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Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:08:00 - [61] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: What I'm asking is for a refund of the OTHER Merc Pack items, and the Aurum spent on OTHER ITEMS. Things like the HK4M Shotguns, which I know a few people experimented with, "safe" in the knowledge that we were owed another refund of them. The Stimulants. The Fused Locus Grenades (which I'm hoping we get an ISK equivalent for in Uprising). Any Dragonfly or Toxin BPOs that got deleted. THOSE should be refunded without needing a full character reset. The much later comment that there will be no more resets was taken way too far by folks of your ilk. The assumptions you made, and others picked up in the forums, were incorrect. I grow fat on year tears.
Stexn byd IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 8	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:12:00 - [62] - Quote Denial Mystic wrote: Stexn byd wrote: Very clear. http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Malcolm_Nolasco/media/84408BE4-4B12-46FF-B09D-90EB0BF361D3-3593-000003042D57FE42_zpsdd8700e1.jpg.html The only thing that is clear in this is that CCP says it will credit your merc pack in full, but also says that some items can be changed. so maybe all this thread is for nothing, How many people will be upset if they give you everything but the booster? Personally it's no skin off my back one way or the other, but in the interest of being honest crediting merc packs in full does include the AUR, boosters, etc or the equivalent of those items if they're removed from market. Honesty in any transaction is expected and though I'll not lose sleep over it, fanboy defense of CCP doesn't negate the argument they should live up to what is stated in that merc pack agreement. I love CCP games, and will probably always be playing them, but in the end there is no valid argument that can excuse behavior such as not living up to an agreement with customers.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2701	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:12:00 - [63] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Stexn byd wrote: Very clear. http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Malcolm_Nolasco/media/84408BE4-4B12-46FF-B09D-90EB0BF361D3-3593-000003042D57FE42_zpsdd8700e1.jpg.html LOL. I have seen this too. Some of you are trying to draw a distinction between resets and the commercial release. However, once again for the mentally deficient, the use of "and" is not generally meant to exclude something but to include something. The commercial release is being lumped into the list as a similar item -- not as something different. Obviously, during development there will be resets and similarly upon commercial release. Only, it turns out, the new SP revamp means we don't have to be reset. So, you can still choose the reset if you wish to - and now you are crying because those of us who don't want to choose the reset will keep our SP. Blah blah blah. Cry away... my cup runneth over. You seem to be explaining the meaning of the word "and" well, then using an example that proves a failure to actually understand your explanation. Refund at every reset. AND Refund at commercial release. Reset doesn't require commercial release. Commercial release doesn't require reset. Both reset AND commercial release, regardless if it's only one happening or both, require a refund of the Merc Pack. Quite a while ago, CCP announced "no more resets", and in spite of people pressing them for confirmation that there wouldn't be a reset even though the Merc Pack promises a refund without requiring one, they kept saying "no more resets". They're STILL SAYING THAT WHILE FORCING US TO ACCEPT A RESET TO GET WHAT THEY PROMISED. How are you still not understanding this? It's not hard.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:17:00 - [64] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quite a while ago, CCP announced "no more resets", and in spite of people pressing them for confirmation that there wouldn't be a reset even though the Merc Pack promises a refund without requiring one, they kept saying "no more resets". LOL. You are reinterpreting the legalese based on a later comment. It doesn't work that way. CCP has come up with a way to OFFER us not to require a reset on commercial. Most of us are more than happy to take that OFFER. However, for those that are not they have left the option to reset and refund. Make your choice and quit crying.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2701	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:24:00 - [65] - Quote Denial Mystic wrote: Stexn byd wrote: Very clear. http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Malcolm_Nolasco/media/84408BE4-4B12-46FF-B09D-90EB0BF361D3-3593-000003042D57FE42_zpsdd8700e1.jpg.html The only thing that is clear in this is that CCP says it will credit your merc pack in full, but also says that some items can be changed. so maybe all this thread is for nothing, How many people will be upset if they give you everything but the booster? There's a prety clear difference in definition between "changed" and "removed". They CAN argue "you still have the Booster in your character's brain. if we remove it, they lose all their accumulated SP". They can argue that same point for any Booster you spent AUR on, and point out that to get that AUR refunded, you have to give back the Booster. They can even argue that the SP itself is a "similar value" to the Boosters you bought (either with the Merc Pack purchase or with Aurum). Either argument can leave them open to say "no Boosters back, no AUR spent on Boosters back" and then refund everything else without wiping us, OR give the option for a full reset to get the full refund of Booster purchases. Crash Monster wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quite a while ago, CCP announced "no more resets", and in spite of people pressing them for confirmation that there wouldn't be a reset even though the Merc Pack promises a refund without requiring one, they kept saying "no more resets". LOL. You are reinterpreting the legalese based on a later comment. It doesn't work that way. CCP has come up with a way to OFFER us not to require a reset on commercial. Most of us are more than happy to take that OFFER. However, for those that are not they have left the option to reset and refund. Make your choice and quit crying. They specifically stated "no more resets". People asked about the Merc Pack refunds, and have been constantly asking for clarification, ever since, and they offered no answers, but maintained the claim that they wouldn't reset us "barring catastrophe". This isn't a catasrophe. It's a PR screw-up. Paying customers aren't being given what we paid for unless we accept something that CCP assured us they wouldn't do. That means that they're adding an extra condition that applies specifically to Merc Pack customers in order to get something they're offering everyone else as standard. We have to give up something they agreed to in order to be allowed to keep what we worked for.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:34:00 - [66] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: They specifically stated "no more resets". People asked about the Merc Pack refunds, and have been constantly asking for clarification, ever since, and they offered no answers, but maintained the claim that they wouldn't reset us "barring catastrophe". This isn't a catasrophe. It's a PR screw-up. It doesn't matter what they "stated" later in relation to the interpretation of the Merc Pack legalese. I suspect the non-answers were something that people should have considered a little more carefully. About this time people with mommy's for lawyers chimed in stating that CCP had better refund them or go to court and so forth. Frankly, I'm just happy they found a way to not force everyone to be reset. There never was any way that people would be able to get a refund without a reset. Anyone with a brain understood that all along. I understand you think it isn't fair that you'd have to give up SP to get a refund. Too bad. It's a done deal and we are all just waiting for the tears to stop flowing.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2702	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:55:00 - [67] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: They specifically stated "no more resets". People asked about the Merc Pack refunds, and have been constantly asking for clarification, ever since, and they offered no answers, but maintained the claim that they wouldn't reset us "barring catastrophe". This isn't a catasrophe. It's a PR screw-up. It doesn't matter what they "stated" later in relation to the interpretation of the Merc Pack legalese. I suspect the non-answers were something that people should have considered a little more carefully. About this time people with mommy's for lawyers chimed in stating that CCP had better refund them or go to court and so forth. Frankly, I'm just happy they found a way to not force everyone to be reset. There never was any way that people would be able to get a refund without a reset. Anyone with a brain understood that all along. I understand you think it isn't fair that you'd have to give up SP to get a refund. Too bad. It's a done deal and we are all just waiting for the tears to stop flowing. How many times do I have to point out that this doesn't actually affect me personally before you get it? Either way, I get what I want. I'm not losing anything by CCP not refunding the items I still have anyway. I'm not crying, I'm laughing at your failure to understand the problem. Until it's actually DONE (at which point, I cancel my plans to give CCP any more money), it's not done. The Merc Pack did NOT list a reset as a compulsory requirement for the refund. If it did, there would be no argument. If it said "every character reset including commercial release", then CCP coming back and saying there are no more resets would mean exactly that. No more resets, no more Merc Pack refunds. If they'd only said "every character reset." with a full-stop there and not mentioned commercial release, then no more resets would mean no more Merc Pack refunds. There have been people arguing back and forth on all sides for this. -I want to keep my SP and get my Booster back! I want all my AUR back to spend on more Boosters like I did last time! WAH WAH ENTITLED QQ! This is, as implied by my phrasing, blatant entitled whining. -If anyone wants what CCP offered them, they should have to be reset, even though CCP assured us there would be no more resets. This is overt fanboyism, and most people in favour of this option have been the ones who think that it's only one extreme or the other and don't want the Merc Pack buyers to have an "unfair" advantage even though some people spent $20 on a Merc Pack and have ended up falling behind the ones who spent $100 on AUR for Boosters and have more free time to play. There are a few Merc Pack customers who are supporting this option because they feel like the alternative would give them an undeserved advantage over non-paying customers. -My argument, with a good number of people backing it. This is an attempt to find a middle ground where nobody - paying or not - is being shafted by CCP. Do you have a VALID argument against the solution of refunding non-Booster content and leaving the Boosters as SP? By "valid" I mean actually a relevant complaint about CCP doing it. Not "I don't get as many tears this way" and not a poorly-veiled insult to someone's intelligence instead of a rational response (which isn't the best way to support your argument, by the way). Not "I don't like it so you're a doody-head". Not "haha QQ more, scrub". Not "I don't like it". Not "I think the proposed solution is fair enough". Can you come up with a relevant negative point that would explain why my preferred solution is a bad idea? The only argument I've seen so far with even the vaguest semblance of validity was "it would be hard for CCP to implement". If that's it, I don't see any good reason not to do it. It would be hard for CCP to go from never having developed any FPS game in their company's history to producing one that's had over 2 million characters created, but look what's happened?
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1325	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:10:00 - [68] - Quote greedy scumbags. People who buy the merc pack after official release are getting only 1 set of the items containing in it. So why should we be different? And yes ive bought the merc pack in the closed beta aswell. And im not demanding a second merc pack for free cause its silly, ignorant and selfish. And to be honest i wont need it cause all the BPO's that i bought for 30 AUR a piece are now worth a fortune and i will get enough AUR tomorrow to supply myself 5 months worth off active and passive boosters. Thats more value then the mercpacks itself where worth. To be precise i get AUR worth probs over 100Gé¼+. So i made profit. So do the people who where aswell smat enough to buy all militia BPO's
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:19:00 - [69] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: How many times do I have to point out that this doesn't actually affect me personally before you get it? Either way, I get what I want. I'm not losing anything by CCP not refunding the items I still have anyway. I'm not crying, I'm laughing at your failure to understand the problem. Until it's actually DONE (at which point, I cancel my plans to give CCP any more money), it's not done. The Merc Pack did NOT list a reset as a compulsory requirement for the refund. If it did, there would be no argument. You are certainly QQing if you are going to cancel your plans to give CCP any more money as a result. There are a million of things the Merc Pack did not state... and you are interpreting that a certain way. Yours is an unlikely interpretation but you are welcome to cling to it.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2702	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:31:00 - [70] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: greedy scumbags. People who buy the merc pack after official release are getting only 1 set of the items containing in it. So why should we be different? And yes ive bought the merc pack in the closed beta aswell. And im not demanding a second merc pack for free cause its silly, ignorant and selfish. And to be honest i wont need it cause all the BPO's that i bought for 30 AUR a piece are now worth a fortune and i will get enough AUR tomorrow to supply myself 5 months worth off active and passive boosters. Thats more value then the mercpacks itself where worth. To be precise i get AUR worth probs over 100Gé¼+. So i made profit. So do the people who where aswell smat enough to buy all militia BPO's I haven't seen any of the "greedy" people showing up in this thread yet. The greedy people are the ones demanding that they get their Boosters back without losing the boosted SP with it. Yes, there are some idiots trying to demand that, and no, I don't think it would be fair to cave to them. What people are asking in the two threads currently active on the subject is perfectly reasonable. We were assured of a full credit of Merc Pack contents on commercial release, with commercial release explicitly mentioned as different from a character reset. Now we're being told that our refund is conditional to accepting a reset, which isn't what we agreed to when we bought the Merc Pack. If they were refunding us everything except Boosters, and we only had to take the reset if we want the Boosters back, then I'd understand. But for ANY of the promised reset, we have to accept a condition that wasn't part of the terms we agreed to. Asking for a deal that's closer to the one we paid for isn't "greedy". Asking for a 2-for-1 deal we didn't pay for would be, but that's not what I'm asking for, and it's not what anyone I've seen in this thread is asking for.

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:33:00 - [71] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: We were assured of a full credit of Merc Pack contents on commercial release, with commercial release explicitly mentioned as different from a character reset. Maybe you should look up the definition of explicit. Then reread the Merc Pack terms.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2702	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:44:00 - [72] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: We were assured of a full credit of Merc Pack contents on commercial release, with commercial release explicitly mentioned as different from a character reset. Maybe you should look up the definition of explicit. Then reread the Merc Pack terms. What do you think "explicit" means then? "At every character reset and commercial release" has no ambiguity in it. There's no implication that a character reset and commercial release are the same thing. It explicitly states that the two terms refer to different things. They aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is reliant on the other. I'm not sure what dictionary you're using, but maybe you need a better one? Merc Pack refunds are reliant on EITHER condition, a reset OR commercial release is sufficient to satisfy the conditions under which the Merc Pack should be refunded. They didn't have to have a commercial release every time there was a reset. We shouldn't be forced to have a reset at commercial release - particularly not an individual character reset just for the people wanting their Merc Packs refunded. They didn't, in any way, imply that commercial release is a reset, and by defining it separately within the Merc Pack terms, they implied that it's not one. That's an implication, not a direct statement. But they distinctly referred to commercial release and character reset as two different events, neither of which was bound to the other, and EITHER of which would offer - independently of the other - a refund of the Merc Pack.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:11:00 - [73] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: "At every character reset and commercial release" has no ambiguity in it. There's no implication that a character reset and commercial release are the same thing. It explicitly states that the two terms refer to different things. They aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is reliant on the other. I'm not sure what dictionary you're using, but maybe you need a better one? Look, in reading the above it is very clear (to many) that there is certainly an implication present. The two events are clearly related in some way. Garrett Blacknova wrote: Merc Pack refunds are reliant on EITHER condition, a reset OR commercial release is sufficient to satisfy the conditions under which the Merc Pack should be refunded. They didn't have to have a commercial release every time there was a reset. We shouldn't be forced to have a reset at commercial release - particularly not an individual character reset just for the people wanting their Merc Packs refunded. Yes, but again, you are assuming that a commercial release would not be expected to cause a reset. When there are resets without commercial releases it seems pretty likely that a commercial release would also require a reset. Who thought they'd get through beta and come out without some adjustment related to equalization? Garrett Blacknova wrote: They didn't, in any way, imply that commercial release is a reset, and by defining it separately within the Merc Pack terms, they implied that it's not one. That's an implication, not a direct statement. But they distinctly referred to commercial release and character reset as two different events, neither of which was bound to the other, and EITHER of which would offer - independently of the other - a refund of the Merc Pack. I am not saying a commercial release IS a reset. The daftness is strong in you. I'm saying that you can't expect a commercial release without a reset. The fact that CCP found a way to offer a bonus to beta testers later on is simply a bonus. Now, you don't have to go through a reset if you don't want to. You've been given a choice. Take it, leave it, or whine for eternity. The choice is yours.
TheReaper545 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:26:00 - [74] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Look, in reading the above it is very clear (to many) that there is certainly an implication present. The two events are clearly related in some way. Yes, but again, you are assuming that a commercial release would not be expected to cause a reset. When there are resets without commercial releases it seems pretty likely that a commercial release would also require a reset. Who thought they'd get through beta and come out without some adjustment related to equalization? I am not saying a commercial release IS a reset. The daftness is strong in you. I'm saying that you can't expect a commercial release without a reset. The fact that CCP found a way to offer a bonus to beta testers later on is simply a bonus. Now, you don't have to go through a reset if you don't want to. You've been given a choice. Take it, leave it, or whine for eternity. The choice is yours. One. The event's are clearly not related in anyway if they were related it would state in the terms of purchase agreement, and on commercial reset/release. But they never specified a reset at commercial within the contract. Two. The agreement never said that the merc pack would be optional as stated before in another thread. If it would have said "optionally" it would of went something like, You shall obtain the merc pack at each character reset/wipe during the beta and "optionally" at release. You see if they would have put optionally they would of had more room to wiggle out of this. Three. They have already confirmed no more resets and clearly they are keeping to that statement. Still doesn't void the contract they need to honor.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:37:00 - [75] - Quote TheReaper545 wrote: One. The event's are clearly not related in anyway if they were related it would state in the terms of purchase agreement, and on commercial reset/release. But they never specified a reset at commercial within the contract. Two. The agreement never said that the merc pack would be optional as stated before in another thread. If it would have said "optionally" it would of went something like, You shall obtain the merc pack at each character reset/wipe during the beta and "optionally" at release. You see if they would have put optionally they would of had more room to wiggle out of this. Three. They have already confirmed no more resets and clearly they are keeping to that statement. Still doesn't void the contract they need to honor. Heh, let's start with the third point. It's meaningless. They are not bound to a forum post stating that they don't intend to do more resets. Second, it doesn't matter if the Merc Pack stated every future option or not. Options can be provided to people so that they can either take the original offer or choose an option. There is nothing stopping any company from creating new options as they see fit. Two meaningless arguments. Your only hope is with the interpretation as per your first point. First, it is very clear that the points are related in some way. They are mentioned in the same sentence with the word AND between them. This doesn't happen without some type of relationship between the items. So, if you take away events that happened well after people purchased the Merc Pack, as they have no bearing on the terms associated with it, we are left to consider what was expected at the time it was released. At that time I doubt many people felt that you would have a commercial release without a reset. It was only after CCP suggested no more resets that people starting turning to their mommy lawyers and thinking they could put one over on CCP. The original terms of the agreement don't look as good now that time has passed and new information has come to light. You don't have to like it.
TheReaper545 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:55:00 - [76] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Heh, let's start with the third point. It's meaningless. They are not bound to a forum post stating that they don't intend to do more resets. Second, it doesn't matter if the Merc Pack stated every future option or not. Options can be provided to people so that they can either take the original offer or choose an option. There is nothing stopping any company from creating new options as they see fit. Two meaningless arguments. Your only hope is with the interpretation as per your first point. First, it is very clear that the points are related in some way. They are mentioned in the same sentence with the word AND between them. This doesn't happen without some type of relationship between the items. So, if you take away events that happened well after people purchased the Merc Pack, as they have no bearing on the terms associated with it, we are left to consider what was expected at the time it was released. At that time I doubt many people felt that you would have a commercial release without a reset. It was only after CCP suggested no more resets that people starting turning to their mommy lawyers and thinking they could put one over on CCP. The original terms of the agreement don't look as good now that time has passed and new information has come to light. You don't have to like it. First just because the word AND is in a sentence has no proof of correlation. Saying AND brings them closer into a relationship is absurd. That's like saying "The house is green and the flower is purple" has some form of correlation. Two. CCP assumed they would be doing the reset as well not my problem or anyone's problem for the matter of fact that they chose not to. If they were going to do it we wouldn't be doing a sp respec, Also I highly doubt they would reset after commercial release not a single successful company resets after commercial release it would always be before. If they did do the reset after commercial release then it was never meant to leave beta as the game is still flawed and is a huge failure on their part. And even if they assumed they would be doing a reset before commercial release before they stated no more resets, "Unless something major happens", The contract is still good and the refund on commercial release is good. Third. It does matter if they state optionally you can not say and commercial release then slap someone with a optionally at full release that is called false advertising a product.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2702	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:03:00 - [77] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Look, in reading the above it is very clear (to many) that there is certainly an implication present. The two events are clearly related in some way. They are related, in the sense that both involve a refund of the Merc Pack. Quote: Yes, but again, you are assuming that a commercial release would not be expected to cause a reset. When there are resets without commercial releases it seems pretty likely that a commercial release would also require a reset. Who thought they'd get through beta and come out without some adjustment related to equalization? If they never thought of the possibility of commercial release coming without a reset, why would it have been specified alongside resets, making it a requirement for it to include a Merc Pack refund even if there isn't a reset at that time? They would have just said "at every character reset" if that was all they intended, and wouldn't have brought up commercial release at all. Quote: I am not saying a commercial release IS a reset. The daftness is strong in you. I'm saying that you can't expect a commercial release without a reset. The fact that CCP found a way to offer a bonus to beta testers later on is simply a bonus. The wording of the Merc Pack terms is clear, defining a reset (whether commercial release or not) as one possible reason for a refund, AND commercial release (whether a reset or not) as another, and clearly stating that those are the only options. They also explain the reasons why a reset may be needed during beta, and none of those reasons are "to be 'fair' on other customers who didn't take us up on the awesome deal we offered you, so now we have to add conditions that weren't part of the original deal". Quote: Now, you don't have to go through a reset if you don't want to. You've been given a choice. Take it, leave it, or whine for eternity. The choice is yours. I'm going to keep this up until CCP take me seriously, or until I get bored of people like you spending more time on personal attacks than trying to formulate valid arguments against me. If you actually bothered to think about the topic instead of the best way to call me "stupid", you'd probably have a better chance at providing something resembling a competent argument. So far, you're not making yourself look significantly more intelligent than you're accusing me of being. CCP included an explanation that character resets may be required as part of the beta. A conditional reset in exchange for an already-promised refund is obviously NOT a standard part of the beta process, so it's not covered as a valid reason as given in the Merc Pack terms, which means it shouldn't be applied to only Merc Pack customers. This is a misuse of the ability to reset characters as a way to discourage players from taking the deal we were offered. I might get what I want, I might not. I might keep spending money on DUST, I might not. I might buy something straight away when we go into release, I might not. Regardless of what happens, this is fun. Feel free to keep insulting me, and feel free to get back on topic any time.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:05:00 - [78] - Quote TheReaper545 wrote: First just because the word AND is in a sentence has no proof of correlation. Saying AND brings them closer into a relationship is absurd. That's like saying "The house is green and the flower is purple" has some form of correlation. How about looking at the sentence in question... instead of this made up malarky? TheReaper545 wrote: Two. CCP assumed they would be doing the reset as well not my problem or anyone's problem for the matter of fact that they chose not to. If they were going to do it we wouldn't be doing a sp respec, Also I highly doubt they would reset after commercial release not a single successful company resets after commercial release it would always be before. If they did do the reset after commercial release then it was never meant to leave beta as the game is still flawed and is a huge failure on their part. And even if they assumed they would be doing a reset before commercial release before they stated no more resets, "Unless something major happens", The contract is still good and the refund on commercial release is good. Nonsense. Are you playing the "after" and "before" (oh, look, after and before are related) game instead of "at the same time" which is more likely. You are the one playing word games here. CCP stating that they don't intend a reset, in the forum, is not part of this issue. It doesn't disassociate refund/reset it just signals that have something else in mind. TheReaper545 wrote: Third. It does matter if they state optionally you can not say and commercial release then slap someone with a optionally at full release that is called false advertising a product. Nonsense. You are missing the point. If you buy something from me and I offer X later I can make a different offer later, say Y, and you can choose between X and Y. That's always allowed. The only thing you can argue is whether or not it is reasonable to assume that commercial release would involve a reset at the time the offer was made. Nothing else has any bearing on the issue of honoring the terms offered. No statements about not intending a general reset in the forum will adjust the original expectations when the terms were issued.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2702	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:18:00 - [79] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Nonsense. You are missing the point. If you buy something from me and I offer X later I can make a different offer later, say Y, and you can choose between X and Y. That's always allowed. This is a great "generic" example. Lets make it relevant. X is a new experimental product used to farm A, and people who farm A also usually farm B as well. Because it's still an experimental product, the company selling X offer a deal to people helping them test the product. They promise to replace your X any time it breaks over the next year, and also to replace your trial version - whether it's broken or not - with a brand new X when the one year trial is over. You get a couple of replacement Xes over the course of the year, then you go back when the final version is ready, and ask for your new X. Instead of giving it to you as agreed, the company says, "we've changed our minds. We want all your A and B. You don't have to give it to us, but it's the only way to get the X we promised. You'll have to do with your well-used X that we've already given you if you're not willing to give up 3 months' worth of work."
GOTDUST Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:24:00 - [80] - Quote I have a photo copy of the original merc pack terms if anyone needs it. Also u can file a charge back for 6 months prior. CCP indeed violated the agreement! The fact that some of these guys will have millions of aur for the 50aur bpo's they bought is BS! Yet they want to screw over everyone else. I like so many others went through aur items like water because we were suppose to get it all back. What a bunch of dirty little B"s. I wont put another $ in this BS. Those that don't know, ccp ONLY created dust to get more players in eve. They were bragging how many guys left dust and joined eve. Fk em.

TheReaper545 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:27:00 - [81] - Quote One. I wasn't the one saying AND make's it correlate two things in a sentence. Two. As stated in my last sentence it doesn't matter what they do the terms of purchase agreement contract is still good making the refund on commercial release good. Three. It is falsely advertising the product we were guaranteed a refund of the merc pack on full release. IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted. <--- Here's a loophole they can't make it optional since its a different form of refund than is stated in the contract also since they are making it optional it not only breaches the contract but the falsely advertised the product. Purchase or use of this item is subject to the PlayStation-«Network Terms of Service and User Agreement and this item's use restrictions. This item has been sublicensed to you by Sony Computer Entertainment America. One-time license fee for downloads to up to 2 console systems that are associated with the purchasing account. Please refer to the DUST 514-« EULA for full terms and conditions on deletion of characters and in-game items upon completion of the beta phase. -¬2012 CCP hf. All rights reserved. 'CCP', 'DUST 514' and 'EVE Online' are trademarks or registered trademarks of CCP hf in the United States and other jurisdictions. The ESRB ratings icon is a registered trademark of the Entertainment Software Association. All other trademarks and trade names are the properties of their respective owners. PlayStation-«Move features require PlayStation-«Move motion controller and PlayStation-«Eye (sold separately). Source: http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107
GOTDUST Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:37:00 - [82] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: greedy scumbags. People who buy the merc pack after official release are getting only 1 set of the items containing in it. So why should we be different? And yes ive bought the merc pack in the closed beta aswell. And im not demanding a second merc pack for free cause its silly, ignorant and selfish. And to be honest i wont need it cause all the BPO's that i bought for 30 AUR a piece are now worth a fortune and i will get enough AUR tomorrow to supply myself 5 months worth off active and passive boosters. Thats more value then the mercpacks itself where worth. To be precise i get AUR worth probs over 100Gé¼+. So i made profit. So do the people who where aswell smat enough to buy all militia BPO's I guess u missed the memo! All prices may go up or down! Ur bpo's may be worth 2 aur tomorrow. I may die laughing if that happens.
Nazz'Dragg FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 9	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:11:00 - [83] - Quote will Aurum packs bought after Jan 22nd be reset with those bought before? Also will special items be reset such as quafe suit? If the answer is yes to both questions. Then I'll certainly take up the option for a full reset.

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 437	Posted - 2013.05.05 20:00:00 - [84] - Quote Locked as trolling and ranting is not allowed in the forum. Thanks.



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