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TheReaper545
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 14:26:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:
Look, in reading the above it is very clear (to many) that there is certainly an implication present. The two events are clearly related in some way.
Yes, but again, you are assuming that a commercial release would not be expected to cause a reset. When there are resets without commercial releases it seems pretty likely that a commercial release would also require a reset. Who thought they'd get through beta and come out without some adjustment related to equalization?
I am not saying a commercial release IS a reset. The daftness is strong in you. I'm saying that you can't expect a commercial release without a reset. The fact that CCP found a way to offer a bonus to beta testers later on is simply a bonus.
Now, you don't have to go through a reset if you don't want to. You've been given a choice. Take it, leave it, or whine for eternity. The choice is yours.
One. The event's are clearly not related in anyway if they were related it would state in the terms of purchase agreement, and on commercial reset/release. But they never specified a reset at commercial within the contract.
Two. The agreement never said that the merc pack would be optional as stated before in another thread. If it would have said "optionally" it would of went something like, You shall obtain the merc pack at each character reset/wipe during the beta and
"optionally" at release. You see if they would have put optionally they would of had more room to wiggle out of this.
Three. They have already confirmed no more resets and clearly they are keeping to that statement. Still doesn't void the contract they need to honor. |
TheReaper545
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 14:55:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:
Heh, let's start with the third point. It's meaningless. They are not bound to a forum post stating that they don't intend to do more resets.
Second, it doesn't matter if the Merc Pack stated every future option or not. Options can be provided to people so that they can either take the original offer or choose an option. There is nothing stopping any company from creating new options as they see fit.
Two meaningless arguments.
Your only hope is with the interpretation as per your first point. First, it is very clear that the points are related in some way. They are mentioned in the same sentence with the word AND between them. This doesn't happen without some type of relationship between the items.
So, if you take away events that happened well after people purchased the Merc Pack, as they have no bearing on the terms associated with it, we are left to consider what was expected at the time it was released. At that time I doubt many people felt that you would have a commercial release without a reset.
It was only after CCP suggested no more resets that people starting turning to their mommy lawyers and thinking they could put one over on CCP. The original terms of the agreement don't look as good now that time has passed and new information has come to light. You don't have to like it.
First just because the word AND is in a sentence has no proof of correlation. Saying AND brings them closer into a relationship is absurd. That's like saying "The house is green and the flower is purple" has some form of correlation.
Two. CCP assumed they would be doing the reset as well not my problem or anyone's problem for the matter of fact that they chose not to. If they were going to do it we wouldn't be doing a sp respec, Also I highly doubt they would reset after commercial release not a single successful company resets after commercial release it would always be before. If they did do the reset after commercial release then it was never meant to leave beta as the game is still flawed and is a huge failure on their part. And even if they assumed they would be doing a reset before commercial release before they stated no more resets, "Unless something major happens", The contract is still good and the refund on commercial release is good.
Third. It does matter if they state optionally you can not say and commercial release then slap someone with a optionally at full release that is called false advertising a product.
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TheReaper545
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:27:00 -
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One. I wasn't the one saying AND make's it correlate two things in a sentence.
Two. As stated in my last sentence it doesn't matter what they do the terms of purchase agreement contract is still good making the refund on commercial release good.
Three. It is falsely advertising the product we were guaranteed a refund of the merc pack on full release.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted. <--- Here's a loophole they can't make it optional since its a different form of refund than is stated in the contract also since they are making it optional it not only breaches the contract but the falsely advertised the product.
Purchase or use of this item is subject to the PlayStation-«Network Terms of Service and User Agreement and this item's use restrictions. This item has been sublicensed to you by Sony Computer Entertainment America. One-time license fee for downloads to up to 2 console systems that are associated with the purchasing account. Please refer to the DUST 514-« EULA for full terms and conditions on deletion of characters and in-game items upon completion of the beta phase.
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