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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:21:00 -
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mollerz wrote:here's the thing-
Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?
nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.
no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.
Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.
and this is why i invested my isk in suits and not just sitting on a pile of it |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
EoN.
469
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:26:00 -
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Its less fun killing a paid tank when the guy got 10,000 of them for $20 bucks. Please don't be retarted and refund paid products at the paid price not 2000x what they paid.. Face palm. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
509
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:27:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever. So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them.
They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:32:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:mollerz wrote:here's the thing-
Let's say you bought a sevr logistics BPO for 4800. Now CCP gives you 19800 for it. a profit of 15K rite!?
nice.. but if you want to buy a sevr to replace the refunded one.. it's 19800. so you actually made zero.
no biggie right? You'll just use it to buy other things.. but oops! All the prices increased with the sevr logo suit... so really, the 19m isk you now have is actually worth the same as you initially had when comparing AUR buying power before and post uprising.
Inflation is going to kill your dreams of becoming rich off an AUR refund.
Exactly, because AUR has no value if you don't spend it on anything.
"Your cash ain't worth a thing if you don't spend it!" |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
EoN.
469
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:37:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever. So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them. They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario.
If 1-2% of the community holds 99% of the aurum and it becomes tradeable it would drive out new players from buying in since aurum would be so deflated. Imagine EvE decides to give 5trillion isk to 1/10000 players. It would destroy the game. This is a huge mistake and when player trading comes in will effect us all.
Guild wars 2 has an extremely broken economy where goods are out of reach to players now because they changed market values overnight like this making a few extremely wealthy instantly. The top tier swords were selling for a few thousand dollars when I quit because there was market fixing by those who stumbled into absurd wealth through poor game market management. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
509
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:43:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever. So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them. They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario. If 1-2% of the community holds 99% of the aurum and it becomes tradeable it would drive out new players from buying in since aurum would be so deflated. Imagine EvE decides to give 5trillion isk to 1/10000 players. It would destroy the game. This is a huge mistake and when player trading comes in will effect us all. Guild wars 2 has an extremely broken economy where goods are out of reach to players now because they changed market values overnight like this making a few extremely wealthy instantly. The top tier swords were selling for a few thousand dollars when I quit because there was market fixing by those who stumbled into absurd wealth through poor game market management.
Not saying it would have other effects in the game. Just saying you can't count every single AUR that CCP gives away as a loss. And since AUR prices are fixed and they will have a natural ISK price floor it wouldn't break the economy.
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Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
74
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever. So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them. They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario.
But, there is indeed a way to calculate losses.
AUR actually has a fixed value in dollars.
1 USD = 2,000 AUR
5 USD = 10,000 AUR
10 USD = 20,000 AUR
20 USD = 40,000 AUR
50 USD = 100,000 AUR
100 USD = 200,000 AUR
I'm not counting the bonus AUR on the packages because they're technically declared as "free gift", and even if I counted them in, you'd only be discounting something like12.5% of the reverse price on the BPOs.
Note that we're talking people that stocked up on BPOs, of which I am sure may be quite a few of them. Heck, even those that didn't stocked them up and just got one of each BPO have a lot of purchasing power if they got their gear from before the changes in price.
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Flamesea
Shadow Company HQ
10
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:49:00 -
[68] - Quote
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Not following you, mate. Sorry.[/quote]
I mean that it would have been small beans ( and good gesture from CCP ) to keep all closed vets with merck pack happy by giving them back like 40k/pack aur for refund for those packs.. but it was too much for CCP. Now we have this and they are ok with this even with cost so much bigger? Bad PR for merc pack refunds and now this.
Just comparing these two things and their AUR cost to CCP (not to mention PR loss).
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
EoN.
469
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:56:00 -
[69] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:It's not so much CCP losing money because odds are a lot of people that benefit from this would never purchase the equivalent amount of AUR anyway. Since AUR isn't actually a real thing CCP's only loss is the opportunity of additional sales. It's more about the ridiculous advantage this gives to some players over others.
Interesting to see how this plays out but I'm still banking on it not being what people think. That's just it, the fact that they wouldn't purchase that much AUR in their game span means that it has to be written off as a loss because they're basically giving away free money. Those who get these upgrades will soon find themselves in the position of never having to pay for boosters (obviously the most popular item only AUR can buy) for a long time... if ever. So if there ever was a chance that these investors would have spent money on the game again CCP basically just lost them. They only lose as much money as the people would have bought without the free AUR. So there is no way to actually calculate anything about actual losses since there is no actual loss. For most players the amount of future AUR they would purchase will probably be much, much less than the amount they would receive in this scenario. If 1-2% of the community holds 99% of the aurum and it becomes tradeable it would drive out new players from buying in since aurum would be so deflated. Imagine EvE decides to give 5trillion isk to 1/10000 players. It would destroy the game. This is a huge mistake and when player trading comes in will effect us all. Guild wars 2 has an extremely broken economy where goods are out of reach to players now because they changed market values overnight like this making a few extremely wealthy instantly. The top tier swords were selling for a few thousand dollars when I quit because there was market fixing by those who stumbled into absurd wealth through poor game market management. Not saying it would have other effects in the game. Just saying you can't count every single AUR that CCP gives away as a loss. And since AUR prices are fixed and they will have a natural ISK price floor it wouldn't break the economy.
Totally agree. Without trading of any kind this has nearly 0 impact on CCP or the game. Once trading opens up it will hurt their revenue, expecially if AUR items are tradable. Don't worry guys I got this months boosters covered no need to buy AUR. **** they gave me $10,000 worth, anyone in that guys corp who pays a dime for anything is silly. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
531
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:15:00 -
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I'll just leave this here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=752378#post752378 |
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Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:16:00 -
[71] - Quote
Logical move :) |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
509
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
Holy crap it is kind of sad that I'm amazed CCP made such an informed decision and articulated it so clearly. I'm still a fanboy though I guess. Good call CCP. Keep it up. |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
40
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:27:00 -
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Cant wait to see if I really do get this 19 mil aurum lol. Gonna **** myself laughing if I do  |
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