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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:51:00 -
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Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
820
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:52:00 -
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Because CCP isn't.
You just don't want a full reset. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:53:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?
because only an idiot would support your little "i'm going to post a thousand threads and QQ in every one of them" mission.
please quit dust. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
140
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:54:00 -
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LOL. Because CPP did no such thing.
They realized that by doing "SP sinks" as folks call them (those who should go look at EVE) that they can do the commercial release without a reset. This lets us keep our SP.
CCP is offering us the ability to keep our SP and not take a refund/reset.
I'd advise going for it... but you certainly don't have to.
Frankly, my tear collection cup is running over. Grow a pair and make your choice. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
246
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:54:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Because CCP isn't.
You just don't want a full reset. This thread has nothing to do with CCP bullying it's consumers. This is about the CPM not stepping in and calming down the masses, I haven't seen a 3 day shitstorm like this in a while. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:56:00 -
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Because unlike me that am replying to this, they have better things to do rather than give attention to hysterical self entitled little whinners.
I-Śm loving the tears. |
NIIKIA
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:57:00 -
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they won't all they do is delay things |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:58:00 -
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I see no distress.
Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:59:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Because CCP isn't.
You just don't want a full reset. This thread has nothing to do with CCP bullying it's consumers. This is about the CPM not stepping in and calming down the masses, I haven't seen a 3 day shitstorm like this in a while.
Not sure why they'd even want to. Been seeing almost all of them getting bashed into orbit. I'm sure its been increasingly difficult to deal with the community, and manage their expectations. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:00:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Because unlike me that am replying to this, they have better things to do rather than give attention to hysterical self entitled little whinners.
I-Śm loving the tears. Yes I'm sure they're very busy AFK farming and such, but considering their job is to reverberate what the community thinks/wants, they're not doing their job. A large portion of the playerbase is unstable and unhappy, and it should fall on their shoulders to quell the fire and get answers from the developers. |
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Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1420
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:01:00 -
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jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either
Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.
IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.
Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same
Have not heard from nova or hans yet |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
255
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:03:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I see no distress.
Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt. So when everything gets nerfed to ****, we all have to "adapt", as in, deal with everything sucking |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:03:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:jenza just told me in irc chat that she doesn't want everyone running around in proto suits. So I may be going out on a limb here but I think she supports higher sp sinks. Also if you dont agree with her she doesn't feel the need to actually talk to you either
Caz in irc a few days back said it looks like just an sp sink to him in regards to proto suits just being that same yet paying 3.4 mill sp for just bonuses. He wants more time to look thru everything and will get back to us.
IWS tired to argue that its techically tech 2 suits so they are new content. Also he said we asked for role and racial bonuses so he implied is our fault for the addition sp sink.
Kain is trying to get real suit stats and sp stats to compare before he is willing to call it an unneeded sp sink. though I dont think he was happy with the shear amount of sp now required or how ccp gave the preception that sp for skills would be about the same
Have not heard from nova or hans yet So the majority of the CPM supports huge SP sinks and doesn't care to do anything about it
wonderful
this kind of **** does not fly in a first person shooter, especially a AAA one (LOL) |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
174
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:06:00 -
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You're in luck! I heard COD spirits or some **** was coming out.
later dude! have fun! |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:06:00 -
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LOL - this isnt even close to ME3 ending - shitstorm??? overreact much.
This forum is dead and this little storm in a teacup hasnt upped the trafic that much.
I really wish they (CPM guys) would put out a proper post on where these skill trees unlock and what weapon requirements (meta level as well as CPU/PG) are so many people can find out what they really need to spend.
I have no interest in Lv5 everything - just what I need to get to a decent level with comparable weapons and modules to what I had. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2141
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:06:00 -
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mollerz wrote:You're in luck! I heard COD spirits or some **** was coming out.
later dude! have fun! That's not luck - that's a new skin on an old game. GTFO |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3833
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:07:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins?
Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM.
1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems.
2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access.
3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns.
4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish.
5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
824
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:10:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Because CCP isn't.
You just don't want a full reset. This thread has nothing to do with CCP bullying it's consumers. This is about the CPM not stepping in and calming down the masses, I haven't seen a 3 day shitstorm like this in a while.
The CPM members apparently have a life, unlike the Merc Pack QQers.
Nobody CARES that you want to reuse boosters while keeping the SP. It's cheating and we don't like it anymore than we like AFK Farming.
Seriously. Take the reset and STFU or don't take it and STFU.
This isn't a kittenstorm, it's a QQstorm and we're filling our rain barrels with the tears of those who love exploits. |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
578
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:11:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? 1. Because they aren't.
2. Because DUST is a long-haul game. Anyone who didn't expect large SP sinks is a moron.
3. This question is pointless and needlessly aggressive. Get over yourself.
4. We don't know if there's major issues with it. Granted, my hopes are not high for HMG, and tanks are going to have a hard time until their adv. vehicles are added back in, but other than that we don't know jack.
5. This statement is just a random insult and has nothing constructive to add to the discussion. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:11:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I see no distress.
Just a handful of very vocal angry people that refuse to adapt. So when everything gets nerfed to ****, we all have to "adapt", as in, deal with everything sucking
If everything sucks, isn't that balanced? Isn't that what everyone wants? |
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Snaps Tremor
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
145
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:11:00 -
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If Dust 514 is a little too intense for you, you may find that the popular first-person shooter franchises Battlefield and Call of Duty are better suited to your needs.
Also, an electric comfort blanket, and some cupcakes.
Best Wishes, Snaps |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:13:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Because unlike me that am replying to this, they have better things to do rather than give attention to hysterical self entitled little whinners.
I-Śm loving the tears. Yes I'm sure they're very busy AFK farming and such, but considering their job is to reverberate what the community thinks/wants, they're not doing their job. A large portion of the playerbase is unstable and unhappy, and it should fall on their shoulders to quell the fire and get answers from the developers.
you do not represent this community. you represent a little girl with a skinned knee who didn't read the agreement concerning what would happen after you got that skinned knee... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2805
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff.
I can only imagine, keep up the good work CPM, no pressure :p |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
71
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:15:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Stopped reading after this...
The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:20:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM. 1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems. 2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access. 3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns. 4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish. 5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. 1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP?
2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands.
4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3839
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:21:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase? Stopped reading after this... The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have.
Correct, the only power I have is raising concerns and making CCP listen and give live feedback as we banter an issue back and forth as to why things need to get done a certain way.
Take a look at the most recent blog about delaying planetary conquest, CPM truely felt it would not only screw you guys over trying to rush skill points on day one and misspending points so you can go 'oh hey on the map nows' vs 'oh shoot i am so totally screwed and have to re-grind my skills because I specced into something that isn't awesome/me." CCP took it into consideration, asked questions why, explored if it was even physically possible without such a massive cost in time or money and after all was said and done where able to do it.
While the CPM would have loved to have gotten the weapons moved to the 6th as well it simply wasn't possible for various reasons I cannot disclose. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:24:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase? Stopped reading after this... The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have. so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP?
why do they exist again? |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
824
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:25:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote: 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay?
No, you can get the SAME protosuit for less SP. You only have to pay more SP if you want to get the Tech 2 protosuit.
That's not a sink, that's just common sense.
Is there a SP sink in a few core skills? Yes. Those should be looked at and hopefully adjusted, but otherwise- not a SP sink. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:26:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase? Stopped reading after this... The CPM, much like the CSM, have little to no power over CCP in most decision-making. Going by this flawed premise alone, I'd have to assume that all of your points are moot, because anything that you might have said would require for a PR/advisory group of people to actually have power that they don't legally have. so the CPM has little to no power and nothing they say will ever hold any weight with CCP? why do they exist again?
They're a group of people selected to represent the community. Not a group of people selected to govern a company. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3839
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:27:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Seriously, where are all the "great and powerful" CPM members standing up for the playerbase?
Why isn't the CPM lashing out at CCP for violating consumer rights? Why isn't the CPM lasting out at CCP for massive SP sinks in uprising? Where is the CPM's backbone? Why is the CPM sitting on it's hands, waiting for the new build to come out, when they already know there's major issues with it? Why didn't we get to appoint our own CPM, and instead are handed a group of socially awkward, spinless shut-ins? Fine then as the designated forum warrior of the CPM. 1 CPM believes in fair trade, you still have or get the option to rehave those items without screwing everyone else over. Regardless of what happened you still have one golden box per purchase, Not magically having infinum number for the price of one as the terms only dictate you have one at any given time regardless of what happens. The terms does not allow for 2 for the price of 1. In order to get a new one all the old items have to be removed first before being re-issued. if you still feel that you have been undervalued you can easily take the issue to CCP and maybe they will explain everything for you. After all its a messaging error and you know how messages get lagged and delayed, hell GameSpot is still selling under the old terms and refuses to update it seems. 2. We're still analyzing the blog, we feel the suit progression is a bit broken but we're still discussing on how its all going to fall into place vs the old system as per other thread I started https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238&find=unread you get your first proto suit 600k points far earlier than current. As for the rest of the tree i just pulled all of chomosome's skills into a sheet and doing some 'comparisons.' However form the looks of it, after the initial hurdle of the pre-requistits most of the subsequent skills are easier to access. 3. Chances are that when posts like these pop up they're not for the best of the community at all. Involving the CPM directly has always produce the most negative results because you guys would try to box us into a corner or force us to say things that are simply hurtful to everyone on the entire spectrum. The better advice is to read, watch and listen and relay concerns. 4. We're busy with other topics I cannot discuss yet or probably never. All this stuff here you're all complaining about was last weeks' issues most of the predictions came true-ish. 5. Chances are you'd wind up with a CPM that would not be that helpful to anyone but themselves or think they need to tackle every single possible balance design issue when there are far more things that need discussion. I only been at this officially for a week and its already quite a bit of work right now especially with you guys complaining about stuff. 1) wording is very clear on merc packs differentiating between "on reset" and "on commercial release", why have you done nothing to address this with CCP? 2) you're supporting the ******** SP sinks just because you get a gimped proto version a little earlier, yet what we have now is better than what we'll get in a few days with 5+m SP investment? how is this okay? 3) this post is to call attention to the CPM to do your jobs; reverberate what the community wants, get answers from CCP, make yourself a champion of the people. You're just sitting on your hands. 4&5) if the predictions came true, and you got the shitstorm you were expecting, why weren't there adjustments made to avoid this? i'm sure you're working on a bunch of super top secret stuff (lol) but if you predict a huge backlash, maybe you should try altering your course before running over everyone's toes?
2. Stop putting words into my mouth, I am currently researching the changes and if you cannot understand that then I cannot find your complaints or concerns worth making valuable. The base suits for the most part are competitive against your current suits today, and the base suits are more than capable of kicking the crap out of the specialists of same meta. For example the gallente logi basic only has 2 low slow (0 highs, no sidearm) compared to medium frame having 3-4 slots on basic with a side arm. Additionally nobody is forcing you into those newer suits, they're much more end game content, its like HAV pilots mostly deciding they rather stick to using the regular HAVs instead of the muraders (and soon enforcers which overall looks like a shoddy class)
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