay now).
CCP very well could give us an option to choose in this regard too along with the character reset option as a SEPARATE option
Either keep you BPOs or AUR refund at the AUR price they were purchased at(that is a credit return no different than all the other AUR item returns, and since CCP can track the purchase but i imagine the price paid or at the least the date bought which can then be used to calculate the cost at that time).
Since these are BPO's there is no immediate day 1 rush to resolve this today. These things arent going anywhere But it does state in the Dev blog that this will be the last AUR and merc pack reset. So I'm not sure if I agree with the final statement.
CCP can make exception and say that only a partial refund was conducted until this particular "exploit" was addressed.
Lets not overthink this
AUR refund at the original value the BPOs were purchased for those who want it or keep them for future sale or for collection purposes
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Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
137
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:57:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sell on the open market, give it to some deserving noob. I hope you guys are able to explain to them that this is BS. I'm not even trying to make a profit. I just don't use the damn things anymore. This was a low blow. And it's CCP bowing down the anti-AUR PTW guys. Seems like a weird business model. Bow down to the guys who don't spend any money and screw the guys who have. Strange. lol shut up, this whole AUR refund thing is new, back when you first bought them you knew damn well that you'd have to sell them for ISK if you no longer wanted them in the future. Also, since they require no SP investment, and CCP is only doing this because of changes to the skill system, then there's no need to refund them anyway. TL:DR get over it. Why are you flaming me? Did I wrong you in some way?
I don't get all the hostility on these forums. I've managed to communicate with folks without telling them to shut up.
You have an opinion and its different than mine. I'm not on here bashing the game or even CCP overall. I just don't agree with their approach to AUR.
Now... You shut up doodo head. Now I feel like a child. Thanks |
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