Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

Because CCP isn't.

You just don't want a full reset.

This thread has nothing to do with CCP bullying it's consumers. This is about the CPM not stepping in and calming down the masses, I haven't seen a 3 day shitstorm like this in a while.

Because unlike me that am replying to this, they have better things to do rather than give attention to hysterical self entitled little whinners.

I-¦m loving the tears.

I see no distress.

Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt.

jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either

Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.

IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.

Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same

Have not heard from nova or hans yet

You're in luck! I heard COD spirits or some **** was coming out.

later dude! have fun!

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

This thread has nothing to do with CCP bullying it's consumers. This is about the CPM not stepping in and calming down the masses, I haven't seen a 3 day shitstorm like this in a while.

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

So when everything gets nerfed to ****, we all have to "adapt", as in, deal with everything sucking

Yes I'm sure they're very busy AFK farming and such, but considering their job is to reverberate what the community thinks/wants, they're not doing their job. A large portion of the playerbase is unstable and unhappy, and it should fall on their shoulders to quell the fire and get answers from the developers.

I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff.

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM.

1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems.

2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access.

3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns.

4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish.

5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff.

Stopped reading after this...

The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have.

Stopped reading after this...

The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have.

2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?

so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP?

why do they exist again?

1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP?

2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?

3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands.

4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes?

No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit.

That's not a sink, that's just common sense.

Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink.

Same suit? does the first tier proto assault have 545 shields and 2 equipment slots? Does the tech 2 protosuit have better stats than what we have now? pretty sure it doesn't based on what i've read. we're spending more SP for inferior equipment, these are the first signs of casualizing a game.

2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class)

casualizing a game.

2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead and maxing out support/turret skills instead of going up the path of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class)

i'll give you end game content. but what about the x5 for core skills? meaning cpu and pg that's 3mil sp same it would take you to get into a end game drop suit for 5% to cpu and 5% pg is that also fair?

I see no distress.

Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth buddy, cool your panties, I'm trying to get a grasp on what you're saying. Hasn't all the info on the new suits been released via video recordings? Are you telling me there's protosuits better than what we have now, because I didn't see that at all.

100% of assaults and medium frames have 1 equipment slot, this was done intentionally to help legitimize the existence of the logi-line up.

i'll give you end game content. but what about the x5 for core skills? meaning cpu and pg that's 3mil sp same it would take you to get into a end game drop suit for 5% to cpu and 5% pg is that also fair?

3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands.

This doesn't make logis more viable, it just makes it more annoying to play an assault. This can be avoided by switching suits at a supply depot and is very lazy balancing on CCP's part, just removes assault variety. Paying more SP for suits that can't do as much, boy do i love this game

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

I see no distress.

Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt.

Unfortunately no, the new blog here http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ has the data dump which unfortunately doesn't have the slot layouts. The recordings by choice skipped the base suits If you read my link again I listed all the new proto base suits from the data dump I pulled out of it and the aside from missing slot layouts they're comparable to the other proto-suits. The only thing that truely gives the advanced suits thier bonuses if only the suit in question takes advantage of it. Its entirely possible to ignore the bonsues on the protosuits such as not having side arms when the suit has a side arm bonus. Or not using the laser rifles on amarrian suits which have bonuses for it.

so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP?

why do they exist again?

jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either

Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.

IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.

Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same

Have not heard from nova or hans yet

CPM is not your mom or your boyfriend
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Reading Comprehension Skill = 0

I just told you... PR/advisory. It allows CCP to pat themselves in the back whenever their "Player Councils" do something for the community.

Well maybe my suggestion of removing equipment slots on assaults would go though then :(

typical entitled no-name imperfect coming to give his meaningless opinion..glad you're suggesting the CPM has no responsibility to the community, making their existence pointless.

jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either

Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.

IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.

Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same

Have not heard from nova or hans yet

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?

Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights?
Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising?
Where is the CPM's backbone?
Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it?
Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?

I actually agree with Jenza's point of view in this.

Llan Heindell.

The CPM members apparently have a life, unlike the Merc Pack QQers.

Nobody CARES that you want to reuse boosters while keeping the SP. It's cheating and we don't like it anymore than we like AFK Farming.

Seriously. Take the reset and STFU or don't take it and STFU.

This isn't a kittenstorm, it's a QQstorm and we're filling our rain barrels with the tears of those who love exploits.

Stopped reading after this...

The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have.

jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either

Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.

IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.

Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same

Have not heard from nova or hans yet