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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:27:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:King Kobrah wrote: 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit. That's not a sink, that's just common sense. Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink. Same suit? does the first tier proto assault have 545 shields and 2 equipment slots? Does the tech 2 protosuit have better stats than what we have now? pretty sure it doesn't based on what i've read. we're spending more SP for inferior equipment, these are the first signs of casualizing a game. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3842
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:29:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:King Kobrah wrote: 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit. That's not a sink, that's just common sense. Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink. Same suit? does the first tier proto assault have 545 shields and 2 equipment slots? Does the tech 2 protosuit have better stats than what we have now? pretty sure it doesn't based on what i've read. we're spending more SP for inferior equipment, these are the first signs of casualizing a game.
100% of assaults and medium frames have 1 equipment slot, this was done intentionally to help legitimize the existence of the logi-line up. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM. 1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems. 2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access. 3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns. 4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish. 5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. 1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP? 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay? 3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands. 4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes? 2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class) I'm not putting any words in your mouth buddy, cool your panties, I'm trying to get a grasp on what you're saying. Hasn't all the info on the new suits been released via video recordings? Are you telling me there's protosuits better than what we have now, because I didn't see that at all. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
825
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:30:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:casualizing a game.
Intended from DAY ONE.
If you want to whine about CCP's Merc Pack terms, perhaps it would do to explore the fundamental game design principals upon which the developer created the game.
Can I have your stuff now? |
NIIKIA
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM. 1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems. 2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access. 3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns. 4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish. 5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. 1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP? 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay? 3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands. 4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes? 2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead and maxing out support/turret skills instead of going up the path of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class) i'll give you end game content. but what about the x5 for core skills? meaning cpu and pg that's 3mil sp same it would take you to get into a end game drop suit for 5% to cpu and 5% pg is that also fair?
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
825
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:32:00 -
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NIIKIA wrote:i'll give you end game content. but what about the x5 for core skills? meaning cpu and pg that's 3mil sp same it would take you to get into a end game drop suit for 5% to cpu and 5% pg is that also fair?
This is a far more legitimate issue than Merc Packs and Tech II SP.
I believe there are threads specific to it and it would be nice to see the CPM weigh in.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
177
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:33:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I see no distress.
Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt.
Winner! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3842
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:34:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM. 1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems. 2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access. 3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns. 4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish. 5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. 1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP? 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay? 3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands. 4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes? 2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class) I'm not putting any words in your mouth buddy, cool your panties, I'm trying to get a grasp on what you're saying. Hasn't all the info on the new suits been released via video recordings? Are you telling me there's protosuits better than what we have now, because I didn't see that at all.
Unfortunately no, the new blog here http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ has the data dump which unfortunately doesn't have the slot layouts. The recordings by choice skipped the base suits If you read my link again I listed all the new proto base suits from the data dump I pulled out of it and the aside from missing slot layouts they're comparable to the other proto-suits. The only thing that truely gives the advanced suits thier bonuses if only the suit in question takes advantage of it. Its entirely possible to ignore the bonsues on the protosuits such as not having side arms when the suit has a side arm bonus. Or not using the laser rifles on amarrian suits which have bonuses for it. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:King Kobrah wrote: 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit. That's not a sink, that's just common sense. Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink. Same suit? does the first tier proto assault have 545 shields and 2 equipment slots? Does the tech 2 protosuit have better stats than what we have now? pretty sure it doesn't based on what i've read. we're spending more SP for inferior equipment, these are the first signs of casualizing a game. 100% of assaults and medium frames have 1 equipment slot, this was done intentionally to help legitimize the existence of the logi-line up. This doesn't make logis more viable, it just makes it more annoying to play an assault. This can be avoided by switching suits at a supply depot and is very lazy balancing on CCP's part, just removes assault variety. Paying more SP for suits that can't do as much, boy do i love this game |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3842
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:34:00 -
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NIIKIA wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead and maxing out support/turret skills instead of going up the path of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class)
i'll give you end game content. but what about the x5 for core skills? meaning cpu and pg that's 3mil sp same it would take you to get into a end game drop suit for 5% to cpu and 5% pg is that also fair?
Working on it right now give me a moment and Ill post my educated opinion on it. |
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:35:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote: 3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands.
I-¦m the community and don-¦t want your whinning. Nor do i agree with your perspective. The answer from CCP already came in a DEV Blog.
Let them work with the stuff they-¦re supposed to work with.
Sheesh. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3842
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:35:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:King Kobrah wrote: 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit. That's not a sink, that's just common sense. Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink. Same suit? does the first tier proto assault have 545 shields and 2 equipment slots? Does the tech 2 protosuit have better stats than what we have now? pretty sure it doesn't based on what i've read. we're spending more SP for inferior equipment, these are the first signs of casualizing a game. 100% of assaults and medium frames have 1 equipment slot, this was done intentionally to help legitimize the existence of the logi-line up. This doesn't make logis more viable, it just makes it more annoying to play an assault. This can be avoided by switching suits at a supply depot and is very lazy balancing on CCP's part, just removes assault variety. Paying more SP for suits that can't do as much, boy do i love this game
Well maybe my suggestion of removing equipment slots on assaults would go though then :( |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:36:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? CPM is not your mom or your boyfriend /end |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
355
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:36:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I see no distress.
Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt. Pretty much. 5 whiners making whole forums look horrible :D |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Unfortunately no, the new blog here http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ has the data dump which unfortunately doesn't have the slot layouts. The recordings by choice skipped the base suits If you read my link again I listed all the new proto base suits from the data dump I pulled out of it and the aside from missing slot layouts they're comparable to the other proto-suits. The only thing that truely gives the advanced suits thier bonuses if only the suit in question takes advantage of it. Its entirely possible to ignore the bonsues on the protosuits such as not having side arms when the suit has a side arm bonus. Or not using the laser rifles on amarrian suits which have bonuses for it. Okay, so we're spending 3 million additional SP just to be comparable to what we're in now? Just doesn't seem right to take what we're in now, dumb it down, and double-triple the SP cost........ |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
71
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:40:00 -
[46] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase? Stopped reading after this... The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have. so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP? why do they exist again? Reading Comprehension Skill = 0
I just told you... PR/advisory. It allows CCP to pat themselves in the back whenever their "Player Councils" do something for the community. |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
39
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
Free Beers wrote:jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either
Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.
IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.
Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same
Have not heard from nova or hans yet
I actually agree with Jenza's point of view in this.
Llan Heindell. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ima Leet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? CPM is not your mom or your boyfriend /end typical entitled no-name imperfect coming to give his meaningless opinion..glad you're suggesting the CPM has no responsibility to the community, making their existence pointless. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:44:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase? Stopped reading after this... The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have. so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP? why do they exist again? Reading Comprehension Skill = 0 I just told you... PR/advisory. It allows CCP to pat themselves in the back whenever their "Player Councils" do something for the community. You just reiterated what I said you goddamn semen silo. they have no power, ccp doesn't care what the say..basically a PR pawn. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well maybe my suggestion of removing equipment slots on assaults would go though then :(
you best be trollin boy |
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Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:51:00 -
[51] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:Ima Leet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? CPM is not your mom or your boyfriend /end typical entitled no-name imperfect coming to give his meaningless opinion..glad you're suggesting the CPM has no responsibility to the community, making their existence pointless. lol and who are you? thats what i thought.
i'm speaking to you personally, you can't cry for your mom or boyfriend. they are not yours. they are here for the community and you are not the majority
now please STFU and HTFU |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:52:00 -
[52] - Quote
Free Beers wrote:jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either
Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.
IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.
Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same
Have not heard from nova or hans yet
That makes no sense at all. THe same vets in protos will still be in protos come Uprising, while for everyone else it will be extremely difficult to get to that point. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3844
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:56:00 -
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Like I said I am working right now here's the new multipliers in a nut shell on suits alone
Dropsuit command was unchanged.
Chomosome
Total number of protolevel 4 Total number of multiplier 32 Average multiplier per proto 8
Uprising
Total number of protolevels 18 Total number of multiplier 152 Average multiplier per proto 8.444
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steadyhand amarr
The Red Apple
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:59:00 -
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there is no distress its same trouble makers that throw a **** fit every time they dont get their own way ooorrr there favourt fitting get balanced.
look at this why from what i can tell Ragnum loved the new people and he not complaining or even trolling for that matter... wait did he get banned again ^^ |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:53:00 -
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Booo down with CPM! Give the users a chance to vote on who we want in! |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:55:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?
Vote for Himiko in '14 |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:39:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?
Because it was CPM's idea. Before the CPM we were told (via petition) it refunds without resets were in the works. After, well you see what we have now. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:46:00 -
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How do you know so much about what the CPM is doing? Are you somehow spying on their every action and word?
Just because you can't see what they're doing, doesn't mean they're not doing anything. They might even be doing exactly what you want. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:03:00 -
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Llan Heindell wrote:Free Beers wrote:jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either
Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.
IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.
Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same
Have not heard from nova or hans yet I actually agree with Jenza's point of view in this. Llan Heindell. terrorist!! get him, for MERICA USA, USA, USA. Llan heidell sides and backs the terrorist with ISK and AUR. no more terrorist for CPM, only good honest MERICAN trolls for the win. |
0 Try Harder
Faabulous
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Posted - 2013.05.04 23:20:00 -
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I would prefer it if they stuck to things other than game mechanics. I care most about those, and at the corp battle level.
IWS: I thought about your railgun experience now vs. uprising, and I'd bet it's the increase in projectile speed. If you want to make railguns harder without "nerfing" them, you could make railgun projectile travel speed closer to what it was. Changing zoom, damage, and other things is a nerf, would not be appreciated, and would not change how hard it is to shoot a railgun by much.
Also, railgun damage is about equal to a forge gun's. You discussed removing the skills which increase turret damage, and this is the only thing that makes railguns do more damage than a forge.
80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon (Proto): 1798.7 HP DCMA-5 Breach Forge Gun: 2310.0 HP
80GJ Regulated Particle Cannon (Proto): 1438.9 HP Ishukone Assault Forge Gun: 1512.0 HP
I paired them up like that because the compressed rail gets fewer shots than the regulated before it overheats. The rails do have a slight advantage in the number of shots before a reload, but the officer forge is the same as the Ishukone, except it gets six shots instead of four. Infantry have skills and damage mods which can be used to make the forge guns a deadly weapon. Again, the only way the railgun on vehicles does more damage is by increasing the skill points.
If you would like to replace some of the skills which increase damage instead of other stats, you would need to make the railgun do more damage. It is kind of ridiculous that a hand-held forge can do more damage than a huge railgun mounted on a HAV. Killing railgun damage kills the railgun itself.
The blaster is the same thing, especially on the armor HAVs. To be effective, a Sagaris needs to fit a damage mod if it is using the 80GJ Scattered Ion Cannon. The armor HAVs benefit even more because they have the Marauder skill, a 12x skill, which increases the damage by 20%. This is more than what the new skills do, so it's nerfed already. There is no need to nerf HAVs even more.
A suggestion about the heat build up or available pool was made at some point, I believe you said by Jenza, but I am completely against that. The compressed railgun has few shots but lots of damage. Increasing the number of shots it can make while reducing the amount of damage it can deal seems counter to what its intended purpose. It is supposed to be a slow rail with few shots and lots of damage.
I'd also like to that Caz for coming in and chatting about a couple of things, specifically the current dropsuits and the new ones. He was able to point out specific differences between the current dropsuits, and apply that information to the new ones. He was right, but it was still nice to have a member of the CPM communicating with the community before making suggestions. I do not like the CPM just making suggestions and decisions about game mechanics without even communicating, listening, or asking the community. |
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