DUST Search - I'd like a militia BPO AURUM refund

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Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not.

I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win.

Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds?

I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications.


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Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:48:00 - [1] - Quote I just thought I'd quote what I've written in the other thread, because I'm interested to see if others think I'm missing something. Quote: Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not. I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win. Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds? I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:23:00 - [2] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: 250 million Isk refunded 0o How did you find this out?
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.06 15:49:00 - [3] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Needless to say CCP at the very minimum needs to return the AURUM at the original price point that they were purchased and i know they have all that data tracked, if they dont that is and even LARGER issue if CCP cant track our real money transaactions. CCP must not "refund" these items at the original price paid, unless I can repurchase exactly the same items I originally had at no loss. There was a price agreed to, we made a transaction involving real world money (even if that money was converted into a convenience AUR currency, and so they should not take those items off me. They need to develop and maintain trust in their store, and in our virtual assets. Your suggestion, insofar as it is a claim that CCP should force us to return our purchases at the original low price we paid, is rubbish. As an option for interested parties? That's another story -- but few people would take that option.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.06 15:58:00 - [4] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Additionally expanding why CCP needs to at the very least offer the option if not outright give us the AURum refund on the BPOs Is because just like all the other aur and isk items in our inventories they are being refunded along with SP because they account that players may not have utlity of these items which were purchased in a chromosome build where they did have utility. I should have said this in my previous reply. I agree that CCP should refund these bpo's, for the reason you state. Just not at the original low price unless I can repurchase exactly what I had. The only party that a refund hurts is CCP. CCP Eterne claimed it was a huge advantage for those of us who stand to profit handsomely, but I don't believe this unless they think that Dust 514 is in fact pay to win. And it's not clear to me that this even hurts CCP. Some will receive millions of AUR. Likely, that AUR will be spent on boosters. Even more importantly, that's a lot of AUR that those players would never have bought with real world money. Some of it will translate into lost sales, but some won't. Now suppose that CCP leaves us with these BPO's that we can later sell for ISK. The truth is, the ISK value of these bpo's will probably be relatively low. This will more directly translate into loss of revenue for CCP, I suspect, than an AUR refund at current prices, as players buy the BPO's for ISK instead of AUR. At the very least, it's not clear to me that CCP will be hurt more by an AUR refund at current prices. Maybe less. Not refunding hurts: a) Players who made decisions based on expecting an AUR refund (decisions they made in the last couple of days, since it's late news) b) Players who purchased BPO's because they plan one fit, but are now doing another for Uprising (have I missed anything?) Refunding hurts: a) CCPGÇªbut maybe not, for above reasons b) Other players, IF Dust 514 is pay to winGÇªotherwise, it shouldn't hurt other players (or give a huge advantage) So net result seems to me to be in favour of AUR refund. But I'm hardly unbiased. But one option is not available -- refunding me at low AUR price so I cannot buy back the goods I purchased from CCP previously. Time for bedGÇª just as Uprising is coming upGÇªbut I'm tired!