According to my calculations I made last night ill be getting 19,376,000 Aurum from my stockpiled militia BPO.

Cool.

How many BPOs did you buy?
I got 1 of each module and equipment BPO and that adds up to around 170k AUR.

I only got 1 of each, but I came up with 227,800 based off of current prices. Maybe you missed a couple? Did you get the vehicle module BPO's too?

How many BPOs did you buy?
I got 1 of each module and equipment BPO and that adds up to around 170k AUR.

I don't believe you bought 100 of each.

You don't need many to make a killing: BPOs went from 20-30 AUR to 5,000 to 20,000 AUR. That's right, their prices increased 200-fold or more.

here's the thing-

Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?

nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.

no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.

Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.

here's the thing-

Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?

nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.

no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.

Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.

Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's

:/

here's the thing-

Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?

nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.

no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.

Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.

Why in the heck would you buy that many copies of infinite use gear? Are you sure you don't mean 190K but added an extra few zeros? Why did you buy more than one BPO of each type of item/gear?

Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's

:/

Lets say you bought 50 sevr logistics BPO for 4800..
and then after refund you need only to buy one.

Still no profit?

here's the thing-

Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?

nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.

no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.

Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.

Exactly. still no profit.

It's a profit if they don't buy the same amount of BPOs again. Other AUR items didn't get a similar price increase, so they'll be able to buy more of those items than when they bought the BPOs.

I only got 1 of each, but I came up with 227,800 based off of current prices. Maybe you missed a couple? Did you get the vehicle module BPO's too?

Are you sure other AUR items didn't get an increase? That wouldn't make much sense for CCP when they constantly state their concern about their in game economy. They increased the AUR cost for everything else when they went open beta.

All non BPO items did not get a similar price increase.

Therefore people can buy more of all those items than they could when they bought their BPOs.

Unless you bought multiple copies initially knowing that the prices were going up when beta went open with the intent to sell when the market was open and only plan on buying one of each. I'm becoming an AUR millionaire overnight tonight.

How many BPOs did you buy?
I got 1 of each module and equipment BPO and that adds up to around 170k AUR.

I don't believe you bought 100 of each.

Nonono about a week before the beta went open, all BPO's costed like 30 AUR, and the Raven type I suit costed like 10k AUR. So you could buy 100 AUR BPO's and it would only cost 3000 AUR...... NOW if all of it gets refunded for the current market prices...... (3000 AUR per BPO) then hes making literally 300,000 AUR and only spent 3k worth......

I only got 1 of each, but I came up with 227,800 based off of current prices. Maybe you missed a couple? Did you get the vehicle module BPO's too?

Hmmmm, I wouldn't brag until the AUR is in the bank... What if CCP "refunds" the way any real world refund actually happens?? Y'know.. giving you back the same amount you paid. Or is it confirmed somewhere you get current market value?

But my main question..

This AUR multiply is ok and 40k AUR refund for old Merck packs is not?

The multiply is fine with me. The odds are I will replace virtually everything I have purchased. Maybe I don't need to buy them all but with the SP requirement getting significantly higher I suspect the militia gear is still going to be worthwhile. At least for the next month or two. But, I can wait until I need one to buy it. Then if I quit buying them and still have lots of AUR I can drop AUR tanks just for a bit of fun.

Realistically, the AUR is mostly a wash for the average player. And AUR items are not something I really use much of anyway. I did before Chromosome but not since. Why? No refunded AUR that is why.

As to the Merc Packs, so what? We are talking a meager $20 and I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of it.

Anyone can get a refund, all they have to do is ask for it. They will give it. I don't want it, never did, never wanted another character wipe after having been through two to many of them.

Who ever does will looooooose SP, ISK and have a brand spanking new empty character to fill with crushed dreams.

Keeping your SP, ISK and getting all the Merc Pack refunded, why would you think that is okay?

Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's

:/

A guy deposits a thousand dollars in a bank and then goes to a cryo/sleep facility to sleep for a hundred years.
A hundred years later the guy exits the cryo/sleep facility and goes to the nearest phonebooth and calls the bank to see what kind of money is in the acount:

One hundred million dollars is in your account says the voice on the phone.......
And the guy yells Im rich!, IM RICH!!!!

Then after the guy runs off the voice on the phone says: please deposit a ONE million dollar COIN for three more minutes.........

so you automaticly assumed that there will be Inflation.... but what will happen to the currency from ppl who bought 100k aurum who then find out that, if they had bought the aurum a day later they would have gotten 100mio aurum?
Ragequit forever maybe?

smart way to drive away ppl from what ever you're selling..

by the way that would induce an other problem. ppl would wait so that the aurum they are getting would be more because they would know at a later point they would get more aurum for the same amount of money. wait some time and you got a huge problem called DEFLATION.

Nice way to go CCP

You don't need many to make a killing: BPOs went from 20-30 AUR to 5,000 to 20,000 AUR. That's right, their prices increased 200-fold or more.

This assuming ofc that every item is actually getting refunded and not just laying there in piles....

Its all play-money even the real money is just printed paper.

This assuming ofc that every item is actually getting refunded and not just laying there in piles....

Hmm... 19,000,000?

Rounds to about $9,500 USD...

Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt.

say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt


300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions

it's all just assumptions

Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread...

That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there...

Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red.

It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.

Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think.

Merc pack's not renfunded was still small compared to this AUR wise.

Merc pack's not renfunded was still small compared to this AUR wise.

It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.

Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think.

here's the thing-

Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?

nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.

no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.

Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.

That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever.

So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them.

Exactly, because AUR has no value if you don't spend it on anything.

They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario.

If 1-2% of the community holds 99% of the aurum and it becomes tradeable it would drive out new players from buying in since aurum would be so deflated. Imagine EvE decides to give 5trillion isk to 1/10000 players. It would destroy the game. This is a huge mistake and when player trading comes in will effect us all.

Guild wars 2 has an extremely broken economy where goods are out of reach to players now because they changed market values overnight like this making a few extremely wealthy instantly. The top tier swords were selling for a few thousand dollars when I quit because there was market fixing by those who stumbled into absurd wealth through poor game market management.

They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario.

Not saying it would have other effects in the game. Just saying you can't count every single AUR that CCP gives away as a loss. And since AUR prices are fixed and they will have a natural ISK price floor it wouldn't break the economy.

I'll just leave this here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=752378#post752378