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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:14:00 -
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actually you made profit but only if you dont respend that AUR on the same thing in that case you would still be the same. However you can turn that AUR now into something better. For example the militia AR BPO is around 11.000AUR now and you bought it for 30AUR back then. This means that your 30AUR investment turns out with the worth off two 7 day boosters. And to be honest im not respending my AUR on crappy militia gear when i can finance myself with ISK so spending the new AUR on boosters for quicker SP gain is a much better choice. It all depends what you want to do. Just look at the other side. Militia equipment is allready damn cheap with ISK so why spending high amounts of aurum on something that you probs only use here and then? |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
186
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:49:00 -
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lolz. that is not profit.
That's in store credit ;)
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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
852
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:55:00 -
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I'm happy with my 300,000aur and 250,000,000 isk profit.
19mil aur is way too much if you play mostly isk fits and only use aur for vanity purposes.
I'm also happy that all reward/event/merc pack suits are being left alone, along with vanity suits (carbon, firebrand, colossus etc) |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
90
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:56:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Spy Mouse wrote:How many BPOs did you buy?
I got 1 of each module and equipment BPO and that adds up to around 170k AUR. I only got 1 of each, but I came up with 227,800 based off of current prices. Maybe you missed a couple? Did you get the vehicle module BPO's too?
200k for one of each 20 mil for 100 of each. Seems this persons math isn't that far off. People can buy multiples of the same thing, worthless atm, worthwhile for the future it seems. |
Flamesea
Shadow Company HQ
9
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Posted - 2013.05.06 07:59:00 -
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But my main question..
This AUR multiply is ok and 40k AUR refund for old Merck packs is not?
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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
189
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:05:00 -
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Congratulations to all closed beta nerds. You now have boosters for a lifetime. |
Soozu
5o1st
58
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:12:00 -
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Hmmmm, I wouldn't brag until the AUR is in the bank... What if CCP "refunds" the way any real world refund actually happens?? Y'know.. giving you back the same amount you paid. Or is it confirmed somewhere you get current market value? |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
507
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:26:00 -
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Soozu wrote:Hmmmm, I wouldn't brag until the AUR is in the bank... What if CCP "refunds" the way any real world refund actually happens?? Y'know.. giving you back the same amount you paid. Or is it confirmed somewhere you get current market value?
They've confirmed the current market value in like 10 different places, just look at the DEVblogs.
I said there was no way all these BPO's were going to be refunded because CCP would see the insanity in that but now I'm not so sure. If that's the case I'll be getting around $300 US in AUR while only spending $40 on 2 merc packs because of the BPO's I purchased before the price change with absolutely no reason to purchase the items again. That's the thing about it, with the current AUR prices for these things I'd be better off just buying militia items 100 at a time with ISK if I want to use them.
Boosters are the only thing I'd buy with the AUR so I'll be getting lots and lots of them for free so the whole thing makes no damn sense. Shame I'm going to be out of the game for most of this excitement though. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Orion Empire
403
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:31:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:But my main question..
This AUR multiply is ok and 40k AUR refund for old Merck packs is not?
The multiply is fine with me. The odds are I will replace virtually everything I have purchased. Maybe I don't need to buy them all but with the SP requirement getting significantly higher I suspect the militia gear is still going to be worthwhile. At least for the next month or two. But, I can wait until I need one to buy it. Then if I quit buying them and still have lots of AUR I can drop AUR tanks just for a bit of fun.
Realistically, the AUR is mostly a wash for the average player. And AUR items are not something I really use much of anyway. I did before Chromosome but not since. Why? No refunded AUR that is why.
As to the Merc Packs, so what? We are talking a meager $20 and I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of it.
Anyone can get a refund, all they have to do is ask for it. They will give it. I don't want it, never did, never wanted another character wipe after having been through two to many of them.
Who ever does will looooooose SP, ISK and have a brand spanking new empty character to fill with crushed dreams.
Keeping your SP, ISK and getting all the Merc Pack refunded, why would you think that is okay? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
410
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:41:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Flamesea wrote:But my main question..
This AUR multiply is ok and 40k AUR refund for old Merck packs is not?
The multiply is fine with me. The odds are I will replace virtually everything I have purchased. Maybe I don't need to buy them all but with the SP requirement getting significantly higher I suspect the militia gear is still going to be worthwhile. At least for the next month or two. But, I can wait until I need one to buy it. Then if I quit buying them and still have lots of AUR I can drop AUR tanks just for a bit of fun. Realistically, the AUR is mostly a wash for the average player. And AUR items are not something I really use much of anyway. I did before Chromosome but not since. Why? No refunded AUR that is why. As to the Merc Packs, so what? We are talking a meager $20 and I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of it. Anyone can get a refund, all they have to do is ask for it. They will give it. I don't want it, never did, never wanted another character wipe after having been through two to many of them. Who ever does will looooooose SP, ISK and have a brand spanking new empty character to fill with crushed dreams. Keeping your SP, ISK and getting all the Merc Pack refunded, why would you think that is okay?
It's beside the point whether or not it is a big deal for players. The issue is that CCP is perfectly happy to (apparently) hand over 100s of 1000s of Aurum based on a fairly benign purchase decision, but will risk the ire of some of their customers over the wording of their product's Ts & Cs, just to avoid handing out a much smaller amount of Aurum.
It doesn't make sense. |
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boba's fetta
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
35
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:57:00 -
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tbh i havnt seen any dev say that yes miltia bpo's are being refunded. i have one full set and some bits and pices for my alts. as far as im concered though this is just speculation. if it does happen i will more than likley grab back a few of the milatia bpo's to make up a free fit.
aside from that ill prolly buy some boosters though honestly i have no idea wtf id spend it all on. |
DJINN Kujo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
66
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:04:00 -
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I really hope they give us current Aurum price for these things: knowing prices would get raised, I myself bought 50 of every BPO out on the market. Yeah their MLT, but that's what happens when you have a few too many martinis and start thinking theoretically for a day like this that may become a reality. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:12:00 -
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seems some people don't understand what profit means... and btw you get a lot of profit from this
simple calculation
assuming 100k aurum was worth as much as its today. (about 62 bucks in my currency) you'll get an extra 10k i think.
so no you got 110k aurum.
so you buy bpo's for 50 aurum each and you invest 110k aurum. so now you have 2200 bpo's.
lets say those bpo's cost now 5k aurum. so now you have 2200 x 5k aurum (in assets) = 11'000'000 aurum (in assets)
liquified back into aurum on may 6th you'll make a profit of 6138 in my currency. but you can't refund it into cash.
so now you can buy boosters. 2 boosters at current 28k aurum makes 56k aurum per month.
you will run 16 YEARS with free active/passive boosters |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
479
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:14:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:Superluminal Replicant wrote:According to my calculations I made last night ill be getting 19,376,000 Aurum from my stockpiled militia BPO.
Cool. Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's :/
A guy deposits a thousand dollars in a bank and then goes to a cryo/sleep facility to sleep for a hundred years.
A hundred years later the guy exits the cryo/sleep facility and goes to the nearest phonebooth and calls the bank to see what kind of money is in the acount:
One hundred million dollars is in your account says the voice on the phone.......
And the guy yells Im rich!, IM RICH!!!!
Then after the guy runs off the voice on the phone says: please deposit a ONE million dollar COIN for three more minutes.........
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Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:22:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Flamesea wrote:Superluminal Replicant wrote:According to my calculations I made last night ill be getting 19,376,000 Aurum from my stockpiled militia BPO.
Cool. Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's :/ A guy deposits a thousand dollars in a bank and then goes to a cryo/sleep facility to sleep for a hundred years. A hundred years later the guy exits the cryo/sleep facility and goes to the nearest phonebooth and calls the bank to see what kind of money is in the acount: One hundred million dollars is in your account says the voice on the phone....... And the guy yells Im rich!, IM RICH!!!! Then after the guy runs off the voice on the phone says: please deposit a ONE million dollar COIN for three more minutes.........
so you automaticly assumed that there will be Inflation.... but what will happen to the currency from ppl who bought 100k aurum who then find out that, if they had bought the aurum a day later they would have gotten 100mio aurum?
Ragequit forever maybe?
smart way to drive away ppl from what ever you're selling..
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
479
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:27:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Flamesea wrote:Superluminal Replicant wrote:According to my calculations I made last night ill be getting 19,376,000 Aurum from my stockpiled militia BPO.
Cool. Wonder what will save CCP more.. Bad PR for Merck packs or Millions of AUR's back due stocking BPO's :/ A guy deposits a thousand dollars in a bank and then goes to a cryo/sleep facility to sleep for a hundred years. A hundred years later the guy exits the cryo/sleep facility and goes to the nearest phonebooth and calls the bank to see what kind of money is in the acount: One hundred million dollars is in your account says the voice on the phone....... And the guy yells Im rich!, IM RICH!!!! Then after the guy runs off the voice on the phone says: please deposit a ONE million dollar COIN for three more minutes......... so you automaticly assumed that there will be Inflation.... but what will happen to the currency from ppl who bought 100k aurum who then find out that, if they had bought the aurum a day later they would have gotten 100mio aurum? Ragequit forever maybe? smart way to drive away ppl from what ever you're selling.. by the way that would induce an other problem. ppl would wait so that the aurum they are getting would be more because they would know at a later point they would get more aurum for the same amount of money. wait some time and you got a huge problem called DEFLATION. Nice way to go CCP
Its all play-money even the real money is just printed paper.
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
354
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:28:00 -
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This assuming ofc that every item is actually getting refunded and not just laying there in piles.... |
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
551
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:29:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Spy Mouse wrote:How many BPOs did you buy?
I got 1 of each module and equipment BPO and that adds up to around 170k AUR.
I don't believe you bought 100 of each. You don't need many to make a killing: BPOs went from 20-30 AUR to 5,000 to 20,000 AUR. That's right, their prices increased 200-fold or more.
still pissed about missing out on that
that's HUNDREDS of dollars worth of free aurum |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:30:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:This assuming ofc that every item is actually getting refunded and not just laying there in piles....
As a result of the skill changes, items will also be adjusted. As such, the items in your Assets will be removed, and their ISK/AUR value at the time of the respec will be put back into your in-game wallet. This allows you to immediately retrain skills and repurchase items to remake your fittings and go to battle. Also, important to note, any PSN items (such as the Mercenary Pack) and any in-game event items (such as the Black Eagles, Skinweave and Quafe Dropsuits) will NOT be removed from your Assets.
Source: https://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:37:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
Its all play-money even the real money is just printed paper.
ok nice. would you like to give me your playmoney then? I'd like to have some more of it.
BTW extremly week argument. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
479
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:39:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:This assuming ofc that every item is actually getting refunded and not just laying there in piles....
I read what you posted and remembered that airline that went bellyup in 2011/2012.
Twenty brand new jets sitting on the flightline.
Two BILLION United States of America dollars worth of equipment just sitting there.
Like a friend said remember its all just playmoney at that level........... |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
74
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:43:00 -
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Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:47:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt.
say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt
300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
74
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:57:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt 300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions it's all just assumptions Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread...
That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there...
Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
507
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:04:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt 300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions it's all just assumptions Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread... That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there... Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red.
It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:04:00 -
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do you mean 1000 dollars or ppl? with ppl it would cost ccp 9.5millions |
Flamesea
Shadow Company HQ
10
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:07:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt 300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions it's all just assumptions Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread... That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there... Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red. It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others. Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think.
Merc pack's not renfunded was still small compared to this AUR wise.
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Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
509
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:09:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt 300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions it's all just assumptions Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread... That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there... Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red. It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others. Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. Merc pack's not renfunded was still small compared to this AUR wise.
Not following you, mate. Sorry. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:11:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Hmm... 19,000,000?
Rounds to about $9,500 USD...
Wonder how much money CCP stands to lose on this stunt. say we had 300k players in closed beta and 2% did this stunt 300k*0.02*9.5k= 57 Millions it's all just assumptions Very cool that not a single Dev has been seen in this Thread... That's PSN hack levels of stupid right there... Heck, I'm willing to bet that even if only $1000 did this, they'd still be deep in the red. It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others. Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. Merc pack's not renfunded was still small compared to this AUR wise.
if 1000 ppl did this it would be more or less an equivalent of 320k merc packs. And it would not have been cheaper as you would just add these costs to the others doubling ccp's loss |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
74
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:21:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think.
That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever.
So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them. |
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